General / Off-Topic EU Referendum (UK only) - to Brexit or not to Brexit
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Yes, but that is nowhere near the level proximity a federal Europe can offer. Don't lure yourself, UK voted out of the EU, and, well, godspeed.
Tell you what I think: the conservatives will find ways to delay and delay again the exit notification, until it vanishes from the radar. More or less. The UK will stay in the EU, everyone will keep quiet about the whole joke, and we'll move on.
Let it be known that the actual EU form is not my cup of coffee. But it's better to find ways to change it altoghether than leaving on your own and pray (yes, at this point it's about praying) everything will be fine.
What I fond more interesting is that the UK is the second biggest contributor to the EU. So its going to hurt the EU as well. Not to mention perhaps have a Domino effect of spurring others to ask for their own referendum on the issue.
Interesting times ahead?
This is the problem as IanW said, we are in uncharted waters. Nobody has any clue how this will play out.
Here: http://www.theguardian.com/politics...eader-we-want-britain-out-as-soon-as-possible
That's exactly what I meant.
If the Brexiteers take to long to submit Article 50, the EU leaders would speed that somehow up. If you want or not.
The Brexit is now at the point where it's spiraling out of your control.
That's exactly what I meant.
If the Brexiteers take to long to submit Article 50, the EU leaders would speed that somehow up. If you want or not.
The Brexit is now at the point where it's spiraling out of your control.
The success of a call for a new referendum requires the government to consider the question. The first was not for real. We want to play again --- https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
That petition wont change anything .. the rules for the referendum were laid out for anyone willing to pay attention .. and it was simple, whom ever gets the most votes wins. They do have to discuss this in Parliament as it has over 10.000 signatures .. but the discussion will probably just be "Oh that .... next!"
I agree with the outcomes you suggest in negotiations assuming the EU as an organisation doesn't find it's situation drastically changing to the point where they may have to deal with a lot more than just the UK leaving.
It's early days but there are already rumblings coming from all sorts of places and this may be a turning point for a lot of people who have never bought into the EU grand plan.
It's an observation - I'm not saying it's a good thing or that it won't cause problems but pretending it doesn't exist in a lot of EU countries won't make it go away.
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It was never in anyone's control.
Pernod Ricard, very present in the UK with its production of Chivas Regal whiskey and Beefeater gin, sought to reassure its employees. "Be assured that our strategy is very clear and remains unchanged, as does our ambition to grow our Scotch whiskeys and our gins"
Yeah. I may be a bit salty over all this. My dad is a manager in a relatively high position and incredible worried about the Brexit.
Another point is that nationalistic or xenophobic mindsets don't fit into an age of globalization. And a good part of the Brexit was driven by xenophobia.
That is also what I hear from my Scandinavian friends, it would also be more suitable as there is a long history that connect these countries.
The success of a call for a new referendum requires the government to consider the question. The first was not for real. We want to play again --- https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
And that is the tune of the EU.
Vote.
Not that's not the right answer, do it again.
Vote.
Not that's not the right answer, do it again.
Vote.
Not that's not the right answer, do it again.
Vote.
Not that's not the right answer, do it again.
Vote.
Not that's not the right answer, do it again.
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Scotland wouldn't have to rely on oil, there's much more to us than that. We've produced more oil than Abu Dhabi and Dubai combined. The reason why it doesn't look like it is that the revenues were squandered by successive UK governments, instead of doing something sensible like setting up an oil fund that's done other oil producing nations so well.
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Utter nonsense.
Thats a very bold statement. Lets say USA would just disappear and see how long peace would last in Europe. I would say, a less than a month...
ahh. the true colors of the EU.
If the government wanted to, right now, without a vote from the public... they could turn around and stay in the EU. But it seems the EU want to take charge and looking for a way to stomp over our rights.
i though until Article 50 if filed, we are still in the EU with the same rights we always had. same right to be part of the EU until we file Article 50, and then we start to leave.
And they was to push us out ? not let us leave in our own time? what if we wanna take 1,2 maybe 3 years to file a Article 50. that's our right
The referendum was not a legally binding action to take us out of the EU, the vote has not change our rights, not until the UK decides to file Article 50.
Classic EU
UK: 'I wanna get out the car, but i want to wait until its stopped'
EU: 'No! (push)'
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The UK is now officially a divided nation. In case it has escaped anybody's notice the margin of victory was 3.8% - hardly a ringing endorsement of the Leave cause by the British people. All it means right now is that 48.1% of the UK population is off.
Anybody doubting the above need only read today's posts in this thread. (I ploughed through the first 10 pages or so and almost lost the will to live - apologies if this point has been brought up already.)
It only remains for me to congratulate the protagonists on a clean, honest and thoroughly edifying campaign. Mr. Cameron, Mr. Osborne, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Gove, Mr. Farage; thank you all for the way you have conducted yourselves. May you reap what you have sown.
I think we're done here. I know I am. Ta ta.
Anybody doubting the above need only read today's posts in this thread. (I ploughed through the first 10 pages or so and almost lost the will to live - apologies if this point has been brought up already.)
It only remains for me to congratulate the protagonists on a clean, honest and thoroughly edifying campaign. Mr. Cameron, Mr. Osborne, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Gove, Mr. Farage; thank you all for the way you have conducted yourselves. May you reap what you have sown.
I think we're done here. I know I am. Ta ta.
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That's only due to Scotland and NI, which are about 4 million people or less put together. Everywhere else was majority OUT.
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These are the same feeling after a General Election... if your party gets in you celebrate and if not its all doom and gloom.
The nation voted, we are a democracy so we all live with the results and move on.
When has it not been a divided nation?
I can't recall a time when everyone supported the same thing.
All sides have been down in the mud on this one and everyone will have to take a bite of any crap sandwiches that get served up.
Also what happened to your bullish outcome predictions from yesterday?
And on the bright side, the FTSE closed up on the day.
With the main recipients of any kicking being the banks and the builders. Who knows we many even get back to a place where house prices are in reach of the youngsters. Without having to sign up with a dastardly banker for a lifetime of servitude - who probably wouldn't have the money to lend it anyway.
Wait, I'm confused is that good or bad?
With the main recipients of any kicking being the banks and the builders. Who knows we many even get back to a place where house prices are in reach of the youngsters. Without having to sign up with a dastardly banker for a lifetime of servitude - who probably wouldn't have the money to lend it anyway.
Wait, I'm confused is that good or bad?
Well, Taylor Wimpey (national house building cowboys) lost a whopping 35%. So it's not all bad
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