UA Mystery thread 4 - The Canonn

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Great work on this Cmdr o7. The obvious question is have the convoys started up again after not being in the game in 1.4 or were they always there and we just missed them? Two convoys in less than a day does seem like a higher incidence than previously, but it's not a lot of data so it's hard to be certain.

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In 1.3 free floating UAs were found in systems closer to the Pleiades (within about 100 Ly). So they appear to have moved outward in the space of a couple of months. So if they are moving through space rather than just appearing then they seem to be moving at superluminal speeds. The shell didn't change in Horizons though so there is currently no evidence that they are continuing to move/expand.


maybe the range from Merope is increasing... like in the first page is stated that conoys spawned between 135-150 ly from merope, today we were ate 260 Ly...
 
In 1.3 free floating UAs were found in systems closer to the Pleiades (within about 100 Ly). So they appear to have moved outward in the space of a couple of months. So if they are moving through space rather than just appearing then they seem to be moving at superluminal speeds. The shell didn't change in Horizons though so there is currently no evidence that they are continuing to move/expand.

I suppose that the calculations have been made before, but anyway...

If we assume that UAs begun to move since version 1.2 from Merope, their speed should be 260 times higher than the Speed of light (or 77842779094,26 m/s).

Math
V=S/T

T
ver1,2 -10 march / ver1,4 - 6 october
211 days
5064 hours
303840 min
18230400 sec

S
1 ly = 9.4607 × 10^12 km
150 ly =1419.105 × 10^12 km
1,419105e15 km
1,419105e18 m

V
280234004739,9 km/h
77842779094,26 m/s
260 × Speed of light
(Speed of light - 299792458 m/s)

I was just curious how fast they were moving.
 
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I uploaded them, it seemed more useful. Good luck there! I'm really sure it's possible to find and in a couple days I'll rejoin you but I haven't flown my FDL since 2.0 and I need to blow things up a bit...

Some of those pictures weren't taken in the perfect angle so you have to tilt your head a bit if you want to see the correct picture :D Anyway, the point is to see how the picture changes while moving, I think all the system names are there so you can trace the movement.

Oh yes! All names starting with col are followed by "sector" but that's not labeled on most of it. These pictures were made for myself as memo, if you cannot find a system just type "col sector" in front of the designator, but I guess you figured it out already. Just to make sure.

Checking back to source the original starmap picture, originally to check aspect ratio, checked the original video and that picture of stars comes from a frame that has nothing to do with the barnacles but from about the fourth scene in the trailer of a red cobra swooping down to a large planetary base.

Maybe I missed all that way back in the thread which would a good reason people aren't chasing this.

Doesn't mean there aren't barnacles on the planet with that base, but does mean if we chase the starmap we're hunting for that base in inhabited space which may or may not have anything to do with anything.

Think this isn't a red herring but a dead herring.

Oh well,,,
 
maybe the range from Merope is increasing... like in the first page is stated that conoys spawned between 135-150 ly from merope, today we were ate 260 Ly...

Convoys have never been found near Merope, as far as I know. The convoys were always found in the bubble. So they've always been 200-300 Ly from Merope.

Free floating UAs were found in SSS in systems within about 100 Ly of Merope in 1.3 and in systems that are 135-150 Ly from Merope in 1.4 and Horizons.

The shell is were UAs come from; the convoys are NPCs transporting them around.
 
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No one owns the UA mystery and no one owns this thread and no one has claimed otherwise. All are welcome here. But it's not a hippy commune either; people will disagree with theories and ideas and they will say so, and as with any group conversation that can result in a pile-on. So if you really have pages of "concerned" people PMing you but unwilling to join the discussion here then why don't you go and start another thread so that all those people have a place to contribute?

I simply don't have the energy or the time so that's why I come here time to time (when I feel like it) to pitch in my own sauce. Also using this forum as a medium for research is not always objectively good in my book but again that's just my own opinion.
 
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MMM, according to your list Weyn Dock, Korolyov Hub & Carter Port have no Black Market at which UAs could have been sold (if I'm reading your table correctly), which would disagree with the theory that UAs (either sold by players or NPCs) are the cause of the station malfunctions - how could they have been "infected" by UA deliveries? Are you saying that these 3 stations had BM that were closed down? (my memory is bad!)


It is just an 1+1=3 assume for me. Those three are big stations and when I look the System map after checking Trade Dangerous, the list of facilities are very short all three of them (Only commonities and shipyard) I can't recheck that just right now. There's of course rare Coriolis stations with no refuel, rearm, etc. common station functions. I assume that facilities list are short because "UA-contamination" of the station. And assume that all three stations has black market before infection. The three with no black market are also those where functions has suspended.
 
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Checking back to source the original starmap picture, originally to check aspect ratio, checked the original video and that picture of stars comes from a frame that has nothing to do with the barnacles but from about the fourth scene in the trailer of a red cobra swooping down to a large planetary base.

Maybe I missed all that way back in the thread which would a good reason people aren't chasing this.

Doesn't mean there aren't barnacles on the planet with that base, but does mean if we chase the starmap we're hunting for that base in inhabited space which may or may not have anything to do with anything.

