2.1 - stop the hype train

I'll be happy to be wrong on this one but reading between the lines suggest that Horizons has done very badly and thats why sales were defered in FDs statement. There can't really be any other reason. Unless you think its sold amazingly and FD are just having a laugh. Let us please apply some logic here.

I won't be happy at the demise of this franchise but if things dont change direction I suspect its coming.

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I don't follow. Isn't this just normal practice?

When you accept payment up front for a product or service which will be delivered incrementally over a period of time, you defer the sales over that period. Portions of the revenue will be recognised as release milestones are hit. Otherwise you risk having one blow-out period where you get lots of sales with minimal costs, then several subsequent periods with reduced/no sales and high costs.

You don't want the liability of revenue received but not yet earned, so you defer its recognition over the time to deliver. In FD's case, if the release 2.1 is delayed, then the recognition of deferred income is delayed as well.
 
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I don't follow. Isn't this just normal practice?

When you accept payment up front for a product or service which will be delivered incrementally over a period of time, you defer the sales over that period. Portions of the revenue will be recognised as release milestones are hit. Otherwise you risk having one blow-out period where you get lots of sales with minimal costs, then several subsequent periods with reduced/no sales and high costs.

You don't want the liability of revenue received but not yet earned, so you defer its recognition over the time to deliver. In FD's case, if the release 2.1 is delayed, then the recognition of deferred income is delayed as well.

Yes, that is correct. But this is how Chronic Complainers look at it:"everything is terrible, any random info is further proof that everything is terrible."
 
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I don't follow. Isn't this just normal practice?

When you accept payment up front for a product or service which will be delivered incrementally over a period of time, you defer the sales over that period. Portions of the revenue will be recognised as release milestones are hit. Otherwise you risk having one blow-out period where you get lots of sales with minimal costs, then several subsequent periods with reduced/no sales and high costs.

You don't want the liability of revenue received but not yet earned, so you defer its recognition over the time to deliver. In FD's case, if the release 2.1 is delayed, then the recognition of deferred income is delayed as well.

But 2.1 isn't a revenue generating activity....

Releasing Horizons was, and that revenue has already been taken into account.

The only thing 2.1 could do is hypothetically generate interest, which 'could' lead to further sales, but it's speculation. It could also be a catalyst that drives interest away from ED thus creating negative interest...

EDIT: Hence why it's really nice for people to remain optimistic / realistic, and play nicely! No more gravy train! Oh crap i'm on the wrong platform.. where's the hype train stop!?
 
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While I also agree with OP that 2.1 will not be the grand change that will silence all the complaining.

I am still hyped for bookmarkers the rest I'll check out with bated breath :D


And if those bookmarkers fail to be categorized and lack many more options because they were implemented half-ased, there will be hell to pay.



Edit: If anything I'm kinda worried about 2.1 since I'm still not sold on the idea of turning this into a damn looter with the crafting elements and all that nonsense.
 
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Yes, that is correct. But this is how Chronic Complainers look at it:"everything is terrible, any random info is further proof that everything is terrible."

Chronic complainers can sometimes be 'pulled back to the light', with some TNT up the , hey I'm proof. I'm looking forward to 2.1 to 'rectify' some issues I have against 'certain' mission rewards ;)

You'll never please terminal complainers, though. Just a hard fact. What can ya do!

EDIT: for some reason i'm not allowed to reference a hoofed mammal of the horse family with a braying call, typically smaller than a horse and with longer ears. MODERATORS, don't cut me out lol.


 
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Seriously, if it wasn't for the epic Forum battles/discussions/speculations over yet-unknown-and-untested-content ... the heck - what would we do in the meantime ?! :D

I'd say : let it roll!
After all, it can't be worse than PowerPlay(tm) or CQC(tm) [*]
[*] *lol* don't quote me on that! xD

We'll see when V2.1.00beta goes live...


Forum PVP.
 
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I don't follow. Isn't this just normal practice?

When you accept payment up front for a product or service which will be delivered incrementally over a period of time, you defer the sales over that period. Portions of the revenue will be recognised as release milestones are hit. Otherwise you risk having one blow-out period where you get lots of sales with minimal costs, then several subsequent periods with reduced/no sales and high costs.

You don't want the liability of revenue received but not yet earned, so you defer its recognition over the time to deliver. In FD's case, if the release 2.1 is delayed, then the recognition of deferred income is delayed as well.

Sounds perfectly reasonable.
But could, just in theory, that technique not also be used to keep bad horizons numbers (IF they were bad, which i'm in no position to determine) out of the upcoming financial report ?
And delay the bad news into the next financial year ?
Perhaps in hope that a successful planet coaster will come and save the day (speculation) ?
 
What is the real PROBLEM and a very big core problem in ED is the mission system. It is going on 2 years and still we have the same REALY crappy mission/quest system. Almost none make since and they are all exactly the same mission no matter where you go in the universe. None of the missions are true scaling/stacking missions. None make you feel like you are actually dong something that makes a difference or like you are part of that particular scenario. You need missions that suck you in to the plot of that particular mission. Take a page from some other mmorpg games and get the mission system right so the game can have a little more content and we are not just doing this dang grinding of the exact same missions over and over just changing the name of the faction. IT IS VERY BORING. just a week of it is nuts but 2 years....... come on there is no excuse for this FD. Oh and fix the dang AI ships that appear out of nowhere interdicting us right when we are about to reach a station. At least have the appear on the scanner first so we have a chance to dodge. Ai another topic that is still screwed up since release and still is not fixed. but for another day.
 
Should have delayed Horizons until June or so and released it with 2.1 and 2.2 integrated. This would have avoided most of the debate, I think.

Unfortunately, some of the bad press about Horizons was related to the pricing and upgrade confusion, which doesn't have anything to do with gameplay.
 
The solo/private players on the forums are convinced that E:D cannot fail. They don't understand how dead open play is.

2.1 really is a do-or-die patch because everyone is leaving the game....some solo/private group players will say "no one has quit, stop acting like the sky is falling!" But really they only think that because they haven't been to Open.

Open play is very lonely these days...so many groups have flat out quit ED, and the ones that are left have lost members.

FD doesn't care about open play, they refuse to give open players any sort of improvements to the game (such as: working crime system, player group system, incentivizing playing in open for PP, giving us better servers etc. ).


when 2.1 comes out and it's another patch that doesn't address any of the real problems that are making people leave (lack of player interaction) then what do you think is going to happen to open play?
 
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