Can we all Cheer up please?
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I believe they know it too
That's why I'm still hanging around, preparing for 2.1 to be released. If that too is released in the same half baked state as the other features I will be sorely disappointed. Will I quit playing? Dunno, No Mans Sky is already prepaid but I don't think it will give the same "space captain" feeling that Elite does. We will see 
Aw c'mon you're dying to see how many creatures players can name after genitals, it'll be such fun!Will I quit playing? Dunno, No Mans Sky is already prepaid but I don't think it will give the same "space captain" feeling that Elite does. We will see
Yup, seconded and have some rep for your avatar alone
I play ED sporadically, generally at each beta and just after - no surprises there, right? For me it's a bit like Cities Skylines (no really) in that 'there is no spoon', just a challenge and an experience.
My character is a total scallywag who, with no qualms, who simply takes the next most profitable mission from the board, and doesn't much care what it is or where it takes him. Now I've finally got a Python I'm enjoying it hugely, the credits just keep flowing in nicely, and 'OMG' some of the views I've seen along the way, even Roy Batty would stop for a while to wonder of it.
I also have a very naughty little DbS tucked away, which is a ton of fun at a couple of busy HAZ-RES's I've found super-close to a repair/re-arm station... [money]
Anyway, my mother-in-law hates me so much she told me she intends to dance on my grave. Fine by me, I said, I'm being buried at sea.
The thought has occurred to me
But seriously, No Mans Sky will probably solve a lot of issues I have with Elite, especially the constant need for balance due to the half implementation of PvP encounters. On the other hand it seems rather gamey, and I quite enjoy flying around in Elite even when I don't have a particular purpose. Hence why I hope Elite will improve over the coming year, and that 2.1 will be the start of better times and better quality in implementation nats
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Speaking for myself as only I can I feel the game is amazing in places and it could be amazingly good generally but it needs someone at Frontier with some imagination and flair to take what there is and turn it into a game rather than a space exploration simulation. I think many people like myself who complain about things want Frontier to hear and for them to say 'yes we know there are things missing that the fans really want to see - this is what we are going to do and this is when we are going to do it'. But the main issue for me is I play the game now and I am bored. I love some minor bits of it but its still boring to play it as a whole. That needs to change.
This Horizons may be the last expansion I buy for the game the way it stands at the moment and turning my back on an Elite game will be a very painful experience after all the fun Ive had with previous games. But the fact is this game simply is not good enough. It should be better, I certainly expected it to be better after the great start it had in the early Beta. But its going nowhere now. I want to hear from Frontier that I am wrong and why before I give up on them for good.
When I play games like Atlantic Fleet and Project Cars those games pull me in every session, I cant wait to play them again. Elite Dangerous doesnt do that. Frontier need to address that. And I think this is the reason for negativity on the forum. A forum reflects the feelings of the gamers. Yes you always get the minority who love anything the devs will do and you get a minority who will hate anything they do. But in the middle there are the rest of the gamers like myself, who are interested in the game are fans of the devs enough to frequent their forum, but they will be honest in their assessment and they will not hesitate to say what they feel. Perhaps these are the people Frontier should be listening to.
I mean I am towards the fan end of the middle group, I have frequented the Frontier forums for years waiting for 'Elite 4'. So if people like me are not very happy with what we have been given there must surely be something up??! If it was a great game surely I would be writing more positively on the forum? Wishing it was a better game or looking at it through rose coloured spectacles and going to fan events celebrating Elite will not make this game any better an experience.
Finally yes maybe in ten years this will be a great experience and loads of fun. That doesnt mean anything to me though. I am playing the game now. I want it to be good NOW not in ten years time. That sort of statement is a cop out on Frontiers behalf. If they dont have the talent to make the game worth playing now they should give it up and do another tighter version of the game that isnt so expansive and unweildy.
This Horizons may be the last expansion I buy for the game the way it stands at the moment and turning my back on an Elite game will be a very painful experience after all the fun Ive had with previous games. But the fact is this game simply is not good enough. It should be better, I certainly expected it to be better after the great start it had in the early Beta. But its going nowhere now. I want to hear from Frontier that I am wrong and why before I give up on them for good.
When I play games like Atlantic Fleet and Project Cars those games pull me in every session, I cant wait to play them again. Elite Dangerous doesnt do that. Frontier need to address that. And I think this is the reason for negativity on the forum. A forum reflects the feelings of the gamers. Yes you always get the minority who love anything the devs will do and you get a minority who will hate anything they do. But in the middle there are the rest of the gamers like myself, who are interested in the game are fans of the devs enough to frequent their forum, but they will be honest in their assessment and they will not hesitate to say what they feel. Perhaps these are the people Frontier should be listening to.
