UAs, Barnacles & More Thread 5 - The Canonn

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Well here's a crazy idea. Remember the first impression of the Orca showed the ship in an underwater situation? And now we have 'Barnacles' ??? hmmm? Well? And the UAs sound like whales?

Star Trek IV the Voyage Home. Spock asked Uhura to adjust the frequency for listening to the sound under salt water... Has anyone tried filtering the sounds we are hearing for underwater in the same way?

Oh yes, it was already suggested and... TESTED!

CMDR DelMonte sacrified a frog speaker to reproduce the UA sound underwater!!!! REALLY! :D
 
correct. doesn't mean their origin is in a nebula either.

It still boils down to:

How it looks in the night sky of their home world.

or

How their home world (or systems) look like from the outside.

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...like the UA sound, coming out from a frog speaker, underwater. :D

Hah. Who speaks frog these days anyway. Hope they didn't drown the poor man completely.
 
I'm afraid not - the nebula that they can be found in relates to their origin and I can't talk about that.

Michael

Seeing this comment reminded me of a facebook post from the Elite: Dangerous community page ...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153170490542610&set=gm.1025243850874444&type=3&theater

barnacle_magellanic_cloud.jpg

I thought I had cracked the Barnacle mystery then, when I saw this view at night.
I thought "It's NOT Barnards Loop, it's THAT nebula.
I went hunting on the G-map, only to discover that the nebula I saw was in fact the Greater Magellanic Cloud, and is unreachable, as it's outside of our galaxy.
Back to the drawing board then....


Perhaps he was onto something after all. Could their origin be the Greater Magellanic Cloud, as indicated by the logo?
 
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Shooting until they glow.... Huros must be getting excited.

Hehehe! I did get a warm fuzzy feeling. But they weren't using Nukes.....



Seriously though it needs to be reproduced consistently before we can clarify it as a given behaviour, and as Zoltan showed it is not immediately repeatable. -Good Science.
 
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Surely this indicates that Nebulae (plural?) are logical places for them to be...

I'm not trying to get into a ing match with you, but Pleiades Sector JC-U b3-2 is not strictly inside a nebula. (Although it's close to it). Your original post insinuated that barnacles can only be found in nebulae, and we already have a place outside a nebula where they can be found.

(I see now you actually said "in or around", so my apologies.)
 
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I've been exploring Taygeta 4 to see if there's more to be found in the Pleiades, I was out in Barnards Loop and Hind Nebula.. but at the moment I think it's too much like looking for a grain of sand in a beach a million kilometers wide...

Experience so far :

3.15g So 'interesting' to land an anaconda.
Also find it difficult to get the SRV up some of the inclines.
Currently exploring one of the splodgy areas with a huge crater.

Of interest : This planet has : Zirconium, vanadium, Niobium.

crater.jpg

Just tried to recall the ship and watched the autopilot slam it down into the planet nose first so it rocked back on the thrusters.. and then deploy landing gear after. Glad I went with the 7D Shields....
 
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It still boils down to:

How it looks in the night sky of their home world.

or

How their home world (or systems) look like from the outside.

The only reason we thought it was a celestial body/system was because it looks a bit like Barnard's Loop, if it isn't that it might not even be anything to do with constellations or nebulae so neither of the above options.

But if it is some kind of nebula, that is an interesting question. When we represent our cities / nations / planet we always do so in a representation from a great distance overhead - and outside, or else we pick a sight/scene widely associated with what we're representing and portray that. So - say - for Britain we'd show an image of the island from high above it, or else Big Ben tower, the London Eye etc... etc.. But not a typical person's eye view of Britain, that wouldn't be readily recognisable.

Then again, several countries have constellations on their flags (representations) which are only visible in their hemisphere, so it is possible that - if that icon does represent Barnard's Loop or similar - it could be "we're from a place where Barnard's Loop is visible and looks like this". Considering how many places can see Barnard's Loop and other nebulae, I think it's unlikely, this is too vague a description. It'd be like describing your address on Earth as "somewhere I can see the sun". Ok, apart from ruling out Ireland and England, that still leaves most of the world...
 
The only reason we thought it was a celestial body/system was because it looks a bit like Barnard's Loop, if it isn't that it might not even be anything to do with constellations or nebulae so neither of the above options.

But if it is some kind of nebula, that is an interesting question. When we represent our cities / nations / planet we always do so in a representation from a great distance overhead - and outside, or else we pick a sight/scene widely associated with what we're representing and portray that. So - say - for Britain we'd show an image of the island from high above it, or else Big Ben tower, the London Eye etc... etc.. But not a typical person's eye view of Britain, that wouldn't be readily recognisable.

