The Star Citizen Thread v 4
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"Ben Lesnick, developer" said all they have to do for VR is turn on the switch or something at the end. I mean, he should know. having never done any VR software at any point in his career, having never attended any VR conferences, having never coded anything in any engine for VR. He just knows.
It's so horrible to compare two space sims, I know - but what a contrast. Both companies have employees massively keen on VR, who recognize what a disruptive technology it is and how it brings the ultimate in immersion. Both companies have some smart people on their teams! Frontier staff are really keen on VR despite it being the dawn of the DK1. Braben lets them add it in early on and it brings tons of press and a surprisingly large amount of the playerbase. They make sure things are optimized enough to work in VR and don't make drastically stupid animation or camera decisions. They are there at the launch of consumer VR.
Roberts talks about VR, raises money on VR, dodges it for YEARS on end and makes countless decisions diametrically opposed to a good VR experience. He's got employees too who are keen to do it. What does he do? Ignores them, lets it slide, misses his opportunity to ride the wave... makes more excuses, claims the tech isn't ready yet, reprioritizes, deprioritizes, refactors the reprioritization, tells drunk fans at Bar Citizen that it needs to be sunglasses first. VR enthusiast and CIG employee Jon Dadley goes off to do VR experiences on the side as his twitter feed announces he's a VR dev by night and a CIG employee by day. It doesn't occur to anyone to perhaps let him be a CIG VR dev and maybe, I dunno, think about how things will work in VR and implement basic functionality for Rift and Vive now that they are out and better HMDs and better cards to drive them are around the corner, certainly out before SC... But, no! Further excuses are made, magic Germans are invoked but in this case, useless. "Ben Lesnick, developer" assures us it's all fine and easy to do.
Uh huh.
It's so horrible to compare two space sims, I know - but what a contrast. Both companies have employees massively keen on VR, who recognize what a disruptive technology it is and how it brings the ultimate in immersion. Both companies have some smart people on their teams! Frontier staff are really keen on VR despite it being the dawn of the DK1. Braben lets them add it in early on and it brings tons of press and a surprisingly large amount of the playerbase. They make sure things are optimized enough to work in VR and don't make drastically stupid animation or camera decisions. They are there at the launch of consumer VR.
Roberts talks about VR, raises money on VR, dodges it for YEARS on end and makes countless decisions diametrically opposed to a good VR experience. He's got employees too who are keen to do it. What does he do? Ignores them, lets it slide, misses his opportunity to ride the wave... makes more excuses, claims the tech isn't ready yet, reprioritizes, deprioritizes, refactors the reprioritization, tells drunk fans at Bar Citizen that it needs to be sunglasses first. VR enthusiast and CIG employee Jon Dadley goes off to do VR experiences on the side as his twitter feed announces he's a VR dev by night and a CIG employee by day. It doesn't occur to anyone to perhaps let him be a CIG VR dev and maybe, I dunno, think about how things will work in VR and implement basic functionality for Rift and Vive now that they are out and better HMDs and better cards to drive them are around the corner, certainly out before SC... But, no! Further excuses are made, magic Germans are invoked but in this case, useless. "Ben Lesnick, developer" assures us it's all fine and easy to do.
Uh huh.
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Refactoring it you meanagain, one more time for the road Ay blink blink.
It's the truth however, much of the refactoring came from what happened to the original scope, one bigger game but with the need to scrap a lot done till then to reach it.
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What boarding was CR talking about then? I thought it was this.
Yup, so many JPEG'S crashed in that money burn, napkin management at its finest.
I think majority of criticism leveled at CIG is a knee jerk reaction to their bold claims: BDSSE, realistic physics, first person universe, saviour of PC gaming and all that, along with comparisons of what SC will be (or is supposed to be) to what ED and other games are right now.
Nevermind
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I wouldn't know for sure. The actual boarding ship > ship, with the docks and so on, that's not in-game, this comes with the e-war (able to completely disable a ship), and if you saw the Piping Systems video of stations, it's also part of mechanics used on boarding (hacking doors, switches, destruction, messing with inner atmosphere, disabling gravity, etc...).
