The Star Citizen Thread v5

[proKar_garlic]

I bought the ticket, the ride sucks.

Yeah you were probably expecting a smooth boat tour on a lake lol. Sorry that you were caught off-guard but game development is more like a roller-coaster ride where the tracks are changed in the middle of the ride.

I am making sure no one else gets on this crap ride until it works.

That's not really gonna work but whatever rocks your boat, just avoid the troll posting please.

 

[Cynaqq]

We are all adults (I think), we should be able to behave accordingly without the need of hassling the mods.
I don't care if you are angry about the game, its impossible to please everyone and that Star Citizen as a "dream game" can be anything or nothing based on peoples expectations. There's no perfect game and there's no way that EVERYONE will be happy about it, EVER. If you want to vent, go ahead, but at least make it in a mature way, just some effort about it would be nice. Trollish behaviour just makes CIG look right about the haters and makes me glad to see them get refunds and back away from the game tbh, it's personalities like those that I absolutely don't need to deal with in the Universe.

It's ok to dream, just don't be angry/bitter/mad because it's not "exactly" your dream.
Just listen to the man like you did when you gambled thousands of dollars on the dream.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biCyzJI2V04
TLDS:Buy the ticket, take the ride.

I'd say most people are angry/bitter/mad precisely because it was their dream and it doesn't look like it's going to be fulfilled. Can you think of any other reason for people to act like this than they are feeling deceived by someone should have done right by them?

If CIG can prove these people wrong, hats off to them however people are not insane and this isn't the first game they are following the development of. Many of us are old enough to be gaming and following development of games for 25-30 years, even more. After that many years and that many games, you naturally have the understanding to separate blatant marketing from actual possibilities and actual technical shortcomings from developer incompetence.

There's nothing trollish going on here. CIG doesn't look very reliable for some time now and people are voicing their opinion. It turns into something else when clear marketing moves are tried on communities which are experienced in these matters.

You can't even type a comment without some buzzword or other marketing slogan, the mindset is ingrained that much. 'Buy the ticket, take the ride'? How about 'wait and see what'll happen in the future'?

 

[jcrg99]

We are all adults (I think), we should be able to behave accordingly without the need of hassling the mods.
I don't care if you are angry about the game, its impossible to please everyone and that Star Citizen as a "dream game" can be anything or nothing based on peoples expectations. There's no perfect game and there's no way that EVERYONE will be happy about it, EVER. If you want to vent, go ahead, but at least make it in a mature way, just some effort about it would be nice. Trollish behaviour just makes CIG look right about the haters and makes me glad to see them get refunds and back away from the game tbh, it's personalities like those that I absolutely don't need to deal with in the Universe.

It's ok to dream, just don't be angry/bitter/mad because it's not "exactly" your dream.
Just listen to the man like you did when you gambled thousands of dollars on the dream.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biCyzJI2V04
TLDS:Buy the ticket, take the ride.

You should share that Gamescon 2013 interview where he mentioned the schedule for what was coming "soon" instead.

 

[FuriousMeow]

I can already see the launch of Star Citizen. Every one of the ardent followers that still remain receive a package in the mail in advance of the release, instructions are to wait until T-15 Minutes prior to SC Complete Release completing download signed by His Spaciness, the Glorious Chris Roberts. T-15 Minutes, they open the package to find a drink packet and more instructions. Now in order to fully enjoy and immerse themselves in the fidelity of the immersion they must consume this packet with water immediately or else they won't fully become immersed in fidelity. Download completes around the world simultaneously. No one logs in, the packet was arsenic and Chris Roberts is skipping town with what's left of the money he didn't put into making a working game.

After all, it is only through His will that we shall see the Light of the Best Damn Spaceholder Sim Ever. Amen.

 

[ianw]

It's ok to dream, just don't be angry/bitter/mad because it's not "exactly" your dream.
Just listen to the man like you did when you gambled thousands of dollars on the dream.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biCyzJI2V04
TLDS:Buy the ticket, take the ride.

No question he's a charismatic and believable talker - a great salesman. No doubt he'd be good company to have a beer with if he was your mate.

But it keeps changing and the shine is wearing off.

He reminds me of someone I've known for nearly 30 years - similar character - you talk to him about stuff and it sounds great - but then it just doesn't happen. And as time goes on you realise it's a pattern. And in the end you sort of give up. And everyone you know who knows him says the same thing.

