UAs, Barnacles & More Thread 5 - The Canonn

[Pazmino]

You know i'll screen this post, right ?





Well again, just quoting this commander ^^




Don't you remember what federation logo is?

Not sure what you want to say, but I assume you want to state that it is likely that they had taken a picture of their system from a few 100-1000ly away and thought "Wow, that looks so cool let's take this as our new logo"? Possible & I'm not against this thought. it goes along with this (quoting myself since I don't get your comment.)
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Looks like Barnard's Loop. But that would be too easy, or?
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It like to see it to be Trifid Nebula - just for similarity of the name to these plants

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I posted an image of the logo & similarity to Bernard's Loop earlier on. But as another CMDR pointed out the bottom part is missing. I looked at the loop from different angle within the map, and with some imagination, WitchHead Nebula and maybe other nebulas e.g. Running Man (?) could fill in. I.e. the logo described a whole region aka empire?

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A 2^nd thought was to inverse the logo, so the C shape is actually Barnard's Loop. Rotate the right image by 180deg.

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True.
& yes, Barnard's Loop is massive.
I searched for spherical nebulas and came across Abell 7. Its approximately 1800 light years away. Next to Orion.

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Does anyone have advice for people searching Barnard's Loop for barnacles? I saw the speculation and took a trip out there to scout around. Here are a few things about the area:

• Do with think B-Type stars are somehow preferred, or does star type not matter?
• There are only a handful of B-type stars touching the nebula graphic so I'm wondering if the graphic is accurate or if there a proximity from the graphic on the galaxy map that counts as 'being in the nebula'?
• There are a bunch of B-Type just outside the edge of the nebula.
• Do we think that there is a certain planet composition to the placement, or a certain topology that the barnacles may be in?
• For instance, might there be a preference for mineral deposits, 100% metal worlds, or craters?
• Does distance from parent star matter?

There is a big cluster of stars towards the loop. You can't miss it. Not on the helm so can't send you a picture, and can't recall it's name ...
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However, I said earlier that Barnard's loop is massive in size. And the logo found on the BAs could points towards another nebula.
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i'd like to think that the logo looks like the sky from their point of view. So when they look up, and flatten it to a 2D view from the top, they see a big nebula to the to the right and the smaller ones to the left. i.e. instead of trying to align the viewpoint towards Baranrd's loop that the other nebulas match, as I tried to to earlier on, I think it would be a good idea to pick a system in the center of the three nebulas larger next to next to B's loop and look from different angles to reproduce the logo. Just a thought and maybe I overthink this, but that is how I would represent my home system. How did Voyager represents did it again on the disc? Or a bit flawed, but the Nebra disk?

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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Nebra_Scheibe.jpg

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In my mind it would be too easy as a hint by to drop such a massive breadcrumb aka bread after all the challenge in the past finding the UA and BA. I don't think FD is that cheap (no offense here, mods!). Only if they want to get things rolling asap.
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On a different note, has the Meta alloy description in the market place changed. e.g. Found in Pleiades Nebula. Or the import from info (don't know if its not bought and sold from a station if this will be the case, most likely not)?

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Different race - I had the thought too. Weapon, not convinced since UAs are corrosive but don't do any real damage or do attack (us).

 

[Brimstone]

Hey, when I was a kid I loved the clangers. I even pressured my mom into buying the "official" pattern so she could make a plush one when I was 5.

HAHA oops I looked at the other definition of 'clanger'

 

[Marcns007]

Word of advise. Serious cowards in Merope. Pretend to be all friendly then shoot your ship while you're in your SRV.

2 guys shooting a little viper. lol. so brave.

Can you remind me why we should name and shame ? They specifically did this to ruin my experience. I have the video. It's their purpose, they plan it, and they enjoy it. They specifically mentionned how it was fun to destroy the ship and how it must suck to come such a long way to be stranded..

Not that I give a but it was so obvious griefing.

I mean, I just really don't understand the reason why self proclaimed grifers are not met with any kind of side effect ? I mean, we can't even name them ? Why ??

CMDR J.S. killed me - I have re-created it on a planet and you need to send your ship away and hide in the buggy after 15 sec quit to solo.

 

[rizal72]

We need Riz@l to run his magic on some audio files!

Well, as I already pointed on the Frontpage, there is no morse in the Barnacle's audio.

