Combat Loggers...    how many are there!!!! What kind of punishment do they receive and when?

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Within the last 2 days I've met 7 already Hudson (fluff-wise, [the Empire fanatics now will giggle I guess and get some moral or courage back, fluff-wise again]) Combat Loggers in a total of 12 interdictions made/received. And I do wonder..... ?

Why Commanders play in Open if they will Combat Log in the first place? Why don't they go in solo or private groups where they deserve to be? They must have a very unstable phychological profile to do so, because it really does not make any sense to me...or stupid or smthg.

My player group of course, as well as others (Empire/Alliance/Federation-leaning fluff wise) do put their names in KoS or hunt them down ofc. But I do still wonder... ?

I'd like you to put your thoughts in this ongoing plague for ED/H, and please if someone could remind me, what kind of punishment do they receive from FD? I remember it's shadow-ban or smthg, right? Does that take place from very first report?

If we take a look on FDs behavior in general, I guess that it could take some time for implementing punishment, (or maybe warning or smthg). We all know how busy they are with adding content and fixing stuff, and replying to bug reports etc, and it is partly, indeed, understandable. And I do remember FD staff saying that they "take combat logging, very seriously".

As a suggestion though, I'd really hope to see that FD opens up a bit of information concerning this matter. Why not publish names and punishments? Why not, us players reporting, getting some information concerning the "hacker", we have met and reported?

People who combat log don't have an unstable psychological profile, it's actually people who write things like you that tend to be unstable. The reason I say this is because it's obvious from your post that you are allowing combat loggers to have an actual impact on your life, you get angry. Don't. Relax and breath and realize that you are playing a game in an imaginary universe that has absolutely no impact on your real life. I'll explain why people play in open and combat log for you, and maybe you can realize that you're obviously too involved in this imaginary world.

So someone wants to play ED, they like the MMO aspect of it and so they want to play in open, it's nice to see other people in the universe. Why don't they play in Mobius you ask? Well probably because they have never heard of mobius, because for them this is only a game and they don't check the forums and the larger web to find out more about it and never will because they just don't care enough to invest that kind of time. So, they're enjoying their game, doing some trading maybe, when all of the sudden they are ganked by a wing of 4 cmdrs who just start killing them for no reason. If said player loses their ship it will cost upwards of 10-12 million, an amount that takes considerable time to make back. The battle isn't going well, obviously, in fact at this point it's just murder. This is the point that the game goes from being really fun, to really not fun. Now, said player has a choice to make, do the "honorable" thing and allow themselves to be murdered, or just turn off the game. believe it or not, most people won't go for the "honorable" path, because it's just a stupid game and they don't take it nearly as seriously as you do and there's no such thing as honor in a video game. They don't care about what other players think about them, because to them, anyone who actually gets angry about combat logging is obviously a weirdo.

Just imagine for a moment meeting a combat logger in real life, and you get to say to them all the things you really want to say to them, call them all the names you want to call them, and get to make them feel bad about what they do. In response the combat logger stays calm and says "just relax, it's only a game" and proceeds to turn around, walk away, and never talk to you again. Who in this scenario is the unstable one? The combat logger who doesn't allow a game to upset them, or you, the person getting angry and yelling about perceived injustice in an imaginary universe.

Combat loggers aren't a problem, they are a fact of life. Every single online game has loggers of their own kind, and it's not something anyone can stop because there is nothing stopping them from simply cutting their connection. You cannot shame them, because they don't care what you think about them, to them you're just an online troll, you can't hunt them down because this game is ridiculous large, and most likely you'll never see them again. Frontier can't actually do anything to punish them because there's literally no way of telling who's a combat logger, and who's just having connection issues (which there are a lot of in this game).

So as you can see, combat loggers are not unstable people, they're just people who don't take this game as seriously as you do. They can't be stopped by you or anyone else, they are just a fact of life life. It's like being angry at the rain, you can't stop it, so stop being upset about it, the only one you are hurting is yourself.
 
If you choose to play in Open then you choose to interact with other people, whether you like the interaction or not.
If you then choose to CL and go to Solo or Group why not just start your game there in the first place? Maybe some people like the thrill of a potential 'dangerous' interaction but in reality they don't actually want it.

