Plastic bags are randomly thrown away and permanently end up in the ocean.
UAs, Barnacles & More Thread 5 - The Canonn
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Plastic bags are randomly thrown away and permanently end up in the ocean.
That's what I see when I stare at the 'dark side' for long enough.
There you go. It's not all about computer code. I fully expect FD to physically deliver a barnacle to my door one day.
https://community.elitedangerous.com/node/327
Read Carefully.
Especially this part "There are points of interest that don’t neatly fit into those two groupings, but we can leave them for you to discover for yourselves
"Cheers.
People didn't know I've put 2x C3 gimballed pulse lasers on my Clipper for DW because I never published a ship build with them.
Yes, that's me quietly announcing that I'm going armed on 'Distant Worlds'.
I'll be going ahead of the main group for DW prospecting planets for jumponium materials. This will inevitably include nebulae along the way, so I'll still keep an eye open for Large Barnacles, even on the other side of the galaxy.
These two posts correlate with the SPR systems I found in the Crescent Nebula last January. When I got there, they were locked. After I'd left they were later unlocked, and this was during January 3301.
Once you're beyond approximately 1000ly from the bubble, the NPCs and things that shoot at you tend to disappear from the surface contacts. It's Nav beacons, broken ships, broken SRVs and occasional cargo caches and not much variation either.
I don't know about heavier elements being formed in the nebula. The nebula is either a cloud of light elements (H, He, C, O etc) that will coalesce into stars and planetary systems, or they are remnants from novae/supernovae and already seeded with the heavier elements from the death of the star.
The metallicity of a star is a measure of how many generations of stars have gone into making it. The metallicity of the Sun would seem to indicate that there have been 3-5 "generations" of stars that created the heavy elements that the Solar System is created from based on the ratio of Iron to Hydrogen inside the Sun.
Don't you mean Pareidolia?
Sorry Riz, but isn't that what pretty much the entire ED galaxy is? Lots of procedurally generated content that gets randomly generated, but every time it gets generated things pop up in the same place because they are always using the same seed.
Rizal, you know better. 99.9% of the ED galaxy is procedurally generated. In the procedural generation there are pseudo random numbers that places objects in a location that is random, but precistent.
This is how bases and planet ports are placed in most cases. The rest are hand placed.
I don't know, but I think it is probable that wreks and large barnacles uses the same mechanics.
From what I have read, there are other barnacle things (not large). These probably spawn in blue POI.
I really, REALLY hope that FD is not underestimating how hard these are to find when you factor in the realities of the game systems. What I mean is buildings dont "spawn" into existence until you get very close to them. After they spawn you can see them from a pretty good distance, but you literally have to be almost on top of them to get them to spawn. If barnacles work the same way... *sigh*
I just had an experience where I was flying about 1 km or so above the surface looking carefully for barnacles. All of the sudden I see 2 of the white contacts appear on my ship's radar just under and a couple hundred meters behind me. I do a 180 and there is on of those small bases with lighting and a couple of containers. I literally flew DIRECTLY over it at 1km altitude or less. There is absolutely NO WAY it had "spawned in" in front of me and I just missed seeing it. It was one of those things where it only "loaded in" after I had already passed it. If this kind of thing is also happening with barnacles, then... I dont even know. I would probably rage-quit the game right there.
With these kind of technical issues in mind, it would be great if MB could give us some tips on how we could go about searching while flying in the ship. I'm not saying he should tell us WHERE to search, but rather HOW. For example "I recommend you travel in the range of X-Y altitude at no more than Z meters per second to be more certain you aren't going to miss one because of technical issues like load-in times or draw distances or whatever."
YES! EXACTLY! You can spot lit installations/buildings from some 3-4km up, even higher it seems.. HOWEVER like you say, the buildings spawn once you are effectively ON TOP of them, then persist and can be seen for a good distance until one flies beyond some designated range. I can't say how many times I flew over the blue dot POI to see absolutely nothing.. to then tip my ship nose down to see the darn thing instantly appear right below me. Another important factor is a given structure is not necessarily dead center in the POI, it can be offset quite a bit. So the blue POI's are not a bullseye. Its a 'hey something is in this wider area... now look for it'.
Due to how the structures pop into existence, it makes it even more difficult to ensure a search is proper and thorough. In the usual flight simulator, structures just exist on the ground. You can see them in the distance as you approach. If the environment only appeared below you after you fly by, then that isn't much of a simulator.. this is quite a fault in the POI generator and how the game renders them.
https://community.elitedangerous.com/node/327
Read Carefully.