But the Purrs are exactly the same sound of a free floater UA, and I liked very much bitstorm analysis here:

Well folks here we go again?

Give it a listen.

Soundcloud : https://soundcloud.com/bitstorm-1/merope-5c-large-barnacle-20

This is the Merope 5C barnacle audio at 20x.

Here is the original 12 minute version if anyone wants to play with it : https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8ck-2ELKOuLeEZjb3VzdXNqTkk

The purrs are perfectly regular, and they high/low.

Do we have another code?

I am transcribing this as : 0110110101011010011011001010100101010

It looks like it's a very similar pattern to the UA, in that there's never any triple repeat (we never figure out why).

We never decoded the UA purrs. And well it seems whatever pattern the UA is using, the barnacle in principle does the same.

it could be meaningless, I think we hit a dead end and felt that was the conclusion with the UA, but well maybe it's not. =p

Right now his thoughts are my thoughts.

 

[bitstorm]

Don't you remember what federation logo is?

But it's hardly comparable.

An image of a country clearly indicates someone being of that nation.

An image of the solar system clearly represents humanity, (and everything else under Sol).

But the image of a whole galaxy?

As you scale up the image become less and less representative of an identity since it includes not just you. At the galaxy level the sense of it representing a single species is totally lost.

 

[Brimstone]

CMDR killed me - I have re-created it on a planet and you need to send your ship away and hide in the buggy after 15 sec quit to solo.

If someone attacks you and you log out, even after the 15 second timer, that's cutting it quite close to 'combat logging'

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=105778

 

[yoda711]

i'm at Pleione 11A, at the listed coordinates (0.8185, 176.5622), no sign of any barnacle in open, solo, or mobius. I put my ship down at exactly those coordinates. Verified the terrain was the same as in the picture posted with it. No joy.

 

[Nydo_Horth]

Not sure what you want to say, but I assume you want to state that it is likely that they had taken a picture of their system from a few 100-1000ly away and thought "Wow, that looks so cool let's take this as our new logo"? Possible & I'm not against this thought. it goes along with this (quoting myself since I don't get your comment.)
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I was just saying that i don't know why someone wouldn't take their galaxy / system / nebulae as a logo, since in SF we did it a lot, even in the game look at the federation's logo : our solar system.
Quoting someone earlier with a show exemple.

Imagine humanity finally unite under on and single faction all across our universe, why wouldn't they take our galaxy as logo ( a bit stylized through )?

I could be wrong, not saying the contrary ^^

 

[Atrox Lux]

But it's hardly comparable.

An image of a country clearly indicates someone being of that nation.

An image of the solar system clearly represents humanity, (and everything else under Sol).

But the image of a whole galaxy?

As you scale up the image become less and less representative of an identity since it includes not just you. The sense of it meaning a single species is lost.

Unless that single species is very dominant and has taken over the entire galaxy, or is super progressive and formed some sort of Pan-Galactic Alliance. A logo like would be a badge of ownership and symbol of territorial control, regardless of how many other species are in it, even if it is just one.

 

[bitstorm]

Word of advise. Serious cowards in Merope. Pretend to be all friendly then shoot your ship while you're in your SRV.

2 guys shooting a little viper. lol. so brave.

Can you remind me why we should name and shame ? They specifically did this to ruin my experience. I have the video. It's their purpose, they plan it, and they enjoy it. They specifically mentionned how it was fun to destroy the ship and how it must suck to come such a long way to be stranded..

Not that I give a but it was so obvious griefing.

I mean, I just really don't understand the reason why self proclaimed grifers are not met with any kind of side effect ? I mean, we can't even name them ? Why ??

Totally agree they're idiots.

But to say, just make sure you dock at Obsidian Orbital, aye it's a pain getting back but losing a few grand on an SRV and spawning 10LY away isn't the end of the world.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

That's what makes the LMC such a compelling example, in my opinion. It's sufficiently distant that no matter where you are in our galaxy, if you can see it at all it looks the same. It doesn't necessarily point at their origin but it I'm sure it has SOME significance.

Which is also the same thing that makes it useless to us as a clue to the origin of the barnacreators.

I'm open to the symbol representing the LMC but B-Loop is also a good candidate, and if you turn off all star types and routes in the galaxy map and have a good look at a few nebulae, you can make a case for quite a few, including the Pleiades from certain perspectives and that is the point.

