the station bandit last night

[Fireblade]

Griefing is prevalent in any online game where the challenges of the game have been successfully achieved by a certain % of the gaming world. People get bored and become bullies which is essentially what briefing is. It is p*ss annoying and if you're not a genius at combat then there's no way you can fight off 3 attackers who have serious weaponry. The developers either need to deal with it using a appropriate mechanism or they will lose online players and if there is going to be a paid-for subscription service, money.

As for piracy, there should be a way of challenging a trader as a pirate and then that player has an option to capitulate, run or fight. Choosing to fight carries the risk of being destroyed but a win can bring it's own rewards in bounty and booty. Running away in a slower ship is probably not a good idea but worth a shot especially if you keep your jumps short and always have an 'out' navigation plot. Capitulating would mean dumping your cargo (possibly dummy pods) and making like a tree whilst they pick up your cargo*.

Unfortunately pirates by their nature don't tend to be the nicest bunch around so I'll be looking for insurance to cover the cost of my destroyed ship like in the original game.

* There could be a time limit on the cargo life expectancy of a couple of minutes to give you time to get out of there so that you're not hunted down first before they go back and collect the booty.

 

[Dante80]

Grouping systems that allow you to avoid potential hotspots by dropping into solo online mode and avoid player hotspots if they happen to be your route.

If I understood correctly, the mode in which you play is tied to your commander slot. In other words, you cannot (for example) bypass a blockade by removing the players from the universe and then adding them again when you dock.

And its good that you can't, since it would be abused profusely.

 

[Bolthammer]

Why this topic even goes on ameazes me. Universe will be big, bad people will get bounties in safe systems and you can play offline/solo.

Its like discussing how you dislike unfair snipers and mortars if you go Syria, but you decided to travel to Bahamas anyway ...

 

[AnnuverScotinExile]

Why this topic even goes on ameazes me. Universe will be big, bad people will get bounties in safe systems and you can play offline/solo.

Its like discussing how you dislike unfair snipers and mortars if you go Syria, but you decided to travel to Bahamas anyway ...

Then you fail to understand what the complaints are all about. To stretch your poor analogy almost to breaking point, it is as if there is just one airport in the UK, and people who want to go to the Bahamas, or, indeed, anywhere that is not Syria, cannot do so because there are snipers and mortars at Heathrow.

We know what the universe will be like, we know the game is not there yet, and that is why this childish selfish behaviour by griefers pretending to be testing causes so much anger.

 

[Bolthammer]

I understand alpha3 is problematic. But many go on to advocate for big changes in the full game because of this. It might be a minor problem, there might be sentryguns planned etc. You will be able to hide etc. You can talk with others and coordinate an attack etc. And you can play alone if you wish.

If people keep thread on alpha3 only - ofcourse its annoying, but drawing parallels to full game is way off.

 

[AnnuverScotinExile]

I understand alpha3 is problematic. But many go on to advocate for big changes in the full game because of this. It might be a minor problem, there might be sentryguns planned etc. You will be able to hide etc. You can talk with others and coordinate an attack etc. And you can play alone if you wish.

If people keep thread on alpha3 only - ofcourse its annoying, but drawing parallels to full game is way off.

Advocating big changes in the full game is daft: because it does not exist yet. Once it exists, then responding to to feedback about what works and what doesn't is fine. Before that is premature.

Of course, lots of the stuff folks are trotting out is well known, and has already been discussed at length in the DDF. None of this is a surprise. The alpha griefers have not invented anything unknown, they are not trying stuff that has not already been discussed at length, and for which FD have designs in place. When FD have put their anti-griefing measures in place, then testing whether those work is not only valid, but absolutely necessary. At the moment, it definitely isn't.

 

[PacalB]

Are you going to be okay mate? Do you want some tissues to dry your eyes?

Hilarious! Honestly your post is making me chuckle.

This is a sand box game. You can do what you like. There will be pirates. People have weapons on their ship. Things won't always go our way, and I have been on the receiving end of it too, and yes, is v. annoying.

Do you know what we need to do to deal with it though? Man up.

Now, let's all hug it out and recognise we are all on the same team (truthfully, we all want an amazing and balanced game)

Seriously, its characters like you and attitudes like yours that put people off multiplayer games. You seem driven by nothing more than that pimple of an ego you have there. The sad part is, there's plenty of your kind out there, plenty who will bend and abuse the game to their hearts content to get their adrenaline driven ego trip.

Last I looked, the alpha had one station (that everyone had to dock in) , a station with no gun turrets to defend against idiot maneuvers like yours. You knew this and were just abusing the fact of it to get your rocks off.