Then again, several countries have constellations on their flags (representations) which are only visible in their hemisphere, so it is possible that - if that icon does represent Barnard's Loop or similar - it could be "we're from a place where Barnard's Loop is visible and looks like this". Considering how many places can see Barnard's Loop and other nebulae, I think it's unlikely, this is too vague a description. It'd be like describing your address on Earth as "somewhere I can see the sun". Ok, apart from ruling out Ireland and England, that still leaves most of the world...

Rep for that remark about Ireland... (We'll forgive the mention of that 'other' country for now) I love summer in Ireland. It's the best two days of the Year...

So logically, the best place to look for the origin of the Barnacles is in a Nebula. Now, Barnard's loop is the biggest example, but actually, aren't most nebulae created from a single star explosion and so nearly all nebulae are spherical. Or is it the Bow Shock effect?
 
Seeing this comment reminded me of a facebook post from the Elite: Dangerous community page ...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153170490542610&set=gm.1025243850874444&type=3&theater

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I thought I had cracked the Barnacle mystery then, when I saw this view at night.
I thought "It's NOT Barnards Loop, it's THAT nebula.
I went hunting on the G-map, only to discover that the nebula I saw was in fact the Greater Magellanic Cloud, and is unreachable, as it's outside of our galaxy.
Back to the drawing board then....


Perhaps he was onto something after all. Could their origin be the Greater Magellanic Cloud, as indicated by the logo?


https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=222049&page=428&p=3430707&viewfull=1#post3430707

:rolleyes:

Ps : Your link doesn't work for me.
 
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Just to turn the whole (presumably) Thargoid Symbol speculating on its head--how would a thargoid interpret the Federation, Empire and Alliance symbols?

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See what I'm saying? There is no clue to anything about us on any of these, except VERY loosely with the Federation, and even then absolutely nothing useful.

The outside stars are strictly symbolic. The inner system, while it does represent Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars at the top (headquarters of the Federation) doesn't include any of the gas giants or any other tell tale signs to act as a map to positively identify our system. If we were trying to find the Federation's location based on that symbol, there are no doubt millions of single star systems in which the four inner planets have a similar size spread.

See what I'm saying? The thought that the Thargoids would stamp their property with something exact is unlikely. It's more likely symbolic. Perhaps it represents A nebula, but no specific one. Just "nebula like".

And, given our symbols above, why a nebula at all? Maybe we should think for a moment about symbols and what this could represent in other ways. Has anyone mapped out, for example, what shape the Permit locked zone on the other side of the galaxy looks like? Or any other similar zone?

But again, that's assuming the shape is meant to represent something directly applicable. For all we know it could be language, a pictogram that represents their collective.
 
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I'm not trying to get into a ing match with you, but Pleiades Sector JC-U b3-2 is not strictly inside a nebula. (Although it's close to it). Your original post insinuated that barnacles can only be found in nebulae, and we already have a place outside a nebula where they can be found.

(I see now you actually said "in or around", so my apologies.)

I always pee in private. ;)

No problem. Still, I might be wrong. It just sounded to me that MB was insinuating that it was logical for some reason for Nebulae to be a causal factor.

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Just to turn the whole (presumably) Thargoid Symbol speculating on its head--how would a thargoid interpret the Federation, Empire and Alliance symbols?

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/elite-dangerous/images/6/6b/Factions.png

See what I'm saying? There is no clue to anything about us on any of these, except VERY loosely with the Federation, and even then absolutely nothing useful.

The outside stars are strictly symbolic. The inner system, while it does represent Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars at the top (headquarters of the Federation) doesn't include any of the gas giants or any other tell tale signs to act as a map to positively identify our system. If we were trying to find the Federation's location based on that symbol, there are no doubt millions of single star systems in which the four inner planets have a similar size spread.

See what I'm saying? The thought that the Thargoids would stamp their property with something exact is unlikely. It's more likely symbolic. Perhaps it represents A nebula, but no specific one. Just "nebula like".

And, given our symbols above, why a nebula at all? Maybe we should think for a moment about symbols and what this could represent in other ways. Has anyone mapped out, for example, what shape the Permit locked zone on the other side of the galaxy looks like? Or any other similar zone?

But again, that's assuming the shape is meant to represent something directly applicable. For all we know it could be language, a pictogram that represents their collective.

There's just one thing you are forgetting: The Dev's want us to find them. Making them obscurely refer to a mapping survey of previously buggy permit-only systems makes little sense.

The fact that you see the Barnacle, look up in the sky and immediately, the thing that jumps at you is Barnard's Loop, or the California Nebula, makes you go... uhuh. Okay. I get it.
 
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