I see very few people on these threads stating why they want to play in Open but don't want to play with others.
9/10 CMDR's I meet in Open and just give an 'o7' to totally ignore me, so really, why bother playing there? You don't want friendly interaction and you don't want unfriendly interaction

I'm not obliged to interact with people in open and I certainly don't choose to interact with everyone. And it's none of your business when or where I play. You could equally go join a PVP group full of like-minded people.

It's time PVP players took responsibility for their own actions - by being disrespectful of others (seems to go hand in hand with random destruction, lets not pretend this isn't happening) you're giving people a desire to avoid you.

Some basic manners and sportsmanship would go a long way to furthering the PVP cause, but no no it"s our right to club seals and smash traders just for the lols, and to gloat about it in comms.

People have choices and they are exercising them.
 
I've hovered the thread and haven't seen any testimonies from combat loggers.

So i'll take the heat but here is mine:

I've purposley ctrl+alt+deled 3 times in total to avoid the destruction of my ship.
First of all, I must describe my mindset as I play this game. I do mostly RES bounty hunting and I don't do PVP (because I suck). For maximizing my BH profits I've aligned with ALD. I used to play in open cuz I liked interacting and winging up with random bounty hunters I met in REZ. I do fly some well equipped ships: An A rated Vulture and a Smuggling/trade clipper that I fly around mostly because I freaking love that ship. Not the best for combat though.

Anyways, why did I purposley disconnect ? As i'm aligned with a PP faction, sometimes when I'm supercruisin in my vulture to claim my bounties or whatever, I'll get interdicted by wings of 3 enemy CMDRs. What's in the wing ? Anacondas, Corvettes, Pythons, Vultures...And i'm all alone :(. I'll escape once, but get interdicted by the same wing,again, and again...I just want the cash from my bounties man...I didn't ask for this. I'll plead in the comms for them to let me go. No answer...or i'll get "Die empire scum" and whatnot. What can I do when I get chain interdictions by more competent CMDRs, in bigger ships who outnumber me ? I have a family to feed and I have millions accumulated from my hard work to be claimed. My HUD is bugging, my dashboard is sparking, the nice lady in the ship tells me my hull integrity is critical...
Ctrl alt del is the solution, the holy salvation from my oppressors, the way for me to survive.

So yes, i've disconnected several times. Each time, I did not engage my agressors, each time i tried to ask for mercy, and each time the salvos kept on coming.
I've had my ship destroyed by CMDRs several times. When it's a fair 1vs1 fight I'll stay, fight and lose my ship (again because I suck at PvP) but it is fair. When i'm outnumbered but murderous billionaire psycopaths, I'll run for my life...and I really like living (and not having to pay my rebuy cost)

Well I've learned my lesson, I've been pushed to play Solo and now I BH alone....but not only BH! I trade, smuggle, explore alone by fear of being detroyed by a wing of anacondas. The silver lining is that in solo, it seems the spawns in REZ are better but I wish I could go back to open and meet bounty hunters...

I should play with Mobius. I've only recently heard about them.

So here's my testimony, make of it what you want.

Peace out.

Cmdr Bahaam Nut


Quite.
A good example.
This after all is MEANT to be a game for US as players to enjoy. You don't like CMDRs combat logging, pick a DELIBERATE fight with someone who actually wants to have the fight. Failing that, how about using the facility that was BUILT for you, i.e. CQC, where you get to have pretty fair fights, primarily against other decent pilots.

In the meantime, I'll re-iterate some of the comments here, this game NEEDS and overhaul to the laws applied for piracy. Do that, and you'll see a whole lot more CMDRs happy to fly in open.
 
I'm not obliged to interact with people in open and I certainly don't choose to interact with everyone. And it's none of your business when or where I play. You could equally go join a PVP group full of like-minded people.

It's time PVP players took responsibility for their own actions - by being disrespectful of others (seems to go hand in hand with random destruction, lets not pretend this isn't happening) you're giving people a desire to avoid you.

Some basic manners and sportsmanship would go a long way to furthering the PVP cause, but no no it"s our right to club seals and smash traders just for the lols, and to gloat about it in comms.

People have choices and they are exercising them.

I'm a BH, I target wanted ships. I don't go seal clubbing its not my thing, but people have choices and they are exercising them.