Think this isn't a red herring but a dead herring.

Oh well,,,

I think Cmdrs PanPiper & Paraszt are working on the assumption that the Horizons release trailer is all set in a single system/region of space. There is no evidence for that assumption, but none against it. There are, as far as I can see, absolutely no positional identification clues in the 2 second clip of the barnacles. It may be a reasonable assumption that FD put that clip in the sequence for us to go out & find, & therefore it is probably in the same or nearby position as the preceding clips so that we have some idea where to look. I think it would be absolutely unreasonable of FD if they had just pasted in the barnacle clip from a totally different & unrelated spatial location; they may not be very communicative with clues, & there may be some programming bugs that could mislead us, but I think they are totally straight with us wrt the storyline... So I suspect the barnacles may not be on the same planet as that surface port, but in that case they are on a different moon in the same system or a very close system.

Happy New Year to everyone at Frontier, & mine's a Lavian Brandy! :rolleyes:
 
It is just an 1+1=3 assume for me. Those three are big stations and when I look the System map after checking Trade Dangerous, the list of facilities are very short all three of them (Only commonities and shipyard) I can't recheck that just right now. There's of course rare Coriolis stations with no refuel, rearm, etc. common station functions. I assume that facilities list are short because "UA-contamination" of the station. And assume that all three stations has black market before infection. The three with no black market are also those where functions has suspended.

The presence of a Black Market is key to the hypothesis that station malfunctions/closures are due to some form of infection from UAs, because UAs can only be delivered to stations with a BM, & many players have spent many hours shipping UAs to stations to check this. So either:
1) Your assumption/data is incorrect
2) These 3 stations did have a BM but it has been removed since the infection occurred -I seem to remember from PowerPlay that one of the Powers is strict on law & closes down BM on stations they expand to, so have these 3 stations been taken over by a different power recently?
3) These 3 stations never had a BM, so station malfunctions/closures are NOT RELATED TO UAs & there is some other mechanism in the game

Somehow this needs to be checked out. Do we know which BMs were closed down by the relevant Power?
 
I've been based at Weyn Dock for a couple of months so it is nice and green for me - it had a thriving BM before shutting down. I even sold a UA there.
 
I've been based at Weyn Dock for a couple of months so it is nice and green for me - it had a thriving BM before shutting down. I even sold a UA there.

Thanks Cmdr!
Will for the moment assume the same applies to the other two stations so
UA infecting stations theory appears still to be valid.
 
Right then since the pallin base seems to be completed ! So we should expect the story to move on so we can continue the research I'm currently traveling to VY CANIS MAJORIS and Orion Nebula to do some exploration there ... And also to try and reach elite in exploration and maybe find clues about meta alloys ;) ( I know I won't find anything but still ... )
 
Did you happen to keep a log of which shell systems didn't spawn UAs? I'd like to keep track of that sort of negative results in the UA spreadsheet as well as it is important IMO. Also helpful to know how long was spent in that sort of system to get an indication of how reliable the result is.

Spreadsheet is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nbAAtymsXCJib_plQtbjGPkVqlr3VuJxEE95N2n6Phs/edit?usp=sharing

I've got a log of the systems that didn't spawn UA's on my PC at home, but am on holiday at the moment. I'll update the database with these non spawning systems when I'm back home in a few days.
 
Hello. Maybe someone can lend me a hand.

I have the meta-alloys mission active, with 4 days expiration timer. On the search for possible star candidates where I could find the barnacles/meta-alloys, I headed out towards Orion, as I have a good feeling about the area as it has a special connection with the Pleiades, specifically to Merope, in greek mythology.

The star I'm trying to reach is Epsilon Orionis, also well known as Alnilam. It's the middle star in the Orion's belt, and is a blue super giant with a black hole as well. It is one of the brightest stars in our sky, and it has served as anchor point to classify most of the other stars in our sky.

Approaching the system, I have found myself stuck on trying to reach it. I'm about 160ly away from the star, and can't find any approach vector to reach it. It seems to be inside a hole without stars. I'm in an Asp capable of doing 31.27ly jumps, but I'm seeing that to reach the star I need to perform several jumps of 40 to 50ly's. I'm going to need quite a bit of FSD injections to reach it. And even if I do, I'll have the problem of getting back out. At the moment I don't have enough materials for even a basic injection, and I'm having trouble finding the needed materials. I already had to backtrack a bit to find a system with planets, but I'm finding only ice rocks. If anybody can give me a hint on how to or where to find the needed materials, that would be great.

Also, if anybody in an Anaconda happens to be nearby, maybe they can reach it. I find this star fulfills all the needed criteria for barnacles: blue super giant, important star, right quadrant, and connection to the Pleiades in mythology. But most suspicious for me is the fact that the star is so difficult to reach... You can't get to this star by chance, you have to be trying to reach it on purpose to get to it...

So if anybody can help me, or someone want's to try... I'm going to keep looking for materials for the FSD injector, but I'm a bit worried that even if I manage to reach it, that I might not be able to come back at all...



Oh... And a happy new year to all!!!


[EDIT]: Link to Alnilam in Wikipedia
 
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