Mostly yeah, its like this. You got a rock in your hand, its a rock, its heavy you can feel it right there. Then someone comes up to you and say, "hi mate, look at my rock, its made of gold and diamonds and .. .. .. stuff" You look at him and say "but mate there is nothing in you hand?" .. .. .. "sure there is, can't you see it? it looks awesome, its much better than that boring rock you got there mate!"
You look at your rock, and then at his empty hand, then throw your rock at his face, dude pass out, and you take your rock and leave -_-
Seams real enough to me
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He was talking about the minimum viable legal excuse to tick it's box and claim it's done.
So yes you can "board" a ship, as long as your definition of boarding includes glitching through the hull to beat anyone foolish enough to use the ladder.
That's it, that's all you are getting.
Next up mining, which will not extend beyond selling mining hats* at the space mall.
*batteries are extra
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In the interests of managing expectations and scope creep I'd like to point out that none of this is implemented or likely at this stage.
I thought we'd established beyond doubt that it's VR's fault it doesn't work with SC not the other way around - VR simply hasn't caught up yet!
When the SC saga finishes I'll miss Major Tom's videos, dude is hilarious.
This mechanics are NOT scope creep, there's actual fluff that is scope creep, this one is not fluff over gameplay.
If they are already, and they shown this on the Piping System videos, displaying the mechanics that allows us to: disable gravity of a space, mess with its atmosphere (as breaking a window), hacking terminals, or by force opening a door, and so on...
Then they are already working on the kind of mechanics that were also described for the Ship Boarding mechanic, over ofc what's set for the Space Stations, so it's actively undergoing development.
But of course everything about Star Citizen here has to be bad and awful so... booo that!
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So in other words we should just take CIG's word that all this stuff is not just another over-hyped mechanic that will be dropped, terrible or was already in the game all along.
Based on CIG's track record it'll never happen.
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LOL, yeah he do find some funny ones, remember its pre pre pre pre pre Alpha, so no worries at all.
[video=youtube;xXYLZVhIqjs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXYLZVhIqjs[/video]
Interesting video:
[video=youtube;OTs9-jMwHqk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTs9-jMwHqk[/video]
This guy was just trying to share his experience about SC so far,he was not ranting or being rude in any way just didn't go with the cult-flow so check out some of the negativity in the comments and as usual their down-rate of this video....
[video=youtube;OTs9-jMwHqk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTs9-jMwHqk[/video]
This guy was just trying to share his experience about SC so far,he was not ranting or being rude in any way just didn't go with the cult-flow so check out some of the negativity in the comments and as usual their down-rate of this video....
Based on your opinion it'll never happen you mean. It's not just words, go check the Piping Videos and see the mechanics in action and how they are testing them, it looks really cool for me and it's exactly what i am expecting gameplay-wise when it comes to breaching into both a space-station, and one enemy ship, adds one level of strategy as well in how you can approach it differently, that is very interesting. If for you it's all crap, horrible and terrible (remember it's SC so all has to be bad and awful
), it's up to you.
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Yeah, I was aware of the requirements for getting exemptions, I'm just surprised that it works this way. The rules are clearly there with the intention of allowing small startups to operate without having to worry about too much paperwork, but it seems like a loophole for a large multi-dollar organization to reap the same benefits as long as they don't run too much money through the company.
As you said, the exemptions CIG has makes getting useful information out of their accounts almost impossible, which defeats the purpose of mandating their filing in the first place. As it stands right now, the only people who can ask for an audit of Foundry 42 (and only Foundry 42) are Chris and Erin Roberts since they hold the 10% of shares required to make such a request, and even then the audit would only be for shareholders' eyes only.
Their financials may be due in late September, but given what happened with their 2014 accounts it's not unlikely that they'll miss the deadline and pay fines for it instead.
CIG did mention getting UKTI's help in structuring the business in the UK, with maximizing tax credits being one of the goals, so they're probably profiting from having things they way they are.
Not really, you can board a ship the same way you board a plane at the airport; i.e. you walk in through the open door when the vehicle is parked.
Or maybe he meant boarding like in a boarding school. Immersion beds are already implemented in the game for players to wake up in and go back to, so boarding is definitely included, nobody can argue otherwise.
Silly me for thinking that there'd actually be action-packed pirate-style boarding when I backed SC! Don't know where I got that idea from!
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