The Star Citizen Thread v 4

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Since it is still in the developing it is hard to call it scam.

So we're in suspended animation until such time when Chris Roberts deems it "completed"? And then what? Mind you, CIG stated in written form that Star Citizen, as far as the Kickstarter is concerned, has been delivered as promised.

EDIT: Regarding the posting of videos: Please do post videos, but preferably ones with new content.
 
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Nope, it is just strange to expect normality here.

The actual thread doesn't have some magical enviromental abnormality aura.
It's the posters that make the thread and you're one of them.
But let me guess, it's everyone elses fault right?
 
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So is it midnight Pacific time tonight that we find out if ToS-gate causes the end of the world, or if it is just another damp squib?

Is there any good feedback coming out of PTU about transition to PU, or is it still little or no clear brief on when it will drop?
 
So is it midnight Pacific time tonight that we find out if ToS-gate causes the end of the world, or if it is just another damp squib?

I don't know what you're expecting. CiG will probably claim that everyone accepted the new ToS and refuse refunds on those grounds. Perhaps they'll even wait for people to sue them. If you want a refund and they deny it, good luck to you. However I personally know of at least 2 people who are not going to try to get their refunds through anymore because they've "accepted" that the money is lost. They're simply not backing any crowdfunded stuff anymore as a result.

Is there any good feedback coming out of PTU about transition to PU, or is it still little or no clear brief on when it will drop?

I'd love to know that too, but I'm afraid it might be another one of those "we're not going to tell you dates because you might expect us to stick to them" things again.
 
To be perfectly clear here. If you back Star Citizen, or any other game via crowd funding. The money is gone the very moment it is spend. Whatever happens. Whether or not the project is successful or fails, the money is not coming back. Crowdfunding is not really a form of investment and anyone should know this in advance.

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Also a game development company has expenses. 300 People want to get paid and the offices and tools to develop a game are not exactly cheap. I can perfectly understand why CIG would deny refunds whenever someone has a change of heart.

The other thing is I know why Smart and Goons are always so much about initiating refunds. Think about it, they don't care about the personal welfare of disgruntled backers but have something else in mind. What they want to cause and that much is obvious by their year long smear campaign is to trigger a refund cascade. Mass refunds, project is getting more delays or sized down in scope which causes more doubts and more refund request. Why else would someone like Smart spend all of his time writing page upon page of his blog, posting constantly on Twitter, even visiting other game forums to spread his ?

The Smarties thought it would be easy but they underestimated how passionate the SC community actually is.

I really don't understand your thinking. I posted a link that not one backer of the star citizen has even touched upon. All I have heard is attacks and comments that sa is attacking with a mighty force on the world of star citizen.

The smear attack on star citizen is not a personal crusade more a shock on how much fud is coming out of 1 games development. Its a constant source of laughs about how badly it is being managed.

If you think a forum is hurting star citizen then think about how its practises and cruddy game (alpha) is when thinking of those refunds. DS points stuff out he isn't a leader but makes posts. I and you can read them and go our ways but no matter what he types the proof is in the game.

Star Citizen does not have much going for it. a few stations buy some pants and jank about. People have put thousands into it which is insane for any game and that alone deserves a thread by its self, despite it having a fraction of the features promised. Yet people defend it as if its hit mile stone upon mile stone. Its most recent addition is persistence which on all appearances seems to be saving the stuff you brought in a shop. If that is worth cheering then go ahead but don't tell me its great and ground breaking.
 
To be perfectly clear here. If you back Star Citizen, or any other game via crowd funding. The money is gone the very moment it is spend. Whatever happens. Whether or not the project is successful or fails, the money is not coming back. Crowdfunding is not really a form of investment and anyone should know this in advance.

Whilst it's true that from a personal point of view it makes sense to write off such expenditure the point is that it's still a purchase. You pay x amount of money on the understanding that you're going to get what you paid for more or less when they said you'd get it.

It's not a donation. If their pitch was "just give us some money and we'll try and give you a game at some point" I wouldn't have put anything in.

I've been involved in 2 crowd funded games now - ED & SC (both just after Kickstarter finished). One delivered and the other hasn't.
 
Has this been posted before?

CLOUD IMPERIUM GAMES

Last year, developer Chris Roberts promised to show up in person at the 2016 PC Gaming Show to talk about Star Citizen. However, Polygon has learned that Roberts will not be on hand. Cloud Imperium will not be participating in the PC Gaming Show despite agreeing several months ago to do so.

A representative for Cloud Imperium tells us that Roberts sent PC Gamer his regrets just a few weeks ago, saying that his schedule won't allow for a trip to Los Angeles. In fact, the studio is skipping E3 entirely.

Instead, the spokesperson tells us that Roberts will be devoting all his efforts to work on Squadron 42 at his studio in England. The rep added that the studio will have something to show at Gamescom in August.

