Is Elite Dangerous a Dad's Game Played mainly by "non-gamers"?

On a totally different note: Event Horizon is AWESOME.
And yes, watching it as we speak.

It's one of those films that I want to like, but just missed the mark a bit. Visually it is lush and atmospheric. The ships and technology look credible, the Event Horizons like a gothic haunted mansion in space. The characters are quote engaging, but not really quite developed enough like you get in e.g. ALIEN. The story builds up well but then pulls out the old horror clichés and loses it (the scenes that were cut were deemed too gory, but I found them merely too cheesy --like rejects from Hellraiser-- and I think removing them improved the film).

Moreover the plot made no sense while --with a small twist-- it could have been so much more consistent.

The idea is that the Event Horizons' experimental jump drive accidentally transports the ship to Hell, where Bad Things happen to the crew, and then comes back, becoming a portal to Hell. As such Bad Things happen to the rescue mission. The film basically can't decide whether it's science fiction or horror. How could it have solved this? Let's say the experimental jump drive works by creating a wormhole through a fourth dimension. Unfortunately, it unintentionally punches a hole in the fifth dimension of probability, hence blurring the boundaries between our reality and our imaginings, causing our most dark and repressed human fears and drives to become real (hommage to Forbidden Planet, right there). Or perhaps it accidentally punched a hole into a Lovecraftian dungeon dimension, a parallel universe utterly alien to ours, cold and dark and filled with eldritch gibbering horrors that are attracted to our brilliant pinpoint lights of consciousness like insects to a light bulb... Both these explanations would be plausible in the film and consistent with its scifi universe. And frankly make a more compelling story.
 
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In what way, compared to FO4?
And this is a genuine serious question...

I've died many more times in fallout than I have in Elite. Not saying Elite is not challanging probably more to do with the fact i was silly enough to go into the witchcraft museum in fallout without decent weapons!
 
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OK, at this point I feel compelled to point out that Dad is the hardcore gamer. We played the first Pong console. We played the first Battlezone, the first Pacman, the first Star Wars (the one you could sit in). We played on the first Atari 2600 game consoles and all the subsequent classic games consoles: the Intellivision, the Colecovision, the Sega Megadrive, the Nintendo. We've played on machines you have never even heard of. We've played classics you don't even know about.

We assembled the first Apple I's in our shed, copied lines of code from a games mag into our VIC20. We played Manic Miner and Ant Attack on the Spectrum, Impossible Mission and Encounter on the C64, and Mercenary and yes, ELITE on the BBC Micro. We played games on the Atari ST and Amiga, and we were responsible for the PC becoming a games machine rather than an office tool.

Just like all the classic rock, prog and pop music worth playing was discovered by us, played by us and shaped by us, we pretty much made computer games history. Non-gamers? We're the gamers, sonny. The wellspring. The originals. The founders. So a bit more respect for your dads.

Oh yes been to some of those (never had a Spectrum though) but going to give the Atari Jaguars (R.I.P) Tempest 2000 a shout out as a classic, played my thumbs off with that one:).

Then there's Doom and all it's followers up until the point were FPS became so scripted and hand holding for the benefit of the non Dad gamers I kind of lost interest in my favourite genre:):):):):).

I still have no idea what a dads game is though unless it's us saying to the youngsters "leave that game alone it's mine" (good luck with that:)).
 
I've died many more times in fallout than I have in Elite. Not saying Elite is not challanging probably more to do with the fact i was silly enough to go into the witchcraft museum in fallout without decent weapons!

Yeah, but only at higher difficulty levels. Which is basically Bethesda saying "Alright, this 60-year old NPC living in the wasteland can now take ten headshots from a shotgun at point blank without blinking his eyes." At normal difficulty its quite casual I'd say.
 
In what way, compared to FO4?
And this is a genuine serious question...

The whole quote was 'Elite: Dangerous is a far more challenging game although a good deal of that is unintentional'

Fallout 4 holds your hand far too much. Even in survival mode (where the difficulty is reduced to how many bullets you can pump into an enemy) the game lavishes loot and gear at every turn. Like so many of todays games the difficulty comes in those first few hours and then it just gets easier and easier.

Elite: Dangerous on the other hand refuses to hold your hand and goes out of its way to obfuscate obvious information. There is no game logic to be had and that makes the game very hard to gauge at times.