Like I said before, I hail CMDR's when I see them on my scanner and 9/10 times I get ignored.
I can play for hours and not see anyone so its nice to see another CMDR. So my question still remains, why play in Open if you don't want to interact? Sure, your not obliged to but its just basic manners
 
I'm a BH, I target wanted ships. I don't go seal clubbing its not my thing, but people have choices and they are exercising them.

Like I said before, I hail CMDR's when I see them on my scanner and 9/10 times I get ignored.
I can play for hours and not see anyone so its nice to see another CMDR. So my question still remains, why play in Open if you don't want to interact? Sure, your not obliged to but its just basic manners

Everyone is likely to have their own reason for playing in Open. For some, maybe they don't speak English and just like to see other players flying around.
The key point is that it is THEIR choice on where to play. That doesn't however justify blowing them to pieces (unless they're wanted).

I'll say this again, the issue here is the LAWS being applied in game. They need an overhaul to protect trade.
 

Jex =TE=

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You can, but I've heard that it doesn't work always. I think chances are low that you meet the same combat logger more than once so it would be useless anyway. IMO the problem is that some PvP players are scared that they run into a combat logger, the ideal approach to get rid of that problem would be a private group, just like most mobius players are afraid that they run into someone who wants to kill them if they are in open.

PS Open would remain the anarchy it is:
Open = Everyone can attack you but it might be that they leave the game
Mobius = Nobody can attack you
Siubom = Everyone can attack you

Problem solved.

OK so it's possible it just requires effort. At first, it won't seem like there's much of an impact but 3 moths from now, if everyone did it, you'd see posts on the forums "I never see anyone in open anymore!"

LOL I would love to see those posts.
 
Why Commanders play in Open if they will Combat Log in the first place? Why don't they go in solo or private groups where they deserve to be? They must have a very unstable phychological profile to do so, because it really does not make any sense to me...or stupid or smthg.

As a suggestion though, I'd really hope to see that FD opens up a bit of information concerning this matter. Why not publish names and punishments? Why not, us players reporting, getting some information concerning the "hacker", we have met and reported?
I'm not obliged to interact with people in open and I certainly don't choose to interact with everyone. And it's none of your business when or where I play. You could equally go join a PVP group full of like-minded people.

It's time PVP players took responsibility for their own actions - by being disrespectful of others (seems to go hand in hand with random destruction, lets not pretend this isn't happening) you're giving people a desire to avoid you.

Some basic manners and sportsmanship would go a long way to furthering the PVP cause, but no no it"s our right to club seals and smash traders just for the lols, and to gloat about it in comms.

People have choices and they are exercising them.


That's about the most reasonable CL Fix i've seen.

Start a PvP only massive private group. Ban all people that CL.

like Mobius bans PvPers
 
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This is funny, a griefer complains of not being able to easily kill a victim, there is a 15-second timer if you are not able to kill at that time you failed, that timer is the only way to avoid PvP for players that don't want to be killed for no reason and no possibility of getting out alive.
Why before attacking not try to contact the victim? maybe he gets nervous and accept the fight...

I haven't griefed a single player, I hunt griefers myself. Don't make conclusions like that. And stop make it personal, you are out of subject.
 
I'm a BH, I target wanted ships. I don't go seal clubbing its not my thing, but people have choices and they are exercising them.

Like I said before, I hail CMDR's when I see them on my scanner and 9/10 times I get ignored.
I can play for hours and not see anyone so its nice to see another CMDR. So my question still remains, why play in Open if you don't want to interact? Sure, your not obliged to but its just basic manners

You just need to accept that everyone has a free will and that your concept of playing and interaction isn't the same for everyone else. When I go outside in RL I don't start to hail or beat everyone up and wonder why they run away/ignore me.

OK so it's possible it just requires effort. At first, it won't seem like there's much of an impact but 3 moths from now, if everyone did it, you'd see posts on the forums "I never see anyone in open anymore!"

LOL I would love to see those posts.


I think the number of people who would join Suibom would be rather small. It's just a fraction of players that complains about combat loggers, most PvP players just go for CQC or attack players that actually want to fight. And most of the complainers wouldn't join a PvP group because they are scared to face equally skilled and fitted players instead of victims.
 
I haven't griefed a single player, I hunt griefers myself. Don't make conclusions like that. And stop make it personal, you are out of subject.

