Powerplay I hate my job and resent the success of others: Passive-Aggressive Power Play?

[Rubbernuke]

ramble:

As a 95% Solo player:

If I'm being honest Powerplay is too abstracted, and that it ends up number chasing rather than involving actual strategic combat.

The closest I've ever come to getting the 'real deal' is with the final hours of a battle for Kenna, where massed wings did patrol, attack and transport. It was great, and really electrified everyone.

The biggest issue is human nature, we seek balance and are naturally cautious. As my time with Powerplay goes on everything seeks the path of least resistance and equilibrium. We get comfortable and everything becomes muted.

If Open play was the norm I could see things becoming more heated, and that more teamwork would be needed to get things done, pulling away from monotonous grind by injecting danger into every trip. I fly an Anaconda with no weapons and paper shields all over, and only once have I come close to destruction when I got lazy.

The only time where I got that thrill was when Alexander the Grape decided my C grade Python was worth pirating in an Antal CG. The first time I got away, the second I fumbled and had to distract him with gold. But it was great! I'd do Open more often if I had the internet speed to get by, as its a right laugh. Some areas become slaughterhouses and you really have to want to go near them, and in wings.

/ramble

 

[Red Anders]

Its not logical and solo/pg mechanisms have entirely ruined the game experience.

Solo and private groups have ruined the game experience? That's the game experience that was advertised from day one as including solo and group play, thereby making them by definition two thirds of the very game experience that you say they have ruined? They may have ruined your game experience but unless you're David Braben I'm pretty certain in saying they haven't ruined the game experience.

Its sheer nonesense and is there to cater to the lowest common denominator.

Oh dear. Here we go again. 'People only need solo or group because they aren't good enough to play in open.' No matter how many diferent variations of that sentence people write (and I see reading on through your latest diatribe that you've written several) their only purpose is to feed your own ego.

If the only reason you can conceive that people may want to play in a private group or solo is that they are terrified of playing in open by virture of just not being good enough, the only thing it's a comment on is your crippling lack of insight.

Its also extremely anti-social

at least your post suggests strongly that this is an area you have some insight into...

...and for a game marketed as an MMO its also rather baffling.

Again, if you find the fact the game is marketed under the tagline 'blaze your own trail' to be suggestive of anything othe than players being able to play it however they damn well please, including in any one of the three advertised game modes, I'd suggest the problem you're having isn't grounded in the game and the way it is marketed but in your own inability to stop applying some kind of mental filter to the words that you read just because they don't seem to sit comfortably against your own internalised view of what they should say.

I look at the way we are allowed to have conflict in this game and it amounts to kid gloves,

See 'egocentric nonsense' as referenced above.

a grinding competition in which FD have cooked up elaborately indirect ways in which confict takes place: Who can shoot more bots or who can truck more stuff.

So basically using the same mechanics to allow players to earn resources as pretty much every game since the dawn of time then? Wow, the crazy fools!

Its all the more frustrating because the game has such awesome potential and great core game dynamics such as the control systems of our ships. FD have in effect limited the game through their own restrictions on what they deem enjoyable game play and in doing so I feel they have done an injustice to all the great work that the devs have done on the game.

So to paraphrase, FD have limited the game that FD created and in doing so FD have done an injustice to FD. Mkay. You'll forgive me if I don't address that point specifically because I'm worried that if I do, I may do myself an injustice somehow by writing the thing I wanted to write.

I've said it before during development but the game feels like its been made for people at the old folks home.

See 'egocentric nonsense' as referenced above.

ED could be stellar, an epic game but its never going to be when its like this.

Genuine question. If it's so terrible, wouldn't a better alternative for you be going to find something else that you do want to play instead of constantly bemoaning the fact that this game apparently isn't it?

Incidentally, if you want to know the prime reason I don't play in open, it's because every other online game I have ever played has been filled with 'get gud' egocentric clowns like you who are so high on their own hubris that they render themselves completely incapable of even recognising the fact that other players may have different motivations to theirs when gaming.

If that's a bit complicated for you I'll give you a summary. It's not because I'm 'scared' I wouldn't be able to handle it, it's because I don't consider interaction with people who display the arrogance and misplaced sense of self importance betrayed by your post to be a valid use of my leisure time.

How do you like them apples?

 

[Bigglesof206]

Goodness me,
I really, honestly, have no great desire to inflame the situation, but I have to compliment you on an intelligently phrased post, that's one of the best replies I've read in a long time.

Unfortunately the 'kill solo/group' lobby do not, and never will, understand that the supposed fear of losing our ships is probably the least of the reasons for playing in solo/private. some of us genuinely enjoy getting away from the rest of humanity for a few hours. So, sadly, your well crafted response will fall on deaf ears I'm afraid, but rest assured that it was appreciated as a work of art.

