A Guide to Minor Factions and the Background Sim

the100thmonkey · Feb 19, 2016

CaptainKirby said:
As I said, the faction is in another system, but it has no pending war state in that system. Conflict states are supposed to be shown only in the system where the conflict will happen.

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Ah - sorry. I got my As and and Cs confused.

CMDR pollycough · Feb 19, 2016

A-Train Amick said:
Uh... HELP!?

It was just brought to my attention that we may be doing something wrong in our systems with bounty hunting to affect our influence.

I was told that it is counter-productive to our faction (we control the system) to cash in bounties from other factions, and that it helps those factions...

Can anyone with a measure of knowledge clarify this for me, please? Because that means that one we have been doing it wrong, and two, I have been issuing incorrect orders and need to correct this. Thanks.

As far as the information I have received from here, the one that ultimately pays out, pays the price in influence immaterial of who issued the bounty or who died. I am assuming that it also applies that whichever faction receives credits from fines paid, gains. i:e if you are going to pay your fines off, give it to your guys.

goemon · Feb 19, 2016

A-Train Amick said:
Uh... HELP!?

It was just brought to my attention that we may be doing something wrong in our systems with bounty hunting to affect our influence.

I was told that it is counter-productive to our faction (we control the system) to cash in bounties from other factions, and that it helps those factions...

Can anyone with a measure of knowledge clarify this for me, please? Because that means that one we have been doing it wrong, and two, I have been issuing incorrect orders and need to correct this. Thanks.

bounty hunting will always "help" the ruling faction, more so, if claims cashed in on a station they are owning.

if you want to push that even more, don't hunt wanted ships of the controlling faction.

if the faction isn't in control, things get very complicated with bounty hunting, but this isn't your case.

toto66 · Feb 19, 2016

jimbeau1571 said:
The cash, and where it is cashed. I had a simialr question, about where the cashing is done, and concensus was if you don't cash them in in the same system as the war, they won't count towards the war but appply to the system where cashed.

Strange. Recently I cashed combat bonds in another system and still got +influence for faction in system with war.

Jane Turner · Feb 19, 2016

jimbeau1571 said:
So I got my expansion following todays tick, at last. Well happy with that. The destination was a surprise though.

I had 2 systems with only 2 factions in them, within the 30 Ly distance. So I was expecting the closer of those 2.
But it put me into the closest system at only 6 Ly, where there is 4 factions present. So the mechanics of deciding the system isn't quite just fewest factions, and then closest of those with the fewest equalling.

I wonder if there is a closer in limit, for example:

fewest factions <15 Ly away.

When I made a list of the factions within 30 Ly ... what turned out to be the expansion system was 3rd on the list.

The BGS thinks 1=2=3=4 and 5=6=7=8=9=10 ie just two classes of faction number. You go into the closest sub 5 then its anyone's guess

dazzlerbing · Feb 19, 2016

Jane Turner said:
The BGS thinks 1=2=3=4 and 5=6=7=8=9=10 ie just two classes of faction number. You go into the closest sub 5 then its anyone's guess

I will pay real money to find my last expansion.... It had to be a system 26ly away as it is the only 4 faction system amongst the pages of systems within 30ly, but no...search pattern initiated.

Why not just post it on the systems newspaper (too simple)??

dunnykin · Feb 19, 2016

dazzlerbing said:
I will pay real money to find my last expansion.... It had to be a system 26ly away as it is the only 4 faction system amongst the pages of systems within 30ly, but no...search pattern initiated.

Why not just post it on the systems newspaper (too simple)??

Most of the time it is the closest with a free space but occasionally it skips it and goes elsewhere.

dunnykin · Feb 19, 2016

CaptainKirby said:
Hm, we have a faction A in our system with a pending war state since today. Though it's the only faction with war pending. The faction's influence matches the influence of another faction B which is already engaged in an active war against faction C (and has only a pending state boom). Is this intended? Faction A has no pending war state in another system, so the war seems to happen in our system.

I've seen this a few times, generally when the current conflict ends the faction will start another with 1 of the factions.

Not sure if there will be any pending/recovery delay between them but the ones I saw things sorted out. I think the pending state gets hidden by the active state but it will go ahead.

Dont think this is consistent but I have seen it 2 or 3 times.

dazzlerbing · Feb 19, 2016

dunnykin said:
Most of the time it is the closest with a free space but occasionally it skips it and goes elsewhere.

Previous expansion 18ly, predicted one 26ly...somewhere within that 8ly band is a system that I haven't visited, sounds simple

irongut · Feb 19, 2016

CaptainKirby said:
Hm, we have a faction A in our system with a pending war state since today. Though it's the only faction with war pending. The faction's influence matches the influence of another faction B which is already engaged in an active war against faction C (and has only a pending state boom). Is this intended? Faction A has no pending war state in another system, so the war seems to happen in our system.

And while I'm in question state, here's another one:

I'm still wondering about those Crime Reports. What are they supposed to show? Bounties and maybe fines that has been gained by players in the system within the last 24 hours? Facts first: In our system the Crime Report continuously states between 30,000,000 and 100,000,000 Credits. It's almost always a few million more than the Bounty Hunters Report shows. With about 100 up to 150 ships in the Traffic Report.

Let's guess: Okay, the Traffic Report might only show players who enter or exit the system. But even if we double the amount of players - let's say there are 300 of them in our system - that'd mean that every Cmdr had at least a bounty of 100,000 Cr on average. Since we see a lot of Cmdr flying in open, and almost none of them has a bounty, I highly doubt that bounties are that common among our visitors/residents. If a group of maybe 30 Cmdrs (so maybe about 10 percent) had bounties, each of them had to gain at least 1,000,000 Cr on average - every day!

