And some need a chill pill, my response was to the previous latin. I don't recall stating that I was professor of latin anywhere, just a friendly reply. Also nobody is singing from a hymn sheet. We are all adults and are entitled to come to our own conclusions and have our own opinions given the sparsity of the data to make the conclusions. It doesn't make me right, and it doesn't make you right. its just opinions.
2.1 - stop the hype train
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And some need a chill pill, my response was to the previous latin. I don't recall stating that I was professor of latin anywhere, just a friendly reply. Also nobody is singing from a hymn sheet. We are all adults and are entitled to come to our own conclusions and have our own opinions given the sparsity of the data to make the conclusions. It doesn't make me right, and it doesn't make you right. its just opinions.
...and the wake up pill is to chill. Patience. From the start Braben and co said it's an ongoing development. We all knew that when we bought 1.0. It was that or wait 5 years for a fleshed out product.
(on a sidenote; I've studied Latin, the most refined language in the world)
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Imagine if we could have a positive thread on the forums without folk like you repeatedly jumping in to dump all over it, announcing the game is dead/dying based on a bunch of assumptions.
Yeah yeah I know you're only doing it because you care so much about the game. [rolleyes]
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160.000 unique players in the last two weeks, sure the game has seen better numbers but I guess a few more people will launch the game again when 2.1 lands. Elite is alive, but feel free to tell everyone what you want.
It may have been prudent to delay ED for a year or two regardless. They could have probably got more work done without having to worry about running the game too, and the launch feature-set would have been more complete. Hell, the initial advertisements were rather misleading showing fast-paced combat (in and around stations no less) when the game is actually very slow-paced, and starting a fight near a station will get you flattened in short order. Of course maybe they didn't have the cash to keep the lights on without income from the first year of sales, but I don't have that information.
Selling what is essentially an alpha product for full price just doesn't sit well with the average consumer today. Most of us have been burned by so-called passion projects in the past and are understandably more cautious about where we spend our money.
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Oooh.....
I wish I got a penny every time someone foretells the end of Elite and Frontier's bankruptcy...
Hey, the forums could become a perpetual income machine. Don't you see it? /s
If they had delayed a year or two they'd have essentially released the same thing but with working mining, wings, power-play, CQC and some bug fixes. People still would have insisted that it wasn't a complete product.
Honestly do you think consumers really know at what stage an open world space game is ready to be called a complete game these days? It has a ridiculous amount of user types not always very predictable. You either give gamers 20 or so hours of scripted experience with a nice "your amazing" game over sequence or you put the game out there and hope it stands up on its own merits. It's very little wonder publishers aren't keen to back these kinds of projects.
and there we go with the assumptions. I play at least 20 hours a week, and still have so much to do, but then, I don't do power play.
Life also teaches to never ever allow yourself in any way shape or form be it in your career or in alternative focuses such as gaming to be at the full blown mercy of anyone else choices--isnt that what the easter bunny teaches...many baskets cmdrs. So if they truly bring it..great if not, not. If its still worth ones time and attention to play, great do so..if not, we ought not to be psycho-emotionally in a position to allow it to cause any nonphysical bleedout.
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I wish I got a penny every time someone foretells the end of Elite and Frontier's bankruptcy...
Now THAT is a sure-fire investment opportunity!
2.1 won't make Elite into Eve, or make people that don't like Elite suddenly change their mind, because if they don't like Elite, more Elite won't ever make them happy. "What have the Romans ever done for us?"
What 2.1 will do is add to the core game (for everyone - not just Horizons owners)
- A new mission system to the game with persistent NPC mission givers with faces.
- A wider range of status with minor and major factions.
- Bookmarks on the Galaxy map.
- Community goals on the Galaxy map.
- Huge beam lasers, huge pulse lasers, huge multi-cannons and large multi-cannons.
- Missiles getting buffed with slight increase to shield damage and more module damage when shields are down.
- Graphics buff for asteroid fields.
- Outfitting is getting a update to the UI.
- Make NPCs more dangerous, fix police ram-n-scan, hatch-breakers fired instead of missiles, chaff spamming and the barrel-roll-o-death.
None of these things are earth-shattering changes. But they are all improvements to the game, adding features (bookmarks) to the game we've been asking for since forever. Replacing the mission system with something more contextual and modular was critical to making more consumable content (better missions with multiple stages, linked to ability and faction standing).
All the additional Engineer content is Horizons (planet-side) only.
We'll be playing this next month in Beta.
I am in complete agreement here.
According to Steamspy there were roughly 78,000 unique players in the last 2 weeks, we can roughly double that to around 160,000 to include the non-steam players.
Lets say roughly half (80000) of those players have bought Horizons at £25.00, that is £2,000,000. That doesn't include the Beta access extra.
Not too bad and if 2.1 turns out to be good and adds a lot more to do on the surface then horizons will sell more.
But this is all guess work. There could be a lot more players. What people keep on posting about steam figures is the highest amount of players playing at the same time which is about 4-6000, not the total amount of players that have played in a day. That could be 20-30-40 thousand. We just don't know the full stats. But what we do know is that the player base on steam (78,000 different players in the last two weeks) is not bad in my eyes.
yeah: They've bled us white, the s. They've taken everything we had, and not just from us, from our fathers, and from our fathers' fathers.
Sure: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers.
REG: Yeah. All right, Stan. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?!
XERXES: The aqueduct?
REG: What?
XERXES: The aqueduct.
REG: Oh. Yeah, yeah. They did give us that. Uh, that's true. Yeah.
COMMANDO #3: And the sanitation.
LORETTA: Oh, yeah, the sanitation, Reg. Remember what the city used to be like?
REG: Yeah. All right. I'll grant you the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Romans have done.
MATTHIAS: And the roads.
REG: Well, yeah. Obviously the roads. I mean, the roads go without saying, don't they? But apart from the sanitation, the aqueduct, and the roads--
COMMANDO: Irrigation.
XERXES: Medicine.
COMMANDOS: Huh? Heh? Huh...
COMMANDO #2: Education.
COMMANDOS: Ohh...
REG: Yeah, yeah. All right. Fair enough.
COMMANDO #1: And the wine.
COMMANDOS: Oh, yes. Yeah...
FRANCIS: Yeah. Yeah, that's something we'd really miss, Reg, if the Romans left. Huh.
COMMANDO: Public baths.
LORETTA: And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now, Reg.
FRANCIS: Yeah, they certainly know how to keep order. Let's face it. They're the only ones who could in a place like this.
COMMANDOS: Hehh, heh. Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.
REG: All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
So bloody true, what have FD ever done for us....
I'm looking forward to Rainbow Lazers! I want my Huge Beam to be pink.
Everything else in the patch is just a bonus.
Everything else in the patch is just a bonus.
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Pink isn't a rainbow colour!