Dave

 

[Deebz__]

After playing for several hundred hours, I have to agree with the idea that including solo/private was a mistake. There just simply aren't enough players in this game to divide everyone in such a way. I can understand why people would want those options, but sometimes I have to double check to make sure I clicked on open... it's just so empty.

This is especially true for the topic of this thread. The idea of the game is that of a persistant galaxy being shared by everyone. So in my humble opinion, everyone should fly in the same galaxy too.

 

[Bigglesof206]

Excuse me?
I'm happy enough playing with a mere 20,000 or so folk who share my dislike of pew pewing everything that moves, and we're all quite happy with the way we see each other now and again, say hi, have a short chat perhaps, and move on - but you think we should all be forced to play with you because....what, you don't like the dark or something? YOU miss everyone else, so we all have to be shovelled in to make the game the way YOU want it to be? Give me strength,

Dave

 

[Deebz__]

Wow, I guess the reputation this forum has is true. If you have an opinion that someone else doesn't agree with, you become their public enemy #1. Nice to see we're all grown up here.

I saw this topic and simply cast my opinion. I have no history or knowledge of previous discussions on this subject. How is that persistence?

For the record Biggles, I rarely shoot other players. I interdict people to be a slight troll sometimes, but end up simply making friends with most of them after a chat. Open isn't that scary of a place.

 

[Quantrix]

Got to hand it to these guys: if nothing else they are persistent. The "Open Vs" argument gets made constantly in thread after thread after thread,
and there's no end in sight. I haven't figured out if they keep at it as a form of forum trolling or if they really believe that the constant posts will get FD's attention. The economics aren't going to change in this regard, and so neither is ED, but still they persist.

Let's just start reporting them for "trolling", "off-topic", or something similar. The forum rules include:

2. No Trolling or Flaming
9. No Spam
15. No Off-Topic
16. Thread hijacking
18. Circular Threads

 

[Red Anders]

After playing for several hundred hours, I have to agree with the idea that including solo/private was a mistake. There just simply aren't enough players in this game to divide everyone in such a way. I can understand why people would want those options, but sometimes I have to double check to make sure I clicked on open... it's just so empty.

This is especially true for the topic of this thread. The idea of the game is that of a persistant galaxy being shared by everyone. So in my humble opinion, everyone should fly in the same galaxy too.

The game has 100 billion systems. What effect do you think that may have on your chances of finding other players?

By the way the idea of the game is specifically that it has three modes in which players share a persistant galaxy. It's not some crazy oversight, that's what the guy who created it and is MD of the company said the idea of the game was. Without trying to come across as harsh, you can file your opinion of that fact under 'irrelevant'. It would be different if you'd been led to believe otherwise but you weren't. You're another one for the selective reading club I assume; read the bits you like but your eye just kind of slides over the rest without taking it in, or believing that it was actually real.

Oh one more thing. It's not my job to provide your entertainment in my spare time, sorry about that and everything. I'm here for my entertainment, not yours. Genuinely, I'm sad for you that you're not having fun because I tend to think people having fun is a good thing but my empathy doesn't extend to making decisions about how to spend my own fun time to try to alleviate your problem.

Wow, I guess the reputation this forum has is true. If you have an opinion that someone else doesn't agree with, you become their public enemy #1. Nice to see we're all grown up here.p

Not sure what reputation you heard this forum has but I agree with you completely that we're all grown ups and should act like it. Not coming out with hyperbole like 'disagree and you're someone's public enemy #1' when all they have done is write a paragraph would probably be a good place to start mate. When we have a discussion, you get to express your opinion and other people get to express theirs. Sometimes their opinion will be that yours has little validity because it doesn't appear to be an informed opinion. Such is life.

I saw this topic and simply cast my opinion. I have no history or knowledge of previous discussions on this subject. How is that persistence?

He specifically said 'these guys' meaning that he was referring to a subset of players with a similar mindset when it comes to this topic, not you in isolation.

For the record Biggles, I rarely shoot other players. I interdict people to be a slight troll sometimes, but end up simply making friends with most of them after a chat. Open isn't that scary of a place.

Oh no, you had to do it didn't you? Last sentence too. I am sad.

 

[SamSlade]

This thread has basically confirmed that I shouldn't be recommending this game to my friends: thank you for a wonderful new player experience

 

[Red Anders]

This thread has basically confirmed that I shouldn't be recommending this game to my friends: thank you for a wonderful new player experience

Personally I make decisions about whether to play games based on the game. Having said that I also engage in discussions rather than flouncing out. Sorry that we couldn't arrange for everybody to agree with you.

 

[Deebz__]

I'm honestly impressed Anders, the amount of effort you put into arguing someone's opinion is impressive. I'll give you bonus points for the amount of passive aggressiveness in your posts as well, makes you come across as even more of a tightass.

I never said anything about not having fun. All I'm saying is that it would allow for more interaction, since most players stay within the bubble. I also believe believe it would add challenge in the sense that people wouldn't be able to undermine without opposition in solo, as this thread suggests. That's all I have to say, you can give it a rest now.