But if he suggested a beer/party you'd still be up for it coz he's just that guy.

 

[GuruNot]

It's a screenshot, here's some more:

Screenshot or Render? Any chance of video?

 

[GordFreeman]

I can already see the launch of Star Citizen. Every one of the ardent followers that still remain receive a package in the mail in advance of the release, instructions are to wait until T-15 Minutes prior to SC Complete Release completing download signed by His Spaciness, the Glorious Chris Roberts. T-15 Minutes, they open the package to find a drink packet and more instructions. Now in order to fully enjoy and immerse themselves in the fidelity of the immersion they must consume this packet with water immediately or else they won't fully become immersed in fidelity. Download completes around the world simultaneously. No one logs in, the packet was arsenic and Chris Roberts is skipping town with what's left of the money he didn't put into making a working game.

After all, it is only through His will that we shall see the Light of the Best Damn Spaceholder Sim Ever. Amen.

Who doesn't love to dream? And what a fine dream that is. We are all waiting with bated breath for the misery and destruction of this doomed project, it's followers, and it's makers! Whoever said that we don't want SC to fail?! They sure haven't listened to us! You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

 

[FuriousMeow]

Yeah you were probably expecting a smooth boat tour on a lake lol. Sorry that you were caught off-guard but game development is more like a roller-coaster ride where the tracks are changed in the middle of the ride.


That's not really gonna work but whatever rocks your boat, just avoid the troll posting please.

The tracks aren't changing in the middle of the ride. There are no tracks. The ride is the line waiting to get up to it and just a "broken, but will be built sometime in the future" sign hanging there. That's the perfect analogy, not the tripe you're coming up with.

It is working, more and more people are coming to terms with the lies and nonsense. Seeing what is not there. I'm not trolling, I have only posted absolute quantifiable facts. You have posted nothing but missives and absolute lies stating something is here when it is far off in the future. Even statements that, we'll see in 3 months Squawking42 will be roosting - Bologna Sausage, it's going to be more pre-renders and cut-scenes. You keep throwing the troll label around because you are the definition of one.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

It's ok to dream, just don't be angry/bitter/mad because it's not "exactly" your dream.
Just listen to the man like you did when you gambled thousands of dollars on the dream.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biCyzJI2V04
TLDS:Buy the ticket, take the ride.

Most of us are awake in here and thx god that we are not participating in that colective"dream"anymore,the biggest "danger"for Croberts&CO are not the ppl. who are been pointing on their mistakes for ages or those who make a few jokes on CIG failures...no..no..the real danger coming from those who are still sleeping and dreaming sweet dreams those who invest their life in this game,those who glorify CR&CO like they are gods....well when they eventually wake up they will be the ones who will hunt them furiously until the end.....

 

[GordFreeman]

Most of us are awake in here and thx god that we are not participating in that colective"dream"anymore,the biggest "danger"for Croberts&CO are not the ppl. who are been pointing on their mistakes for ages or those who make a few jokes on CIG failures...no..no..the real danger coming from those who are still sleeping and dreaming sweet dreams those who invest their life in this game,those who glorify CR&CO like they are gods....well when they eventually wake up they will be the ones who will hunt them furiously until the end.....

You're damn right. Those CIG fans sure are a dangerous bunch! [squeeeee]

 

[proKar_garlic]

There's nothing trollish going on here. CIG doesn't look very reliable for some time now and people are voicing their opinion. It turns into something else when clear marketing moves are tried on communities which are experienced in these matters.

You can't even type a comment without some buzzword or other marketing slogan, the mindset is ingrained that much. 'Buy the ticket, take the ride'? How about 'wait and see what'll happen in the future'?

Oh cmon, all you need is to go back a page or two to see it, trolling posts with pics, baiting quotes etc etc.

The ride is ongoing, and the train is not stopping anytime soon as the funding/progress shows. So I wholeheartedly agree with the"wait & see" approach. Nothing is final, wait for it to finish and then review it and judge it when it's a released game, not when it's a slice of an alpha lol.

The turkey is in the oven, it will need more time, grabbing a leg and reviewing it expecting a finished dish is not the wise approach.

 

[darkoff]

Wowawewa, last pages were depressingly sad. This thread has reached it's all-time low. From the regular hate/insults spit and towards several Star Citizen staff and developers to the usual troll pics and videos we now add fat shaming jokes, personal scufflesbetween newbies about outside issues...