Yaffle had it right, it's pretty pathetic, more so when people have no option to dock elsewhere currently. The fact that you can't empathise with the OP says a hell of a lot about your character and characters here who are backing up your kind of rubbish.

I love the way, you use the; "This is a sandbox game. You can do what you like." to justify your inept actions. Its a joke. EVE used to have people over there doing the same thing all the time. Spent 10 years fighting and getting extremely bored with having to deal with this kind of pathetic behaviour, attitudes and exploits. I'll be damned if I'll spend another 10 years doing it again. Personally, I can't wait for the block lists to come into effect to remove fools from the game.

Oh and people, this is not about the full game. This is about an alpha and certain peoples actions to make the alpha experience as an unbearable experience as possible ... so they can get their lolz. Don't confuse the two.


@CMDR Noctivagus
Sorry to hear about you wife mate, hope she continues to get better there. As for the game, it will get better and as others have pointed out, you will be able to remove these kinds of characters from your gaming experience. The fact is, they want to get under your skin, its what they call gaming. Keep the faith Noctivagus, FD will be getting all this under control, and it won't always be like the alpha here.

 

[Memnoch]

Launch accelerators?

What ever its called, the ship is loaded into an accelerator that gets it essentially to hyperspace distance before anything can react to it. ?

Or simply give us a back door out of the station, which all the celebrities use.

@Noctivagus, I hope your wife gets better soon mate.

 

[PacalB]

Or simply give us a back door out of the station, which all the celebrities use.

Now that sounds more like it, do we get the luxury yacht as well?

 

[Herik]

Then you fail to understand what the complaints are all about. To stretch your poor analogy almost to breaking point, it is as if there is just one airport in the UK, and people who want to go to the Bahamas, or, indeed, anywhere that is not Syria, cannot do so because there are snipers and mortars at Heathrow.

We know what the universe will be like, we know the game is not there yet, and that is why this childish selfish behaviour by griefers pretending to be testing causes so much anger.

+1 AnnuverScotinExile!

 

[Rog]

Really hoping the AI's are amazing in the final product.

It'll then be easy to flick the big 'make annoying people disappear' switch AKA 'single player mode'.

 

[Bootsock]

Perfectly said in this post...

Seriously, its characters like you and attitudes like yours that put people off multiplayer games. You seem driven by nothing more than that pimple of an ego you have there. The sad part is, there's plenty of your kind out there, plenty who will bend and abuse the game to their hearts content to get their adrenaline driven ego trip.

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Some of the current behaviour seen in Alpha 3 is downright annoying and childish especially when there are only really four locations to go currently when some people like myself and the OP are severely limited in the time they can commit.

I for one certainly hope that the griefers and idiots such as the port blockaders are heavily penalised in the finished game, for example with non-removable bounty and insurance multipliers. The game should absolutely let you get to 'Elite' through piracy and murder, but reward this type of play style with a permanent, and ever escalating, bounty and obscene insurance cost in the event of ship replacement.

Can't wait to see the final game and balance of it.

@Noctivagus - Best of luck and best wishes to your family at this tough time.

 

[Paulo_B27]

Thanks for the personal attack!

Seriously, its characters like you and attitudes like yours that put people off multiplayer games...

Whoa there big fella. Take a deep breath and lets talk.

As you will have seen from my various posts on this thread, this wasn't me that was killing OP with two others.

Furthermore, I agree this is an issue, and is not something that I intend to be doing when the full game comes out, even Alpha 4.0.

I think this is a problem in the current Alpha as it's too easy, people get as far as they can and then look for the next challenge, plus it's a tiny area in comparison to the full scope of ED. That's why I had a go at attacking human players but only did a short stint of this actually to see what the Zelada responses were like - which is extremely weak. That's not the gamers problem, that's something that should be managed by the game and by all accounts will be.

There is a very interesting post on this thread about the plans to stop this behaviour - so take a look if you have not already read it. I was not aware before last nights discussion and sounds very positive.

So - hope that makes you feel a little better about the whole thing,

See you out there in space

 

[Bumvelcrow]

All this is making me a little worried. My early experiences with the alpha (from standing outside and drooling) was of Elite fans having a great time spreading their new wings and having fun.

Now I hear of groups teaming up to make the game as annoying for others as possible on the pretext that it's a hard universe out there so it might as well be them as anyone else. I'd have thought that anyone with the cash to drop on an alpha would have developed a bit more maturity than that in order to hold down a job. Yes, I'm angry, as much for extra trials inflicted on the OP as for the fact that some people think it's funny to ruin the game that I've been imagining since I played the original.