I mean I am towards the fan end of the middle group, I have frequented the Frontier forums for years waiting for 'Elite 4'. So if people like me are not very happy with what we have been given there must surely be something up??! If it was a great game surely I would be writing more positively on the forum? Wishing it was a better game or looking at it through rose coloured spectacles and going to fan events celebrating Elite will not make this game any better an experience.
Finally yes maybe in ten years this will be a great experience and loads of fun. That doesnt mean anything to me though. I am playing the game now. I want it to be good NOW not in ten years time. That sort of statement is a cop out on Frontiers behalf. If they dont have the talent to make the game worth playing now they should give it up and do another tighter version of the game that isnt so expansive and unweildy.
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I just add those posters to my ignore list. I give them a fair shake first, but most of them land on my list and never return.
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I have my brother in law and his husband visiting from now to next week.
No flying for me for a bit. Almost makes me want to cry.
Glad you found a way to keep your safe space... safe... should we add Trigger Warnings to our posts maybe?
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With NMS's near infinite universe what makes you think you'll ever see other players and have PvP action? Most of the action seems to come from security drones mysteriously already everywhere - we know vritually nothing about outfitting/combat/piracy/etc in NMSThe thought has occurred to me
All I've seen are statements that it's primarily single player but you can choose to enter an arena mode.
Must. Put On. Cheerful. Face!Whats with all the off topic posts?
The OP was about being cheerful.... So cheer up you miserable lot
IT HUUUUURTS!
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Sorry, I was unclear there
What I meant was I don't like the fact that PvP in Elite necessitates a balancing act that I, as a PvE player, don't benefit from. In fact I strongly believe that if Elite was a pure PvE game it would be more entertaining for us. NMS is as you correctly state pure PvE, and that should suit me well Edit: And, as the PvP implementation is not really all that good due to the networking issues, then I would rather the game dropped all pretence of having meaningful PvP and balanced everything from a PvE perspective. In other words - focus on the players fun and challenges vs. the game, not vs the incredibly rare encounter with another player that will, in any case, be a completely one sided battle if one commander is prepared for PvP and the other isn't. /rant...
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Show me a car that has been sold with only an engine, chassis, and seats as a "release" model, then had the dealer tell you the rest will come in 10 years.
This game is a "full release". It really isn't, though. It is still very much comparable to most early access games, yet costs as much as a AAA title (multiple times over).
Ah fair - though I still get where the developers are coming from that people should be ready for action and being attacked. PvP *should* be great but some people are pathetic and get their kicks beating way inferior targets - within the role-play that'd be pretty rare and such CMDR's would be the targets of much mickey-taking and joking at the station bar - there'd be not an ounce of respect for someone who thought they were great for shooting new pilots out of the sky just as a tough guy who keeps beating up girls and kids isn't respected much in our real world.Sorry, I was unclear there
Edit: And, as the PvP implementation is not really all that good due to the networking issues, then I would rather the game dropped all pretence of having meaningful PvP and balanced everything from a PvE perspective. In other words - focus on the players fun and challenges vs. the game, not vs the incredibly rare encounter with another player that will, in any case, be a completely one sided battle if one commander is prepared for PvP and the other isn't. /rant...
Within the intended balance it should be great - there was a very happy post the other day from a player who'd had a proper PvP pirate encounter, dropped the requested cargo and been allowed to leave
This is my problem with it though - in an open game like Elite nobody will ever be evenly matched. And, with the rarity of PvP encounters once you have left the starting system your ship builds will be miles away from being optimal for PvE if you do choose to take the challenge. Me personally - if I want PvP I play Counter-Strike
Anyways, that is slightly off topic, but the lack of a proper crim and punishment system in an MMO like this is another reason for disappointment. FDev simply haven't got the experience to release a proper, functioning, PvP MMO, and they should have just avoided it entirely in my opinion.
Long thread CBA'd to read it all, but will just say this..
Love this game and put way to many hours into it even after more than a year of playing..
I understand that people want more, we all do..
but to those that complain incessantly about the state of ED, show me a Space game that does it better
Love this game and put way to many hours into it even after more than a year of playing..
I understand that people want more, we all do..
but to those that complain incessantly about the state of ED, show me a Space game that does it better
I have noticed a trend frequenting these forums of people posting massive threads that list the ways in which this game is boring, buggy or broken compared to other games they have enjoyed in the past. They then receive a wave of responses that boil down to either yes they are right or no the game is not for them/take a break.
They go on to explain that frontier have got it wrong and that the player base is shrinking and we need to have X,Y and Z in the game before it will be fun. It seems to me though that its all gone to Frontiers plan and we have so far received exactly what they intended (bar a few bugs which is expected in any game that is still being developed.)
To my knowledge, there is a 10 year plan for this game that started less than 2 years ago. We got a base game for the cost of a regular game and an alpha release of 1 expansion pack. There is 4 updates planned for this first expansion throughout its 'early access' stage and then when its complete it will in total have added quite a lot of new content to the base game. Over the rest of the 10 year plan they intend to release possibly 8-9 more expansions (seasons) and in there 'early access' stage too so people can get the new content as soon as possible but essentially its not the complete expansion being released until the last update of that season.