Let's remind this thread rules (again):
http://i.imgur.com/YESL0IY.png

There's really no excuse for this continuous trollish behaviour!

I don't care if you don't like how ships fly, If you are angry because your precious LTI was made irrelevant and messed your grey-market business, If you are bitter because you got kicked from the forums or if you are angry because the Idris was upgraded from a corvette to a frigate or because Procedural Generated planets are coming sooner rather than later.
In Short: If the Star Citizen Development/Crowdfunding Campaign didn't followed as you expected and you now are: Disappointed/Bitter/Angry, whatever is fuelling that hate, take a step back and think twice before posting, because what that attitude is showing, is that whatever CIG did to make you step away from backing the community/game, they did the right move. Because that toxic behaviour is not welcomed anywhere, being it in Star Citizen or in any other game. So way to go in proving CIG right.



It's a screenshot, here's some more:

http://i.imgur.com/tsMT6yM.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/qeg3IXP.jpg

(wallpaper worthy?)

Whats the source of those pictures i haven't seen those before. Also you dont need to remind of the rules the report button is there for a reason just dont abuse it to silence the skeptic views.
All news are equal be it positive news like contend updates for star citizen or negative news like the TOS, Plagiarism and delay's. Its okay to discuss about those things without calling people trolls.
The thing is now days its pretty easy to rip things apart if its only words and dreams ppl want to discuss.
Chris has horrible habit of miss promising timelines for things that are far away.

just check how chill monk and rolan are and look at their posting history, its pretty great open minted discussion. They believe in project without getting angry about negative news.

 

[ianw]

The turkey is in the oven, it will need more time, grabbing a leg and reviewing it expecting a finished dish is not the wise approach.

You might want to go with "cake" or something.

"Turkey" is widely used as a term to describe something particularly bad;

Slang.
a person or thing of little appeal; dud; loser.
a naive, stupid, or inept person.
a poor and unsuccessful theatrical production; flop.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/turkey

Your call - obviously

 

[FuriousMeow]

I like ianw's post more.

 

[Neo-ST]

Wanna hear another CIG joke (it's really funny) ?
Here's one lie for you.

This was my pledge:

Ask me did I receive my spaceship shaped USB stick? Or a CD of game soundtrack? Or glossy map of SC universe? Or these blueprints? Or a 3" model of my ship?

You can also ask me did I pay international shipping fee for those, in 2013.

But don't believe me, because I'm wrong and CIG did the right move...

In Short: If the Star Citizen Development/Crowdfunding Campaign didn't followed as you expected and you now are: Disappointed/Bitter/Angry, whatever is fuelling that hate, take a step back and think twice before posting, because what that attitude is showing, is that whatever CIG did to make you step away from backing the community/game, they did the right move. Because that toxic behaviour is not welcomed anywhere, being it in Star Citizen or in any other game. So way to go in proving CIG right.

 

[SkUnimatrix]

I log in to SC roughly every 3-4 months. See the horrible janky animations and marvel at the poor optimisation (GTX980 -struggles)


That said id love for it to succeed in what its trying to do. But hot damn is it dissapointing so far.

That's what most people I know who have downloaded and tried the game have basically said as well.

 

[MarktJones]

You might want to go with "cake" or something.

"Turkey" is widely used as a term to describe something particularly bad;

Slang.
a person or thing of little appeal; dud; loser.
a naive, stupid, or inept person.
a poor and unsuccessful theatrical production; flop.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/turkey

Your call - obviously

Can't mention cake because of the fat shaming.

 

[Cynaqq]

Oh cmon, all you need is to go back a page or two to see it, trolling posts with pics, baiting quotes etc etc.

The ride is ongoing, and the train is not stopping anytime soon as the funding/progress shows. So I wholeheartedly agree with the"wait & see" approach. Nothing is final, wait for it to finish and then review it and judge it when it's a released game, not when it's a slice of an alpha lol.

The turkey is in the oven, it will need more time, grabbing a leg and reviewing it expecting a finished dish is not the wise approach.

So you agree it's not logical to back the project now, especially after the funding was declared sufficient for not only the base game but stretch goals years ago.

