The Star Citizen Thread v 4

[jdbleam]

What makes this more amusing is that those "goons" now dictate CIG's development priorities and gameplay mechanics, instead of Chris Roberts' own plans and promises to backers.

Not really. They were already planning it prior to the goon video. I do have to admit that they are pretty good at finding loopholes un game mechanics though.

 

[MaxLexandre]

Not really. They were already planning it prior to the goon video. I do have to admit that they are pretty good at finding loopholes un game mechanics though.

I'm actually having fun with the Bounties, been like pursuing a criminal for like 10 minutes on QT Jumps until he finally went down!

The more they exploit, the more feedback CIG gets and can plan ahead, so there's a positive side for everything!

 

[Voivod]

They were already planning it prior to the goon video. .

Pretty sure everyone (and CIG) knew Goon's intentions from the get go.
I doubt it was just one video.

 

[Hydrino]

Seems one interesting system, but not in-depth details yet to reply your questions, here's what is to be now and on the future of Olisar and other ports:"The Armistice Zone is again a means to an end — to prevent griefing in the spawn area until we have other systems in place. The great news is that for a future release we are implementing a system of law to mark as criminals those who commit crimes. In the future there will be exterior turrets to attack criminal ships and AI police/guards to police the interiors. So I would imagine the notion of an Armistice Zone will either disappear or become extremely rare."

- "Chris’s intention is to have a pirate base which once you break the law you will spawn in instead of Olisar. One of the stations planned is a prison."

The last bit about prison station, pirate bases that hints more what is the planned crime system, i like also the idea of do side-stuff to reduce your wanted level by hacking a station and things like that.

With the latest patches the in-ship audio seems to have much improved but that's just to my ears.

Will it be possible to start the game already in your ship or is getting out of bed, walking to the selection screen and going to the pad the expected routine at every boot-up? I thought after a death players would re-spawn into a medical bay? Can you start in your hangar, walk to your ship and fly out into the PU (well, in the future is it planned? or are hangars just show-rooms?)

Re-spawning in a prison due to crimes could be cool. Having to go to a disinterested clerk to pay off fines to be released. Depends on implementation, how much boring cut-scene there is (if any) and how many offenses or status levels it covers.

The basics of ship crimes around stations sound like a copy of ED; nothing new there.

In either game whether a wanted player will be in an instance or not or even on-line at your random play-time makes it difficult at best to actively seek them. I guess that is a given. So the mission board having a player bounty mission on it may not be as fun as it sounds from reading the idea; similar to the ED top 5 bounties being not very useful in practice.

 

[MaxLexandre]

Will it be possible to start the game already in your ship or is getting out of bed, walking to the selection screen and going to the pad the expected routine at every boot-up? I thought after a death players would re-spawn into a medical bay? Can you start in your hangar, walk to your ship and fly out into the PU (well, in the future is it planned? or are hangars just show-rooms?)

That's exactly the idea, if you have one ship with a bed, the living quarters, then that ship will save the location and you will enter back on where you left. If you die how-ever then yeah medical bay you go, if you eject successfully before the ship is destroyed you'll also wake up not sure if med-bay or a station/outpost as AI (or another player) will rescue you. And finally if you just log-off and you're on a ship that won't save your location, then that ship goes back or to the nearest hangar, or to the last station/planet you were in.

Then of course, the Hangar is exactly to be persistent on the PU, how you login into it, the Hangars will in-game be spread around the universe as those spawning points, that you will load into when you start the game and you're set inside that hangar, it's that system of "self-instance" MMOs use for housing and stuff.

On the crime system being the first iteration, is just something to follow and see how it goes. Currently if a player reaches that max level wanted all players on the instance get one Bounty Mission and you can find it as a QT jump-able coordinated location so right now it's quite the cat & mouse game pursuing another player, this might work per-instance basis.

 

[lysan]

Perfect demonstration of why playtesting with regular people is so important for game development:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc7o-uDmvio[/URL]

Well, this popped up resonantly, In my opinion this is not ok in any way or form.