The problem seems to be that we are all involved in the early stages of this 10 year development and many seem to be expecting all of those future features now. Thinking about this game in 2 or 3 seasons time, there will be a base game that is addictive enough that it hooks you in. Its one of those games that makes you completely forget about time and is sandbox enough that you choose how to spend it. The ships are Great, combat is solid, all the base ingredients are there to hook you in and make you want more.
People will be able to buy the base game, if they like it they can buy some of the expansions, each one adding a chunk of new things to do. If you really like the game then you wont mind buying extras for a richer game experience. If you don't like it, well you only bought the base game and its not a major loss. As far as I can see this is Frontiers plan and we are just going to have to remember that we are playing a base game that needed to introduce people to the elite universe so that if they liked it, they would buy the expansions too to get the most out of the game. If they continue to add as many features through the rest of the seasons as is promised with this one, then in 3-4 years time this game is going to be very rich in features and content.
So lets play the waiting game, enjoy the game for what it is right now and DON'T burn out on it as it is still in the early stages of a long development plan. Given the options of either wait 5 years before you can start playing a game that is half way through the development plan or wait 0 years and start playing now in a game that is just starting the long development plan I know which I choose.
I welcome all the comments that explain how I am wrong, but please lets just cheer up and enjoy what there is right now. Then put it down, enjoy something else for a while and come back when there is more to do. This game has huge potential, I believe that it will hit most of that potential but jeez, we need to show them some patience while they make it happen.
"Rome wasn't built in a day"
(and they're trying to make a whole freaking universe!
Without going into what I would normally explain as an "Educated long winded rant about how much I disagree; and why you are misleading the discussion" , I just point out a relate-able scenario. ( It's probably going to be long winded )
Blizzard had a "10 year plan" for Diablo 3 when It was being developed and released.
They gutted the game during its first beta.
The playerbase was filled with "negative forum posts"
"It's okay guys, it's just the early stages of the game"
They backpedaled...hard. 2 solid years of realizing you don't design a game to be finished in 10 years, let alone 2 years.
All the points made about what the company would or wouldn't do to the game, they "humbly" folded their cards.
As of now, the game has gone in the "righter" direction, putting more emphasis on what the players "need" and want, over profit margins.
That being said, they are still a corporation, and have enough ego to fill a small US state; so the game and development is still plagued with repeated mistakes.
It's also filled with the same "have" and "have not" forum posts, including from the company itself, because it's starting to edge back into thinking it knows best....that 10 year plan coming to fruition.
There is an abundance of players who feel "appreciative" for what they have now, and also fearful that it could be taken away on a whim if Blizzard gets mad.
These are the types of folks that diminish progress / fairness, and allow for repeated mistakes in development. They forget that even game companies work for us, not the other way around, just like consumerism in the real world. One should not tread lightly in fear of retaliation, nor should they praise whatever is laid before them as if it is a rare commodity.
One does not have to be "cheery" to enjoy something, but one must have been dreary to know if it is enjoyable.
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On the topic of the quoted text above itself and its intent, I would suggest that people refrain from presuming that the game is just "going to get better" as the year goes by; or that it's going to take 8 more years before we can appreciate the scope and depth of what is in store of the game. That's a classic "long con" and/or risky investment / excuse. It's why investors don't call themselves Bond Buyers. It's also misleading to say that at any point we are "just paying for the base game", or that there has been "a few bugs". If the game needs 10 years for it to be 'adequate" enough for criticism ...then we are most certainly paying the lion's share of this deal; and those that keep forking over money every year are needlessly throwing money into the wind. To that extent, their business model and ethics are held to question, and the whole premise unravels.
Let's just call like it is. A game that's asking for your money year on end, still "in development", and requesting that you excuse everything until its done in the next 8 years.
Personally, I'm still waiting for last years "season" of the game to finally get finished. But that's naive, because they moved on to Horizons. So in my case, and others, the game is actually never going to complete. As is the cliche way of game development; and testimony to their business plan.
Long thread CBA'd to read it all, but will just say this..
Love this game and put way to many hours into it even after more than a year of playing..
I understand that people want more, we all do..
but to those that complain incessantly about the state of ED, show me a Space game that does it better
I enjoy it and will continue to play it. However, I won't be giving them any more money towards more seasons if they continue to follow this model. There is almost no communication. They delayed 2.1 without even telling us. We had to learn through a business report. It is almost 6 months in, and I still don't really know what I paid for. I have vague ideas about what this season will bring, but that's it. No clues as to how anything will work.
So, yeah, I'll continue to play it. Whether or not I continue to support it is the real question, and what really matters in the long run.
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