This thread has basically confirmed that I shouldn't be recommending this game to my friends: thank you for a wonderful new player experience

In my experience at least, people in the game itself tend to be alot easier to get along with. Don't blame you either way though.

 

[SamSlade]

Personally I make decisions about whether to play games based on the game. Having said that I also engage in discussions rather than flouncing out. Sorry that we couldn't arrange for everybody to agree with you.

To discuss is to present reasoned arguments based on the presented topic and shaped by the reasoned arguments made to support or rebut said topic: you have offered ad hominem and smug, supercilious condescension with not a reasoned argument or assertion in sight. Further, despite your flagrant 'baiting', your posts have remained pointless, off-topic drivel without any sign of moderation.

So again, thank you all for welcoming me to the community(generally an integral part of an MMO game): I'll be sure to stick around until I'm banned from the forums for calling someone a PKer, troll, ganker or griefer... oh wait...

 

[Red Anders]

I'm honestly impressed Anders, the amount of effort you put into arguing someone's opinion is impressive. I'll give you bonus points for the amount of passive aggressiveness in your posts as well, makes you come across as even more of a tightass.

I never said anything about not having fun. All I'm saying is that it would allow for more interaction, since most players stay within the bubble. I also believe believe it would add challenge in the sense that people wouldn't be able to undermine without opposition in solo, as this thread suggests. That's all I have to say, you can give it a rest now.


In my experience at least, people in the game itself tend to be alot easier to get along with. Don't blame you either way though.

There was no aggression, passive or otherwise. I'm fairly direct and I say what I mean, that's all.

I inferred from your post that you were'nt having fun. If you are and were merely describing a way you think you would have more then as I said, that's a good thing.

As far as the issue of undermining in private groups and solo is concerned though, there was an excellent thread started by one of the mods about why the degrtee to which it's actually an issue is a bit of a fallacy - I would link it but it would take me a while to find it and I have to head off to work - perhaps someone else will ifthey see this post, if not I will try to find it and link it when I get home.

Just on your last line though, which I realise was directed at another player, I do find it a bit remarkable that the fact I make two posts which simply disagree with your point as marking out someone as being 'hard to get along with'. Is agreeing with you about everything a requirement for you to get along with someone?

 

[Red Anders]

To discuss is to present reasoned arguments based on the presented topic

Yeah I did that. I assume you missed it in your hurry to be offended.

...you have offered ad hominem and smug, supercilious condescension with not a reasoned argument or assertion in sight.

Physician, heal thyself.

As for 'flagrant baiting', when I join a new forum I tend to hang around and do some reading before I leap into posting. The topic of undermining in private/solo has been done to death, resurrected and killed again at least 5 times since I've been a member here. I don't see the point in repeatedly making what are basically the same posts about the same topic when far more informed players than me have already explained in breathtaking detail why this idea that solo and private are a critical problem when it comes to undermining.

There was no baiting in my post at all. Yours however did seem intended to provoke a response since it was essentially an attack on the community or at least those members of it who happen to disagree with you.

The reason I didn't feel the need to welcome you to the forum community by the way was that the first post I saw of yours was one in which you trashed it. I sure you can undertstand it would have felt somewhat redundant at that point. I hope you stick around, enjoy the game and also the forums; however if you're someone who tends to notice comments that you perceive to be negative and fixate on them rather than focusing on the vast amounts of useful information, intelligent discussion and witty banter that appears all around them, any forum is going to seem unwelcoming.

Welcome to the forums.

 

[SamSlade]

Yeah I did that. I assume you missed it in your hurry to be offended.



Physician, heal thyself.

As for 'flagrant baiting', when I join a new forum I tend to hang around and do some reading before I leap into posting. The topic of undermining in private/solo has been done to death, resurrected and killed again at least 5 times since I've been a member here. I don't see the point in repeatedly making what are basically the same posts about the same topic when far more informed players than me have already explained in breathtaking detail why this idea that solo and private are a critical problem when it comes to undermining.

There was no baiting in my post at all. Yours however did seem intended to provoke a response since it was essentially an attack on the community or at least those members of it who happen to disagree with you.

The reason I didn't feel the need to welcome you to the forum community by the way was that the first post I saw of yours was one in which you trashed it. I sure you can undertstand it would have felt somewhat redundant at that point. I hope you stick around, enjoy the game and also the forums; however if you're someone who tends to notice comments that you perceive to be negative and fixate on them rather than focusing on the vast amounts of useful information, intelligent discussion and witty banter that appears all around them, any forum is going to seem unwelcoming.

Welcome to the forums.

smug, supercilious condescension

Can we have this thread locked? It's clearly a wasted effort being here.

 

[Yaffle]

smug, supercilious condescension

Can we have this thread locked? It's clearly a wasted effort being here.

Done and done.