[video=youtube;S3HT1ZsGAis]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3HT1ZsGAis&feature=youtu.be[/video]

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

Stuff like this could give you nightmares

Indeed

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Maybe this has been posted earlier so apologies if it has but just ran across SC's planetary landing video - very nice.

Gauntlet has been thrown

Well, this popped up resonantly, In my opinion this is not ok in any way or form.

Check the fine print for the T&C when you sign up to CIG. If they announce it in advance then maybe they are not doing anything wrong (from a legal point - ethically yeah that sux). I know in the UK we had to put disclaimers for the employees to say their stuff was being recorded / monitored / yadda yadda but only HR had access. Meh - times change as that was more than 10 years ago so who knows what companies can get up to these days

 

[Monk]

Well, this popped up resonantly, In my opinion this is not ok in any way or form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3HT1ZsGAis&feature=youtu.be

Link to thread on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitize...ll_go_through_your_pms_if_you_criticise_them/

This isn't cool but I'm going to take the judicial approach here. I don't see the PMs he claims did not allude to bank fraud. Perhaps he did, and is washing that part out for effect.

Next, I'm not sure what the ToS are on the privacy of DMs. I'm guessing CIG owns all rights to access them. I'd venture a guess that Frontier has the same ability here.

Now, assuming his claims are honest, this would be pretty disgusting behavior on CIGs part but wouldn't be entirely surprising given their PR track record. It saddens me that CIG don't think they can stand up to critics and have to resort to these kind of scorched Earth tactics. They are creating more enemies by doing this.

 

[bliss]

John Rhys-Davies as he will appear in SQ42:

 

[MaxLexandre]

John Rhys-Davies as he will appear in SQ42:

http://i.imgur.com/AEbJS8h.jpg

The characters keep improving on detail what is quite cool. The security guy hat hmmmm

 

[Monk]

The characters keep improving on detail what is quite cool. The security guy hat hmmmm

I'd like to see it in motion, but agree, this is looking quite improved from the speech video.

 

[jdbleam]

Link to thread on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitize...ll_go_through_your_pms_if_you_criticise_them/

This isn't cool but I'm going to take the judicial approach here. I don't see the PMs he claims did not allude to bank fraud. Perhaps he did, and is washing that part out for effect.

Next, I'm not sure what the ToS are on the privacy of DMs. I'm guessing CIG owns all rights to access them. I'd venture a guess that Frontier has the same ability here.

Now, assuming his claims are honest, this would be pretty disgusting behavior on CIGs part but wouldn't be entirely surprising given their PR track record. It saddens me that CIG don't think they can stand up to critics and have to resort to these kind of scorched Earth tactics. They are creating more enemies by doing this.

The OP is a goon. They have been running a FUD campaign against CIG for a long time. Take with a grain of salt.

 

[milligna]

This "so and so is a goon" thing is a really poor way of countering arguments. It's barely a notch above "Hi, Derek!"

The Rhys-Davies' head doesn't match the body. He should be fatter to match such an enormous head! I sure hope his performance was better than Oldman's in that speech. I can sympathize with Oldman tho, mocap is weird and it's all down to the director for not stepping in and working with him to make it better. In this case the director is one with barely any track record of directing actors, and what's there is highly unimpressive. Not exactly "an actor's director," then.

 

[Rilzi]

This "so and so is a goon" thing is a really poor way of countering arguments. It's barely a notch above "Hi, Derek!"

The Rhys-Davies' head doesn't match the body. He should be fatter to match such an enormous head! I sure hope his performance was better than Oldman's in that speech. I can sympathize with Oldman tho, mocap is weird and it's all down to the director for not stepping in and working with him to make it better. In this case the director is one with barely any track record of directing actors, and what's there is highly unimpressive. Not exactly "an actor's director," then.

It always amuses me when I see the 'FUD' quote. Is that an actual term or something CR just made up in that letter to the Escapist? There are certain fans who have definately run with it.

Anyway, Rhys-Davies has a lot more experience voice acting and I've always enjoyed his work, so I'd expect another solid performance, certainly better than Oldman at least.

