We need multiplayer mechanics that make Elite a game worth to play online
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Hmm so what have we got here.. OP claims the game needs better PvP, needs changing to cater purely to those that want an exclusively PvP experience. Then when this is refuted opposing opinions are rejected as the OP claims to speak for all PvP players and totally conflates "PvP" with "emergent multiplayer experience"
Sorry, OP but that last is where you totally lost me. If your view of "emergent multiplayer experience" is "blowing up other players" there's plenty of other games where you can do that. ED is not, was never marketed as, and never will be primarily PvP-centric. Just because the types of "emergent gameplay" we're seeing are mostly not PvP focused doesn't mean there is no emergent gameplay.
And guess what? That gameplay emerged because players made it so. If you don't like it, get together with your buddies and go make some emerge that you do like. Just be aware that the game is designed in such a way as to ensure that if others don't like YOUR emergent gameplay, they don't have to deal with it any more than you have to deal with theirs.
Sorry, OP but that last is where you totally lost me. If your view of "emergent multiplayer experience" is "blowing up other players" there's plenty of other games where you can do that. ED is not, was never marketed as, and never will be primarily PvP-centric. Just because the types of "emergent gameplay" we're seeing are mostly not PvP focused doesn't mean there is no emergent gameplay.
And guess what? That gameplay emerged because players made it so. If you don't like it, get together with your buddies and go make some emerge that you do like. Just be aware that the game is designed in such a way as to ensure that if others don't like YOUR emergent gameplay, they don't have to deal with it any more than you have to deal with theirs.
Actualy they sold you what they have advertised...
Here is the definition :
"A multiplayer video game is a video game in which more than one person can play in the same game environment at the same time. "
PvP always comes with multiplayer as well as Multiplayer comes with PvP (as soon as combat or any competitive action is involved).
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If you bought a game based on a couple of videos, without investigating further, that's on you. When I bought E: D I knew what they were offering. They said that upon original release it would have just what the '84 Elite had, and would be built upon further. When I saw those videos I didn't automatically think PvP, those are your blinders.
Once again, Emergent does not mean PvP, nor Developer created content. It means that game play emerges from unexpected use of game mechanics. You can't blame FD, or Elite, because your personal dreams weren't realized, based off of a couple of advertisement videos.
Agree!!!
Yes and Yes please!!
The group play is way too buggy and the result our efforts (either PVE, PWPWE, PWPVE, or PVP) is a net zero change in the Galaxy. Which is completely demoralizing imo.
Please post the original 'muliplayer, emergent gaming experience ...' advertisement post of the previous or (maybe it's still only) website. Not some other definition. It was precicely marketed as emergent, multiplayer bla bla ...
I'm still trying to get my head around the notion of "emergent gameplay" being pre-packed and sold. Maybe they'll do a special - 50% extra emergent gameplay - absolutely free!
Besides - Elite is absolutely emergent gameplay. Players are not scripted. Nobody tells them what to do - apart from pirates and pew-pews of course. They've even gone to great lengths to script and macro their demands.
Besides - Elite is absolutely emergent gameplay. Players are not scripted. Nobody tells them what to do - apart from pirates and pew-pews of course. They've even gone to great lengths to script and macro their demands.
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I can't see how casual players mostly interested in FPS fragging can do good to this game... but I suppose Braben is trying a shot to get to a richer playerbase. It could even work. Then I'll have to deal with more griefers in open like that funny guy shooting newbies in Erevate a few hours ago... but at least FD will make more bucks.
How comforting.
How comforting.
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PVP obiously needs Multiplayer - Multiplayer Does NOT need PVP
Considering "you play the game your way" there are no leaderboards, you don't win and the game is designed that way.
the only person you compete against is yourself
emergent does not necessarily mean PvP or multiplayer. But that where noadays it comes from. You have to have real great gameplay into play to provide emergent AI wise. Which is not similar to repetitive, everything is the same gameplay. sooooooooooory
Not true at all. Most multiplayer games offer PvE and PvE environments to play in. So a player can find the environment they enjoy. The only thing that means PvP is PvP. Emergent is not necessarily PvP. Multiplayer is certainly not PvP. All you can see is PvP, there is no wonder you mistake what is going on around you. FD never promised, not even once, a PvP brawl-fest.
That's non-sense. If that has been your experience, you haven't played very many genres of multiplayer games.
Watch the video of Obsidian Ant, he explains it very precicely.
It is interesting to me that you think "multiplayer" and "PvP" are equivalent. Your thread title is misleading and has little to do with your actual topic. What you're implying is that you want better multiplayer tools (find players to play with, around, against) but then your post shows you just want it easier to find players to shoot at.
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Ask for a refund, I'm afraid you've been tricked into buying a game that can't be what you want.
What? I couldn't reason anything out of that. Your assumptions are overly biased towards your PvP focus. You should have done more research on E: D before buying it. Once again 'Emergent AI' is something of an oxymoron. AI has zero to do with Emergent play, that comes entirely from the players actions.
All I can see is a meanigful game interaction with the player. Nothing has an effect, nothing has a meaning. Who cares if the chicca with the blue hair dies. Does it have any effect on your game (play)?`Nop.
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Could you please provide a link to an official any official advertising for the game that contains the word "emergent"? Thanks.
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This is correct. However..
This is also correct, and is, IMO, the reason for the massive, massive disconnect in the primarily PvE player base, and the more PvP open and oriented players.
It was advertised as two things at odds with one another. It was advertised as an homage to the original elite, with an MMO experience (at least by my rose-colored remembrance. Observer bias being what it is...)I'm not saying they're mutually exclusive, just that the extreme ends of each spectrum are at odds with one another.
Short sighted mistake by FD? Maybe.
I lol'd. Rep.
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