List of combat loggers has reached 250 recorded loggers, with 322 total logs. Frontier, this is a problem

[Vasious]

Yes that's on the forum though not on reddit.

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But.. the list is on Reddit? We were talking about how it ain't shaming on Reddit.

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The OP originally contained a link to said list on reddit bring it here, effectively
If a Pirate list on Reddit was linked to here, the same result would happen re naming and shaming I am sure, based on past observations

 

[Muetdhiver]

Oh good. I was wondering that myself. Thought I must be missing something.

Because some cannot enjoy a win if someone else does not lose something.
Deny this to such people, and you deny their 5s of happiness when they show up their 1337 PvP skillz in their FDL by shooting an ASP at an exploration CG.

Then again, these are the same people logging out when proper opponents hunt them in eravate & such areas.

 

[Derath]

In b4 this doesn't matter because I obviously never have to deal with it.

Ope! Too late

 

[Fendalton]

I've just stopped playing the game in disgust with the attitudes of this community and the pathetic handling of PR by FD, I thought I was putting my money behind a dev team that had a dream to make a great game. In reality I gave money to people who are so cowardly they bow to a howling mob of maybe 30 people who hardly play the game at all. Back playing Eve where people can't combat log and where the company that owns the game has no fear of banning cheats and would never dream of terminating someones account for the benefit of a private group that can't enforce it's own rules, FD you are laughable, no serious gamer can ever take Elite Dangerous seriously, there is nothing about it that requires Elite skills and at the first sign of Danger it's officially ok to pull the plug, in Eve it used to be a thing that you took 5 minutes to log out and this was exploited by super capital and Titan pilots who would log as soon as they were tackled, the answer to this disgusting tactic was the 15 minute agro timer, where if you logged out within 15 minutes of a plyer interaction your ship stayed until this timer expired, if you were located during this time and attacked, the timer refreshed, even if the player is offline. Some people cried about not being able to be bad sports and filed petitions etc, no one got their ships back, the attitude of CCP is their game is good, if you aren't good enough at it to keep your ship from blowing up thats not their fault or responsibility

This is why Elite will never see its 10 year goal.

 

[Comrade Error]

The OP originally contained a link to said list on reddit bring it here, effectively
If a Pirate list on Reddit was linked to here, the same result would happen re naming and shaming I am sure, based on past observations

Oh I see the confusion. I just assumed OP wasn't clear that you can't link to shaming lists on the forums and I thought that Hippy was talking about generaly naming and shaming menu loggers. Whether on Reddit or the forums.

 

[Rinzler o7o7o7]

I want people's honest opinion on this:

A large portion of the listed videos are from AA members hunting newbie killers. Is it okay for notorious newbie killers to take the 15s "legal" log when faced with proper opponents? It's just a "sign of defeat" right?

 

[Kyokushin]

Workaround is simple - menu exit should have more delay and should be inefficient way to avoid escape from rebuy. Thats all.

... think the most people agree with that, unless they want to have a backdoor to log out.

 

[Yaffle]

The OP originally contained a link to said list on reddit bring it here, effectively
If a Pirate list on Reddit was linked to here, the same result would happen re naming and shaming I am sure, based on past observations

Indeed.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

And what you expect, they will tell a closing a game is bad? They should require from players 24/7/365 online? Maybe with 99.999999% ?

To be more precise and get more progress, they wrote their statement about closing the game in a avoid destruction purpose. They was pretty clear. You can find it if You like.

Is that how it works?

They said stuff!
Show me!
You can find it if you like!

Thing is, they didn't say the stuff you claim they said. You are making it up as you go along.

He lost the fight ireregardless.

Of course someone repeatedly pulling the plug is doing so with the intention of disrupting other player's gameplay (I reserve myself the right to read that from between the lines of "the social contract"), so a shadowban is warranted.

Too bad the OP and 3/4 of his associates would qualify for that sort of punishment as well.

Pulling the plug is cheating. No ifs or butts.

And indeed. I do love the delicious irony of an SDC member starting this thread. My heart, she bleeds for those poor doggies having to deal with this amount of distress

 

[Robert Maynard]

I want people's honest opinion on this:

A large portion of the listed videos are from AA members hunting newbie killers. Is it okay for notorious newbie killers to take the 15s "legal" log when faced with proper opponents? It's just a "sign of defeat" right?

Apparently newbie killing - like other rather unpleasant behaviours - is not against the rules of the game. The rules are often held up to excuse morally dubious behaviour.

Leaving the game without killing either the client or connection (i.e. not Combat Logging) is permitted by Frontier at any time - else the option to exit would not exist....

 

[Commandr Sam]

Because some cannot enjoy a win if someone else does not lose something.

People are objecting to a clear exploit in the game. Forum posts have had players boasting of it being used to avoid scans (while carrying illegal cargo), dying to over heating while exploring, avoiding combat with players and npcs to avoid rebuys and even avoiding having to undock from a station.

If someone posted a hack that allowed anyone to have unlimited money would you object to that?

 

[Kyokushin]

Is that how it works?

They said stuff!
Show me!
You can find it if you like!

Thing is, they didn't say the stuff you claim they said. You are making it up as you go along.

Pulling the plug is cheating. No ifs or butts.