Speaking of goons, something a little weird going on on the SC forums - a couple of permabanned goons seem to be back. Have they finally taken over CIG?

 

[jdbleam]

This "so and so is a goon" thing is a really poor way of countering arguments. It's barely a notch above "Hi, Derek!"

The Rhys-Davies' head doesn't match the body. He should be fatter to match such an enormous head! I sure hope his performance was better than Oldman's in that speech. I can sympathize with Oldman tho, mocap is weird and it's all down to the director for not stepping in and working with him to make it better. In this case the director is one with barely any track record of directing actors, and what's there is highly unimpressive. Not exactly "an actor's director," then.

The goons are like any other group of people. There are some that like SC and there are some that don't. They have a reputation that is well earned. I have run into them in other games. Some of the shenanigans they pull is down right funny. Some, not so much. They are very good at forum wars and meta gaming. I would suggest you use caution in any dealings with them and take what they say with a grain of salt. I don't call anyone who disagrees with CIG a DS follower or a goon. In this case the OP admitted he was a goon and there were several goons responding. I don't like everything CIG does but I also don't want to see them falsely persecuted.

 

[Voivod]

The goons are like any other group of people. There are some that like SC and there are some that don't. They have a reputation that is well earned. I have run into them in other games. Some of the shenanigans they pull is down right funny. Some, not so much. They are very good at forum wars and meta gaming. I would suggest you use caution in any dealings with them and take what they say with a grain of salt. I don't call anyone who disagrees with CIG a DS follower or a goon. In this case the OP admitted he was a goon and there were several goons responding. I don't like everything CIG does but I also don't want to see them falsely persecuted.

You do realize there's Goons on this forum, in this topic right?
Calling someone a Goon doesn't automatically make them a liar or a "hater".

You should try and follow the SA SC thread without bias and you'll find information and a perspective of the game that you can't find anywhere else.

 

[MarktJones]

This "so and so is a goon" thing is a really poor way of countering arguments. It's barely a notch above "Hi, Derek!"

The Rhys-Davies' head doesn't match the body. He should be fatter to match such an enormous head! I sure hope his performance was better than Oldman's in that speech. I can sympathize with Oldman tho, mocap is weird and it's all down to the director for not stepping in and working with him to make it better. In this case the director is one with barely any track record of directing actors, and what's there is highly unimpressive. Not exactly "an actor's director," then.

For me the problem with the speech was that it was supposed to be inspiring but instead was rambling/silly. I expect it's difficult to get the performance of cobblers right.

 

[Zargor]

You do realize there's Goons on this forum, in this topic right?
Calling someone a Goon doesn't automatically make them a liar or a "hater".

You should try and follow the SA SC thread without bias and you'll find information and a perspective of the game that you can't find anywhere else.

He knows it very well, don't you Zecumbe? In the meantime, apparently a ship can go from concept to hangar and loose one seat without anyone noticing. Looks like somebody at CIG doesn't understand game development.

 

[Zargor]

So, the Xi'An Scout debacle:

Concept:

https://web.archive.org/web/2015100...eindustries.com/pledge/ships/khartu/Khartu-Al

It's a two seater! But magically it gets delivered into Hangar (http://imgur.com/a/gBOUO) with several changes, one of them being the copilot mysteriously vanishing...also the respective page gets quickly edited to show a crew of 1...even if the concept is still the same with two pilots.

But no worries! Ben, who, if I can remind you, is the guy responsible for ships and should be the best informed, is on the case!

Err ... what? He has no idea? Isn't this his job???

Reactions follow up:

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But hey! These people clearly don't understand game development! Everything is fine!

CIG is cutting where it hurts the most, its ships. Clearly SQ42 interactive movie is pulling all the resources and I fully expect these whoopsies to happen more and more. But hey, it's a pledge so anything goes right? In your face citizen, as long as you give us your VAT taxable pledges.

P.S. This ship was sold few weeks ago at 150$ if I remember well.

 

[Aleksej]

I don't see any issues. Ship specifications are subject to change during the course of the development. This already happened before. E.g. during the first concept sales Banu MM was planned to have a crew if two, now it is planned for a crew of 8.