Especially this part "There are points of interest that don’t neatly fit into those two groupings, but we can leave them for you to discover for yourselves
Cheers.
Do all POIs appear as a blue circle via our in ship radar?
Procedurally generated =! Randomly generated
If you seed the PG algorithm with the same seed, it'll generate the same thing the same way every time. If you use a random seed, it'll be a random result.
The difference between the RNG and the Fixed PG content is the seeds. One has fixed seeds one has random.
https://community.elitedangerous.com/node/327
Read Carefully.
Especially this part "There are points of interest that don’t neatly fit into those two groupings, but we can leave them for you to discover for yourselves
Cheers.
Ok, he seems quite clear on this. Thanks for your patience, you are doing a massive job.
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Even though I've replied to Rizal in disagreement with his statement about random placing, that's not a great analogy. The ocean is a very large place.
Otherwise you may as well be saying: "Barnacles are randomly placed by FD and permanently end up in the galaxy".
I have a simple and direct question for Mr. Brookes:
Putting the fact about the nebulae and manually placed barnacles aside, is this pure RNG grind (regardless the body/system/star class type, temperature, etc.) or not? I know that the answer could discourage many CMDRs in here, but I think that this is very important to know. If yes then we can throw all our scientific theories out of the window. If the answer is "no" (and I myself very hope so), let the brainstorming continue .
Putting the fact about the nebulae and manually placed barnacles aside, is this pure RNG grind (regardless the body/system/star class type, temperature, etc.) or not? I know that the answer could discourage many CMDRs in here, but I think that this is very important to know. If yes then we can throw all our scientific theories out of the window
. If the answer is "no" (and I myself very hope so), let the brainstorming continue .That was my bad english: I just meant that if it is fixed it's not RNG. And we have both of them.
I was not denying what you're saying, obviously
What I mean is that the Nebulae are already the "possible fixed location", the condition, where RNG Barnacles spawn, being the rest of the Galaxy the place where they do not spawn.
Imagine if MB did not hinted us the Pleiades Nebula: we should have found the nebula first, and then the other condition inside it where the RNG will take place?
God...
Perhaps, but the first placement is random, then it just gets repeated every time. I program a bit too and use random generation a lot to do things like place trees in a 3D environment. If I'm not happy with the results I'll change the seed until I get something I like, then I'll leave it constant. So it's random in the sense that I don't know what I'm going to get the first time I run it with each different seed.
But I'm starting to feel like we are entering into pure semantics at this point, so I'll gladly yield. We have better things to discuss
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I know that. What I'm debating is that there is ANOTHER condition inside the Pleiades Nebula for the RNG barnacles to spawn.
With what we know now, the only condition is being in a Nebula. That's all. If there should be another condition, being already inside a Nebula, imagine how difficult.
Imagine if MB did not hint us the Nebulae and then the Pleiades One.
I'm just sticking with what we know because MB said it: until now the condition is The Nebula. For what we know, the Barnacles could spawn in every planet of every system inside the Nebula. Like the Convoys, remember?
We cannot rule out ANY planet for now, be it Icy, Rocky, Metal or whatever.
The Rocky have the mist, the Icy the steep Canyons, The Metals the metal, and so on.
The rest is speculation.
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Perhaps, but the first placement is random, then it just gets repeated every time. I program a bit too and use random generation a lot to do things like place trees in a 3D environment. If I'm not happy with the results I'll change the seed until I get something I like, then I'll leave it constant. So it's random in the sense that I don't know what I'm going to get the first time I run it.
But I'm starting to feel like we are entering into pure semantics at this point, so I'll gladly yield. We have better things to discuss
It's exactly as you say, they use a randomly generated seed and keep it if it works for them. This is the case for the fixed stuff, other than the handcrafted parts like the Sol system.
Heh! Now there's a nostalgic moment.
Also the hunt for Large Barnacles is like trying to find the Black Fortress from Krull. Every morning, it magically transports to somewhere else on the planet.
To find the Large Barnacles, we need some Fire Mares!
Perhaps, but the first placement is random, then it just gets repeated every time. I program a bit too and use random generation a lot to do things like place trees in a 3D environment. If I'm not happy with the results I'll change the seed until I get something I like, then I'll leave it constant. So it's random in the sense that I don't know what I'm going to get the first time I run it with each different seed.
But I'm starting to feel like we are entering into pure semantics at this point, so I'll gladly yield. We have better things to discuss
The first and all other subsequent "placements" are not random. They are governed by the algorithm, and always produce the same result with the same seed.
I think
The seed could be a phone number or whatever.
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