Then why are we seeing all this begging people to buy the game then? Not the game but a possibility to own a virtual spaceship in a game which is not finished yet, without the guarantee it'll happen, to be precise. I understand it's generally not a wise idea to make promises in software development but openly insulting people by a borderline illegal TOS and bombarding them constantly with the lamest marketing tricks in the book isn't very wise either. After all, space game players are not a very numerous market and you don't actually want to alienate anyone.

 

[SkUnimatrix]

Micro trans actions are fine, however you need a WORKING game before you do these things. I know that some people like to say that ED is broken and FD should fix that first. Honestly I can't take hat seriously. ED works, its not perfect, however it works at its core and its playable.

SC have so many issues and problems that need to be fixed before they start to make these things. To me it seams like a desperate attempt to get more moany into the black vortex. Moreover the petty attempt to harvest more backers from different forum are just.....total fail.

The "ED is Broken and they should fix their game" argument generally = "Frontier didn't build the game I wanted (i.e. EVE 2.0 with cockpits, or have a 'Big Damn Space Hero' storyline, etc.) therefore the game is broken and they need to fix it to make it what I want."

Like you said it's not perfect, but they do tend to listen. I've said elsewhere Frontier seems to get it about 80% right on the first pass and then iterates from there. There are things I don't necessarily like, such as how power play operates, but once I understood how it works it made sense. Not my cup of tea, but hey. At least ED I can see how they can fix various elements and add new areas of gameplay to improve the product. With Star Citizen I don't see how they can do much as the fundamental gameplay mechanics are poorly executed and the core game is just extremely poor at this point. Adding features like trading, space farming, whatever isn't only attempting to polish a turd. It's still a turd.

 

[proKar_garlic]

Whats the source of those pictures i haven't seen those before. Also you dont need to remind of the rules the report button is there for a reason just dont abuse it to silence the skeptic views.
All news are equal be it positive news like contend updates for star citizen or negative news like the TOS, Plagiarism and delay's. Its okay to discuss about those things without calling people trolls.
The thing is now days its pretty easy to rip things apart if its only words and dreams ppl want to discuss.
Chris has horrible habit of miss promising timelines for things that are far away.

just check how chill monk and rolan are and look at their posting history, its pretty great open minted discussion. They believe in project without getting angry about negative news.

Those are just screenshots I took.

I'm not adverse of controversy/negative topics, I'll discuss them gladly as I've done before. What me and the forum rules are against is troll posts (mocking pics, comments and so on) that don't add to the discussion. I'll not pick names or posts but they know who they are and their purpose is not innocent. We are all adults and constantly seeing the hate/mocking comments about devs/cig staff gets a bit boring after the 1000th time. Just pick a random page and the mocking jokes are a regular troll tactic that serves no other purpose than mock star citizen it's staff or its backers lol

It's not that I'm an old fart who doesn't have a sense of humour or anything like that, it's that those constant passive-aggressive attacks get a bit tiring because they are fueled by bitterness and hate.

I have no problem with jokes or pics if they are not hatefueled. Simple, Hell who won't laugh at this?

So you agree it's not logical to back the project now, especially after the funding was declared sufficient for not only the base game but stretch goals years ago.

Then why are we seeing all this begging people to buy the game then? Not the game but a possibility to own a virtual spaceship in a game which is not finished yet, without the guarantee it'll happen, to be precise. I understand it's generally not a wise idea to make promises in software development but openly insulting people by a borderline illegal TOS and bombarding them constantly with the lamest marketing tricks in the book isn't very wise either. After all, space game players are not a very numerous market and you don't actually want to alienate anyone.

I believe that one should only back the game if he supports the idea of it, if it's backing because he thinks its buying a playable / satisfying game for the immediate I'll say is doing it wrong.

Now what is not up to you or me to call out CIG for continuing it's funding campaign. All the money is welcomed in any business it is so, why should this be different? It makes no sense, any other company would do the same! They are making 2 games at the same time with a company raised from nothing, as anyone even tried that? Would anyone besides Chris Roberts could even come close of doing that? Not in their wildest dreams. Saying that CIG should stop funding because it has met the "old scope" is like saying a game company should stop selling their game and instead give it away for free after it already earned them enough money to pay for the development cost & marketing.

If people want to keep supporting the game let them, there's plenty of people that gave 5k+ money to Frontier also, and they keep giving, despite everything. Who are people to criticize others for being positive? For believing? Positivity makes the world go round , not negativity.

Be Positive, be like Garlic.