Long story short - the Crime Report is either wrong or I don't understand what it actually states. What do you think?

From what I've seen in my system:

Crime Report = bounty value of ships killed in system, so if I'm the only person hunting in system and my left panel tells me I've earned 3m in bounties it says 3m

Bounty Hunter Report = value of bounties cashed in system, including any PP bonuses so if I have 3m bounties on left panel and cash them all in it says 3.6m (with 20% ALD bonus)

There are only 2 people who regularly hunt in my system and I know how what we kill and claim, the reports look correct to me. One complication is if I hunt in system A but cash some bounties in system A and some in system B then the figures on the two report types in system A will look very different but should still be correct for what was done.

The thing I'm unsure of for these and the ships report is do they count last 24h from now (ish) or since 00:00 that day.

dynamicbob · Feb 19, 2016

dunnykin said:
Most of the time it is the closest with a free space but occasionally it skips it and goes elsewhere.

regardless, how hard can it be while expansion is active or even after for local news headlines containing the expansion story to list where the expansion went to will make it so much easier to track, guess with bugged expansions Fdeve doesnt want eggy faces on that regard. It would help bgs involvement and would fit well with 2.1 changes. Any chances of a developer comment on this idea ?

CaptainKirby · Feb 19, 2016

irongut said:
The thing I'm unsure of for these and the ships report is do they count last 24h from now (ish) or since 00:00 that day.

I'm pretty sure it's the last 24 hours from now. I think I observed that values change continuously within a day. Not sure if it's realtime or maybe with some delay.

dynamicbob · Feb 19, 2016

CaptainKirby said:
I'm pretty sure it's the last 24 hours from now. I think I observed that values change continuously within a day. Not sure if it's realtime or maybe with some delay.

My observation and i could be wrong is it is applied when states are rechecked and that is on the hour every hour. In the absense of offical information this seems to fit the realtime but with timetick delay

CaptainKirby · Feb 19, 2016

dynamicbob said:
My observation and i could be wrong is it is applied when states are rechecked and that is on the hour every hour. In the absense of offical information this seems to fit the realtime but with timetick delay

Sounds reasonable.

A-Train Amick · Feb 19, 2016

CMDR pollycough said:
As far as the information I have received from here, the one that ultimately pays out, pays the price in influence immaterial of who issued the bounty or who died.

That sounds counter to what is (generally) understood, and indicated in the chart on Dev Update #106. The controlling faction gets +2 (whatever) for Bounty Hunting. So I'm not sure what you're saying here. If the BGS acted in the way it is indicated, in theory the "Security" of the system would rise with BH, but would the "Wealth" of the paying faction drop?

So I am confused by your statement as it seems counter to everything - in that bounty hunting is a negative to the controlling faction.

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goemon said:
bounty hunting will always "help" the ruling faction, more so, if claims cashed in on a station they are owning.

if you want to push that even more, don't hunt wanted ships of the controlling faction.

if the faction isn't in control, things get very complicated with bounty hunting, but this isn't your case.

Ok. So I should tell my pilots... Don't hunt (OUR) faction's ships? But go ahead and cash in bounties for ALL other factions in the system at our (controlling) station? (Which means that the statement made to me by the guy earlier was incorrect...?)

Jane Turner · Feb 20, 2016

dazzlerbing said:
I will pay real money to find my last expansion.... It had to be a system 26ly away as it is the only 4 faction system amongst the pages of systems within 30ly, but no...search pattern initiated.

Why not just post it on the systems newspaper (too simple)??

Our last one is invisible too

Walt Kerman · Feb 20, 2016

Sorry to post off topic, but it's my thread so I forgive myself

Vote on a system for colonization:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=233526&p=3587005&viewfull=1#post3587005

jimbeau1571 · Feb 20, 2016

A-Train Amick said:
That sounds counter to what is (generally) understood, and indicated in the chart on Dev Update #106. The controlling faction gets +2 (whatever) for Bounty Hunting. So I'm not sure what you're saying here. If the BGS acted in the way it is indicated, in theory the "Security" of the system would rise with BH, but would the "Wealth" of the paying faction drop?

So I am confused by your statement as it seems counter to everything - in that bounty hunting is a negative to the controlling faction.

I've recently risen my faction purely on Bhing in the system, and purely on factions that are not mine and left alone wanted ships of my faction, and cashed in at my controlling station. Its seems to be the safest way of raising the faction without pushing into Boom (by doing trade missions, courier missions etc) and almost have them ready to expand. As for the 'Wealth' dropping, who knows, its hidden from us.

CMDR pollycough · Feb 20, 2016

A-Train Amick said:
That sounds counter to what is (generally) understood, and indicated in the chart on Dev Update #106. The controlling faction gets +2 (whatever) for Bounty Hunting. So I'm not sure what you're saying here. If the BGS acted in the way it is indicated, in theory the "Security" of the system would rise with BH, but would the "Wealth" of the paying faction drop?

So I am confused by your statement as it seems counter to everything - in that bounty hunting is a negative to the controlling faction.

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Ok. So I should tell my pilots... Don't hunt (OUR) faction's ships? But go ahead and cash in bounties for ALL other factions in the system at our (controlling) station? (Which means that the statement made to me by the guy earlier was incorrect...?)

Sorry I did get it wrong but luckily walt put it right. I got confused between Combat bonds and Bounty bonds.

goemon · Feb 20, 2016

A-Train Amick said:
Ok. So I should tell my pilots... Don't hunt (OUR) faction's ships? But go ahead and cash in bounties for ALL other factions in the system at our (controlling) station? (Which means that the statement made to me by the guy earlier was incorrect...?)

yes!

as jimbeau said.