Source: http://www.polygon.com/2016/5/30/11720714/what-to-expect-from-the-pc-gaming-show
 
Edit Sorry this was supposed to be a reply about Mark Skelton leaving.

Actually to be fair he said in his leaving letter it was due to travelling to LA a lot that was the reason for his decision. That was affecting his family etc. Bluepoint Games are in Austin.
 
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You know, poor america, no free health care. You need money and a job.
Should he start working at mcdonalds?


Huh? I never said that he should work at McDonalds to make end meet, nor advocating such.

I was just trying to figure out why one of the most important members of the CiG team, the Art Director no less, has suddenly left one of the biggest gaming projects in recent history, and effectively jumped ship to another studio.

I mean, you get changes of personnel at gaming companies, heck all companies, I get that. But an Art Director? The guy who is effectively responsible for how the "visual language" of the game translates from the sketchbook/tablet out on to the screen as an effective, eye-catching final product? He just ups and leaves at seemingly the drop of a hat?

That can't be seen as a "oh well, it's just one of those things" kind of situations.... This is someone who is a vital cog amongst the creative foundations of the entire Star Citizen project, someone who was trying to bring together all the visual work being done by multiple studios to make into a unified, organized, whole.

That type of person is hard to replace at the best of times. I suppose CiG could promote from within, bringing up one of the more senior artists working on the game into that position. But are there any guarantees that they will be able to organize the team in the same way, have the same vision, be as effective at this roles as Skelton might have been?

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Actually to be fair he said in his leaving letter it was due to travelling to LA a lot that was the reason for his decision. That was affecting his family etc. Bluepoint Games are in Austin.



That's fair enough, but still it's a pretty hefty loss for CiG to try and re-organize around.
 
So here we go again, posting random videos without answering any of the issues other posters bring up.
Why is this such a widespread tactic in the SC defense force?
There are a lot of whale-tier backers posting on various places basically trying to defend their "investment", some also have a literal commercial interest, because they earn their money through reselling JPEGs on the "grey market". There are also some people, who are simple contractors (and not backers), who get paid for making SC look good, but seemingly are ordered to not directly engage Derek Smart.

At least the second kind of effort posters will suddenly disappear, once the PR contracts get canceled. We will be able to clearly identify this point of time and all the accounts, because it happens rather sudden. However the first kind, what you call the "SC Defense Force", will some day turn on CIG itself with the same vitriol and that will be interesting to watch.
 
Fixed it for you.

bruuuhhh!!! bruuuhh!!!

You are sooo evil! EVIL! :D

Lets met at the middle, the hate will be well deserved when they fail but lets wait and see what happens before ;-)

The actual thread doesn't have some magical enviromental abnormality aura.
It's the posters that make the thread and you're one of them.
But let me guess, it's everyone elses fault right?

Yeah, sorry. Just wanted to add some color and names to this already drawn picture :-(
 
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@Tuub t Tute You're quite right. It's none of my business why the man parted company with CIG and my cynical post was out of order.
 
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I am a few tens of pages back so not sure if someone had some light on the below:

*Mod hat off

Changing subject a bit. Something I have been meaning to ask. Does anyone have any insights as to why the miniPU has that apparently arbitrary and much shorter size limit for the Z axis compared to the other two? I mean, I presume 64b double precision floating point does not limit any of that, to the contrary. No?
 
There are a lot of whale-tier backers posting on various places basically trying to defend their "investment", some also have a literal commercial interest, because they earn their money through reselling JPEGs on the "grey market". There are also some people, who are simple contractors (and not backers), who get paid for making SC look good, but seemingly are ordered to not directly engage Derek Smart.

At least the second kind of effort posters will suddenly disappear, once the PR contracts get canceled. We will be able to clearly identify this point of time and all the accounts, because it happens rather sudden. However the first kind, what you call the "SC Defense Force", will some day turn on CIG itself with the same vitriol and that will be interesting to watch.

I don't suppose that whole grey market thing - and any connections of the dealers to insiders at CIG/are insiders at CIG - will ever truly come to light.

But I'll bet some people made 5 figure sums out of it at it's peak - easily.
 
I think it best to lay off the conspiracies about your man leaving his job. As I recall his daughter was injured in a workplace accident and found out her health insurance wasn't up to scratch.

If his family are in Austin and his current employer can't reduce the amount of travel to LA he is required to do, it is not unreasonable to hand in your notice to assist in your daughter's welfare and rehabilitation.

There are plenty of other axes on the weapons rack to pick up and start grinding, leave the guy out of it, eh?

I think he was an Art guy, yes? Much as the project overall doesn't meet everyone's standards, they have pulled out some interesting looking ship designs. I doubt he would've been in trouble trying to find a new employer in the industry.
 
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