I have no issue with hard games but feel there should be an underpinning of predictability to the game so the player can formulate strategy and tactics.
In some respects I feel the limited structure of the original Elites trading system stands head and shoulders above the mess of a 'realistic economy' in E: D.

oh, and loving the conversation some of the posters are having about roleplaying games :)
I should make a signature post that makes clear I really appreciate the Devs attempts to make a game of such scale.
 
I've died many more times in fallout...
My FO is played in this way: I start up game, play, if i die, make new character (I believe in perma death), if I still live at the end of my session, I save and can go from there on next session.
Sadly, games can crash on you (for various reasons, mods are one of them, and a major reason of my crashes. I use gazillions of mods XD).
Also the first several levels begin to be so boring, that I made a start save in place X, I then use console to revamp my character, and move from there.
Forgot to say, i always use hardest modi in games, and when available: Hardcore.
 
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Oh yes been to some of those (never had a Spectrum though) but going to give the Atari Jaguars (R.I.P) Tempest 2000 a shout out as a classic, played my thumbs off with that one:).

If you have a PS Vita - have a look at TxK - I think you'd love it.

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To op are you serious? Surely this is troll bait. Dad gamer,gamer game what the hell are you on about and yes I read your whole post makes no sense at all to me

What category would I be in? I'm almost 60 and played literally thousands of games of all types , if your post is serious then I find it very insulting
 
This is just a general categorization of gamers into their respective niches.


The Casual Gamer


The Casual Gamer is one who occasionally plays games, but does not invest much time into them. These players usually limit themselves to shooters or platform games like Halo, COD, or Super Mario. They usually only play with family or friends that are actually in the same house as them, but may also join them on XBL or PSN.


The Hardcore Gamer


The Hardcore Gamer sees games as more than just a hobby, they see them as a lifestyle. The Hardcore Gamer will invest hours on hours with games, and they usually play many kinds of games, including, but not limited to: RPGs, FPSs, RTSs, Platformers, and Side-scrolling shooters.


The Competitive Gamer


The Competitive Gamer sees games as a sport. They play to win, and are not satisfied unless they do so. Competitive Gamers are most commonly found in FPS games, but are also fairly common in Fighting games. MLG commonly causes gamers to travel down the path of Competitive Gaming.
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Sub Genres:


The MMO Gamer


Spend hours upon hours playing 1 game and 1 game only.


World of Warcraft.


The Music Gamer


Plays Guitar Hero, Rock Band, or DJ Hero non-stop.


Poor souls...


The Troll Gamer


While most gamer's entertainment derives from the game itself, The Troll Gamer gets all of his/her enjoyment from ruining the game for everyone else. Will usually call your mother a :):):):):) just after team-killing you.
 
The Music Gamer


Plays Guitar Hero, Rock Band, or DJ Hero non-stop.


Poor souls...

Seeing as you didn't step up to my last challenge, I challenge you to be a Music Gamer and gain mastery of, oh I dunno, Knights of Cydonia by Muse in Rocksmith 2014

On guitar and bass :D
 
This is just a general categorization of gamers into their respective niches.


The Casual Gamer


The Casual Gamer is one who occasionally plays games, but does not invest much time into them. These players usually limit themselves to shooters or platform games like Halo, COD, or Super Mario. They usually only play with family or friends that are actually in the same house as them, but may also join them on XBL or PSN.


The Hardcore Gamer


The Hardcore Gamer sees games as more than just a hobby, they see them as a lifestyle. The Hardcore Gamer will invest hours on hours with games, and they usually play many kinds of games, including, but not limited to: RPGs, FPSs, RTSs, Platformers, and Side-scrolling shooters.


The Competitive Gamer


The Competitive Gamer sees games as a sport. They play to win, and are not satisfied unless they do so. Competitive Gamers are most commonly found in FPS games, but are also fairly common in Fighting games. MLG commonly causes gamers to travel down the path of Competitive Gaming.
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Sub Genres:


The MMO Gamer


Spend hours upon hours playing 1 game and 1 game only.
A bit of all above.
Sometimes mixed into potpourri.

World of Warcraft. BWAAAAAAAH. No thank you. :p

At any rate, going to do a reformat...
Just for the heck of it.
Laters all, Godspeed.
 
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Sorry not going to wade through all 36 pages so if this has been said before I apologise ;)

Not sure 'Fallout 4' has any place on a list of gamergames. It's an enjoyable distraction but nothing about it is challenging (except maybe the loading times between areas).