If you don't want people to get personal maybe don't say things like...

They must have a very unstable phychological profile to do so, because it really does not make any sense to me...or stupid or smthg.

You don't understand it therefore it must be an indication of a mental instability? FYI one of the indicatorions of psychopathic and sociopathic mentality is an inability to empathise with others. People in glass houses...

On topic. One of the reasons people play in open is often because they like the social aspect. They have no interest in PvP.

Or take a friend of mine who plays in open so we can wing. I play in open and like a bit of light PvP (though I will usually leg it). He likes playing in the same instance as me and the rest of the wing so he joins us.

If he gets interdicted he will log off. He does not want to do PvP and logging is his way of showing that. As he puts it "if they knew that I wasn't interested than they would have interdicted me in the first place. If the don't care then they are getting enjoyment from forcing another human being to do something they don't like, or making them have a bad time. Why would I care about their feelings?"

And that's a fair question don't you think. If they are not interested in PvP of any sort why is your enjoyment dependant upon forcing them into a situation they just don't want?

Now if they submitted to an interdiction, fought with you, started loosing and then logged, that would be different issue. Those people want a fight, but only if they win. That's a [redacted] move, but it's not what you described.
 
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I feel sorry for those who run into wing bullies. I had a wise guy in the corvette with a viper wing say he's out to kill hudson players. They were in Eravate. I feel sorry for the new starts. I was in a fully kitted Python and I'm hudson aligned. Reckon he didn't fancy his chances when he talked the talk but didn't walk. But I'd have been annoyed losing 13 million insurance just because he showed up if I'd lost. Some people enjoy online to meet decent people rather than diehards who wing grief just because someone is a different faction and weaker.

No wonder some people disconnect.
 
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You just need to accept that everyone has a free will and that your concept of playing and interaction isn't the same for everyone else. When I go outside in RL I don't start to hail or beat everyone up and wonder why they run away/ignore me..

Well I have to admit, it doesn't upset me. Just like getting ganked or someone CLing on me doesn't.
As badben so eloquently put it, it's just a game and when I've finished I turn my pc off and carry on with my real life. Which incidentally does sometimes involve me hailing strangers who mostly don't ignore me. ;)

I am genuinely interested as to why people play in open and complain about interaction.
 
I feel sorry for those who run into wing bullies. I had a wise guy in the corvette with a viper wing say he's out to kill hudson players. They were in Eravate. I feel sorry fo the new starts. I was in a fully kitted Python and I'm hudson aligned. Reckon he didn't fancy his chances when he talked the talk but didn't walk. But I'd have been annoyed losing 13 million insurance just because he showed up if I'd lost. Some people enjoy online to meet decent people rather than diehards who wing grief just because someone is a different faction and weaker.

No wonder some people disconnect.

Miko, as stated earlier, I do hunt down griefers...give me a shout when you want a cleanup in eravate ;)
 
I'm a BH, I target wanted ships. I don't go seal clubbing its not my thing, but people have choices and they are exercising them.

Like I said before, I hail CMDR's when I see them on my scanner and 9/10 times I get ignored.
I can play for hours and not see anyone so its nice to see another CMDR. So my question still remains, why play in Open if you don't want to interact? Sure, your not obliged to but its just basic manners

I do interact - but not with psychos.
 
I am genuinely interested as to why people play in open and complain about interaction.

Most people don't complain about interaction. Attacking a single T6 with a wing of 4 Vultures ISN'T interaction, it's just action and only for those that are part of the wing. Interaction would require the T6 to be interested in getting blown up, which is not the case.
 
Miko, as stated earlier, I do hunt down griefers...give me a shout when you want a cleanup in eravate ;)

The irony is that the griefers in the expensive ships don't like to lose their own fight so they combat log. I was hunting Reaper. He kills new starts.
 
7.9.57 The Game and/or Online Features may allow others imposing their style of play on you. Like it or not, it is called interaction and considered an integral part of the game. Buyers of this Game agree to always stay online for the duration of this interaction as your internet spaceships and credits are the property of the Game selling company anyway so stop whining. We reserve the right to do strange things to your account, your car and your grandmother or even call the attorney near your home, should we ever find out that you did not oblige to this enforced interaction. You have been warned, you cheater, you!

There, found it in the EULA. 'nuff said.
 
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