If the symbol represents the LMC then it is a dead end until further developments.
If it represents a specific nebula or set of them, then we have some way of figuring out the origin by getting the orientation of nebulae just right to pinpoint a location.

 

[Marcns007]

If someone attacks you and you log out, even after the 15 second timer, that's cutting it quite close to 'combat logging'

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=105778

It's not, as the game allows it and it is to keep away from deranged players who want to ruin the party

 

[Nydo_Horth]

But it's hardly comparable.

An image of a country clearly indicates someone being of that nation.

An image of the solar system clearly represents humanity, (and everything else under Sol).

But the image of a whole galaxy?

As you scale up the image become less and less representative of an identity since it includes not just you. At the galaxy level the sense of it representing a single species is totally lost.

except as far as we know, some species our us in the future could unite as a race ( no more empire federation alliance ) and controle our whole galaxy, and take this as a sign of ralliement against the outside which is not part of us.

I don't see why it is so unbelievable.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Word of advise. Serious cowards in Merope. Pretend to be all friendly then shoot your ship while you're in your SRV.

2 guys shooting a little viper. lol. so brave.

Can you remind me why we should name and shame ? They specifically did this to ruin my experience. I have the video. It's their purpose, they plan it, and they enjoy it. They specifically mentionned how it was fun to destroy the ship and how it must suck to come such a long way to be stranded..

Not that I give a but it was so obvious griefing.

I mean, I just really don't understand the reason why self proclaimed grifers are not met with any kind of side effect ? I mean, we can't even name them ? Why ??

Its a slippery slope, and it generally leads to lots of false accusations. If you think anything improper happen file a report to FD, you can name them in your communication and provide evidence of any wrongdoing.

 

[simulacrae]

Well, seeing as there seems to be some sort of collective amnesia regarding "Thargoids" in our galaxy, this image of a "thargon" (whatever they are) was recovered from an old 21st Century archive. They said all our history would be lost to the digital age! What do they know?
Obviously historical archives aren't kept anymore, best I could find regarding "Thargoids" was reference to them being a "legend" in an old Galnet post about Alien Artefacts (not UA) and some band. I'm sure they are quite nice really. If they exist.

Interesting to be sure...

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PS...I have a vague memory of having sold one of these once, but then some dude in a black suit flashed a light in my face and...I just have this blur in my head now

Some of my random opinions on the subject:

Ya while the Barnacle has a very similar shape to a thargon - its context indicates it is something else. This does not preclude the possibility that Thargoid technology is based on or related to some of the Barnacle/UA /meta-allloys...

Until a better explanation comes along - the symbol on the barnacle most closely resembles the Large Magellanic Cloud - as seen from our galaxy.. What meaning that might have is obviously still very debatable - I remember in the Thargoids thread there was some debate as to Thargoid origins in the LMC ...

I actually believe that FD would prefer an extra-galactic origin for "aliens" - makes it easier to handle them and introduce them into the story line, than having to create a whole Thargoid (or whatever alien) version of the "bubble" somewhere in the milky way.

 

[Kalearne]

It's not, as the game allows it and it is to keep away from deranged players who want to ruin the party

If you log to avoid combat you can guarantee your opponents will send a vid to FD reporting you for combat logging.

 

[Nydo_Horth]

I actually believe that FD would prefer an extra-galactic origin for "aliens" - makes it easier to handle them and introduce them into the story line, than having to create a whole Thargoid (or whatever alien) version of the "bubble" somewhere in the milky way.

Cmdr, you take the words out of my mind!

 

[Turban]

It's funny cause searching for the guy's name on the forum...

Well, he posted right here, to.... complain about griefers.... lol... what a *********


Dude... I hope you remember my name, because I have yours, and if I see you again, my ship won't be on autopilot...

You little ********

 

[Marcns007]

If you log to avoid combat you can guarantee your opponents will send a vid to FD reporting you for combat logging.

If they fire on your ship when you are in the buggy and you send it away then how can it be as you are not in the ship???

Shooting at ships and buggy on the ground is not defendable in this forum.

 

[Nydo_Horth]

has anyone succesfully taken a mission for the meta alloys? I reffered to the initial post and try 4 systems, each stations, and never found it... any idea?