Elite: Dangerous is a far more challenging game although a good deal of that is unintentional (although more illumination is cast on the game by fans and 3rd party assets such as guides, you tube clips and databases every day).
With regards to game design I would say E: D is awful, although I applaud the intention of the developers and the progress they have made.
It is still an enjoyable way to spend an hour or two of an evening, and I look forward to see how it develops.

Difficulty is not the only thing that seperates "gamer games" from other games.

Personally I would say any game which entices people to spend hundreds of hours exploring the game rather than just rushing through the storyline then only ever playing it again in multiplayer (like CoD style shooters) could also be classified as a "gamer game". As could any game which is still good when played through a second, third or fourth time.

I haven't played 4 yet, but Fallout 3 and New Vegas both fit both of those criteria, and everything I've heard suggests 4 is the same.
 
This is just a general categorization of gamers into their respective niches.


The Casual Gamer


The Casual Gamer is one who occasionally plays games, but does not invest much time into them. These players usually limit themselves to shooters or platform games like Halo, COD, or Super Mario. They usually only play with family or friends that are actually in the same house as them, but may also join them on XBL or PSN.


The Hardcore Gamer


The Hardcore Gamer sees games as more than just a hobby, they see them as a lifestyle. The Hardcore Gamer will invest hours on hours with games, and they usually play many kinds of games, including, but not limited to: RPGs, FPSs, RTSs, Platformers, and Side-scrolling shooters.


The Competitive Gamer


The Competitive Gamer sees games as a sport. They play to win, and are not satisfied unless they do so. Competitive Gamers are most commonly found in FPS games, but are also fairly common in Fighting games. MLG commonly causes gamers to travel down the path of Competitive Gaming.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Sub Genres:


The MMO Gamer


Spend hours upon hours playing 1 game and 1 game only.


World of Warcraft.


The Music Gamer


Plays Guitar Hero, Rock Band, or DJ Hero non-stop.


Poor souls...


The Troll Gamer


While most gamer's entertainment derives from the game itself, The Troll Gamer gets all of his/her enjoyment from ruining the game for everyone else. Will usually call your mother a :):):):):) just after team-killing you.

LOL. what about those of us that don't fit into any of those categories?

Categorization is futile.
 
Difficulty is not the only thing that seperates "gamer games" from other games.

Personally I would say any game which entices people to spend hundreds of hours exploring the game rather than just rushing through the storyline then only ever playing it again in multiplayer (like CoD style shooters) could also be classified as a "gamer game". As could any game which is still good when played through a second, third or fourth time.

I haven't played 4 yet, but Fallout 3 and New Vegas both fit both of those criteria, and everything I've heard suggests 4 is the same.

While I find the OPs initial post a little disparaging with its distinction between 'Dad's Games' and 'Gamer Games' I have to agree with a basic distinction on challenging games that require a player to develop a skillset and those that just require the ability to breathe and sit in front of a keyboard. FO4 is of the later. Don't get me wrong it's a moderately enjoyable way to spend some time but there is no challenge to it unless the player decides to artificially handicap themselves. This seems to be a growing trend in game design, catering to the widest market possible.

No, I'm not an elitist twitch based gamer I just like games to present a challenge that I need to work out... that amounts to more than 'press the mouse button quicker'.
 
I dunno about that.. Categorization can be very useful:

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[video=youtube;1drDuaQXm_U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1drDuaQXm_U[/video]

Honestly, watching those I realize this isn't a "Dad's game" kind of debate. This is an Explorer/Socializer vs Killer/Achiever debate. ;)
 
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I'm 33 years old and been an avid gamer for as long as I can remember. After getting ED almost 6 months ago I have not really been able to play other games.. I have tried.. I really have. Why just last month I spent another $60 on a game for my poor neglected PS4, and can't seem to pull myself away from ED long enough to play it. Never played any of the other Elite games before this one... I do however sometimes play Dead Effect on my iPad Air with a Moga Rebel controller in order to spend some evening time out of my man cave... You know.. Family time.. My girlfriend appreciates it ;). The last time I spent close to this much time on any one game was multiplayer Killzone 2.. Top 1/3 of the top %1 on the leader boards for that one back then. I also used to enjoy survival horror in between my blast'em up games... I really enjoy both the combat in ED, as well as the fact it inspires my sence of wonder while on long exploration adventures.. Now if they incorporate both FPS game play intertwined with some deeply horrifying survival horror, I'm pretty sure any part of me that still wants to play another game will die peacefully.
 
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