And indeed. I do love the delicious irony of an SDC member starting this thread. My heart, she bleeds for those poor doggies having to deal with this amount of distress

I have no time to digg in open/solo/mode megathread so you can dig it by yourself. You said they dont told that, you can also proof that. Look for posts of Michael, Sandro or Zac.
Show me please every post of these persons related to combat log and proof they did not said exiting a game in avoid a destruction is wrong.

Are you trying to tell me, FD states the exiting a game in a purpose of avoid destruction/rebuy is fine? Please, show that.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I want people's honest opinion on this:

A large portion of the listed videos are from AA members hunting newbie killers. Is it okay for notorious newbie killers to take the 15s "legal" log when faced with proper opponents? It's just a "sign of defeat" right?

Define "okay".

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I have no time to digg in open/solo/mode megathread so you can dig it by yourself. You said they dont told that, you can also proof that. Look for posts of Michael, Sandro or Zac.

Ok, and I thank Liqua for this:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=251428&page=12&p=3904116&viewfull=1#post3904116

Hello Commanders!

To clarify: the official stance on exiting the game via the menu, at any point, is that it is legitimate. I suspect at some point we may increase the "in danger" countdown, but for now you just have to wait fifteen seconds.

Bye! [noob]

 

[Vasious]

I want people's honest opinion on this:

A large portion of the listed videos are from AA members hunting newbie killers. Is it okay for notorious newbie killers to take the 15s "legal" log when faced with proper opponents? It's just a "sign of defeat" right?

Cannot punish people for using the 15 second log out when it is not against the rules at present.
Punishment must be only meted out for breaking rules.
Find a rule they break

 

[Rinzler o7o7o7]

Also, this is relevant. You should all listen to yourselves right now!

 

[Robert Maynard]

I have no time to digg in open/solo/mode megathread so you can dig it by yourself. You said they dont told that, you can also proof that. Look for posts of Michael, Sandro or Zac.
Show me please every post of these persons related to combat log and proof they did not said exiting a game in avoid a destruction is wrong.

Sandro has commented at least twice, to my knowledge, on the topic of Combat Logging:

Hello Commanders!

This is a quick update to let you guys know what we’re looking at regarding the issue of “combat logging”.

For clarity’s sake, “combat logging” is when a Commander ungracefully exits the game (e.g. using ALT + F4 then shutting down the game process) to avoid defeat, destruction and damage.

Commanders might use this exploit the moment they are interdicted or the moment before they are about to be destroyed.

Although this is flagged primarily as a multiplayer concern, the issues (and solutions) apply equally to the single player game.

First things first: we do consider this an undesirable exploit. It’s not “part of the game”.

Because we don’t have an all powerful server running the moment-to-moment game play simulation, there is no infallible arbiter to take control of a player’s ship when they ungracefully exit.

So what we’re doing is logging telemetry that will help us detect when this exploit is explicitly being used.

Right now, all we’re doing (and have already started doing) is looking at and implementing methods of collecting and analysing data.

At some point, however, we will start to take action against Commanders using this exploit. I can only suggest that you should avoid using this exploit if you want to avoid any penalties issued for its use. I'll just repeat: please avoid combat logging - we're taking this issue very seriously.

On a related, but separate track, we’re looking at introducing benefits to Commanders that persevere and stick it out through dangerous encounters, as well as general credit costs and rewards balancing.

I’m not quite ready to talk about these in more detail just now. Obviously though, they can never counter the potential costs of ship destruction, but we want to look at a range of disincentives and incentives both to counter this issue.

I hope this helps clarify our position a little.

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Hello Commanders!

To clarify: the official stance on exiting the game via the menu, at any point, is that it is legitimate. I suspect at some point we may increase the "in danger" countdown, but for now you just have to wait fifteen seconds.

However, we can't speak for how other Commanders view such actions.

For the record, when we talk about "combat logging" at Frontier, we mean the act of ungracefully exiting the game (either by ALT-F4 type procedures or by cutting the network traffic).

 

[Mephane]

Sign of defeat, fair enough. If anyone exits the game through the menu mid-fight, I think we can all agree that he lost that fight.

Well, this doesn't work for someone who doesn't fight in order to claim themselves victor, but in order to cause the other party financial damage. Not that I am condoning the latter, but it is part of the emotional investment some PvPers have - that the victory is only ever worthwhile if the other player has to pay a rebuy screen and grind for 2 hours to recuperate.

 

[Derath]

Well its another great point in the eternal debate of why don't the PvP players police the game for the solo'ers mobius and now apparently FD too

I'm not sure i've ever played a game where the developer supports their multiplayer as poorly as this one, as Phillips says we are an insignificant portion of the population (Pvp'ers not combat loggers) just delete open and promote mobius to the new Open with hostile commanders turned off, their review scores will go up and they'll stop having to listen to this part of the game they apparently want though their actions consistently prove otherwise.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Also, this is relevant. You should all listen to yourselves right now!

That's good advice.

That picture also works the other way around doesn't it?

Infiltrating a mode with the intent to be pillock = funny as hell
Someone exits a game so you don't get to kill them = drama

 

[Vasious]

Also, this is relevant. You should all listen to yourselves right now!

https://gyazo.com/f2574f927b7f1f0234639c997f1cdf42.png

Falling back to Memes, because?
Ridicule of those that disagree will be more successful?