I hope I'm going to fly into a more civilised galaxy come the end of May.

B

 

[Paden]

Griefing: DBs comments at the BAFTAs

[this is a previous post from another thread, but I guess it's relevant here]

Just saw this interview from BAFTAs where David Braben comments on griefing at 4:33...

http://youtu.be/UlFwSj_Ix1o

Hadn't heard the idea of the ability for persistent griefers to be put in "shards" / instances with each other, then they only get to annoy other griefers. Love that idea. I know that piracy is an important part of Elite, but I guess I'll only be able to play a limited amount, so don't want to get creamed every time. This sounds like a good solution, though I guess it will be difficult to get the balancing right for identifying and penalising griefing.

 

[Paulo_B27]

All this is making me a little worried. My early experiences with the alpha (from standing outside and drooling) was of Elite fans having a great time spreading their new wings and having fun.

Now I hear of groups teaming up to make the game as annoying for others as possible on the pretext that it's a hard universe out there so it might as well be them as anyone else. I'd have thought that anyone with the cash to drop on an alpha would have developed a bit more maturity than that in order to hold down a job. Yes, I'm angry, as much for extra trials inflicted on the OP as for the fact that some people think it's funny to ruin the game that I've been imagining since I played the original.

I hope I'm going to fly into a more civilised galaxy come the end of May.

B

I've been cruising around for the past few hours and no such activity at the moment.

Don't worry, I think the controls and balance will be in place in the final game.

 

[Bootsock]

All this is making me a little worried. My early experiences with the alpha (from standing outside and drooling) was of Elite fans having a great time spreading their new wings and having fun.

To be honest, it's mostly brilliant even now, there's currently just a few occasions, because of the current limited set of destinations, in the Alpha where a few users seem to be spoiling it for others and claiming it as 'testing' such as silly station blockades or treating all scenarios as PvP.

Alpha 4 and after should spread people out a bit, hopefully we'll also then start to see more penalties for law breaking too!

 

[Bumvelcrow]

[this is a previous post from another thread, but I guess it's relevant here]

Just saw this interview from BAFTAs where David Braben comments on griefing at 4:33...

http://youtu.be/UlFwSj_Ix1o

After 30 years, I discover I've been pronouncing his name wrong!! Everything I knew is turned upside down...

Now I've recovered from that, it was quite an interesting talk. I liked what he said about the federation of pilots protecting their own and pirates being fair game. :smilie:

B

 

[Jack Schitt]

That's why I had a go at attacking human players but only did a short stint of this actually to see what the Zelada responses were like - which is extremely weak.

All of which you already knew from reading these forums and/or watching YouTube videos. And if you really wanted to verify this for yourself you could have done so just as easily by attacking the station itself, or its fighter patrol.

By all means play the alpha however you want. It's up to FD to control how various behaviours are dealt with in the full game and you're right - at the moment there are no effective sanctions for any antisocial behaviour and we all know it. But don't insult us by pulling out the "testing" card again because it's not going to wash. Not when you show your true colours with quotes like this:

Sure, it's pretty annoying, but that's kind of the fun when you are dishing it out! I apologise profusely here, in real life, but in space, it's dog eat dog and good fun!

 

[Paulo_B27]

All of which you already knew from reading these forums and/or watching YouTube videos. And if you really wanted to verify this for yourself you could have done so just as easily by attacking the station itself, or its fighter patrol.

By all means play the alpha however you want. It's up to FD to control how various behaviours are dealt with in the full game and you're right - at the moment there are no effective sanctions for any antisocial behaviour and we all know it. But don't insult us by pulling out the "testing" card again because it's not going to wash. Not when you show your true colours with quotes like this:

Oh man - you have a serious problem! I hate the way this has become a personal attack on ME! All I've done is be honest, right. This goes on in every multiplayer game and, frankly I'm getting tired of saying - I THINK THE GAME NEEDS BALANCE TOO.

No - I was not aware of the power/ capability of the Zelada station actually.

No - I was not 'testing' in the sense that I did this for dev. purposes, I'm just a player. But I was looking for the next challenge as 100+ NPC kill streaks do get boring.

Again - I experimented. I AM ENTITLED TO DO THAT. Get off your moral f'ing high horse about me insulting you. You have a rather over inflated opinion of yourself.

For goodness sake watch this vid. Even Braben, when asked about griefing, says he thinks is fascinating and interesting how people play in different way, and they will have things like the Pilots Federation, Police. Bounties, and the ability to put Greifers with Griefers...

http://youtu.be/UlFwSj_Ix1o