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Bains

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And each purchase should include a little GIF of CR taking another sip from a big glass of brandy and going "Cheers!" ;)

It'd go well next to my autographed picture of Derek Edward Trotter.

I think those passes are for people who don't have alpha access in their pledges. What I'm more concerned about is that I heard that they might charge per play for trying ships you don't own... Sod that!

I think they dressed this one up as a transaction for some kind of 'Test Pilot Badge'?. Not sure to be honest but it wouldn't surprise me. When it comes to gouging a fanbase they make EA look like a bunch of amateurs. And congratulations by the way, Dr Wookie. Might have got this wrong but didn't I read something about you being EDs man in the States/E3? Best of luck with that.
 
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I think those passes are for people who don't have alpha access in their pledges. What I'm more concerned about is that I heard that they might charge per play for trying ships you don't own... Sod that!

They are thinking of adding that so that people don't have to buy whole ship packages to try out a certain kind of ship in the alpha. Would you pay 5 dollars of a test run of a ship before buying a 60 dollar package? I would. Get a feeling if i would like it or not. Makes sense to me.

One of the downside of the whole ship package system is that when it comes to testing people will test the ship they bought. Which wasn't the case with E:D everybody started with the same ship. In SC on the other hand it will be different in the first 0.8 iteration if you have a ship that is not in the module you will be loaned a hornet for the testing period.

But if you have the 300i or the Aurora or the Hornet you won't be loaned any other ship you are essentially tied to your ship package.

It'd go well next to my autographed picture of Derek Edward Trotter.

Wouldn't surprise me. When it comes to gouging a fanbase they make EA look clueless. And congratulations by the way, Dr Wookie. Might have got this wrong but didn't I read something about you being EDs man in the States/E3? Best of luck with that.

Not true i would say. People call up CIG and request packages more than 15.000 dollars. There are many people willing to give their money to CIG. Also they didn't have a ship sale for months and months and specifically told the community that they would rather wait for playable content instead of doing ship sales which earns them 5 to 10 million in a month.

CIG has all the money it needs. But why would any sane business shutdown their sales? Chris is all about making the best space sim ever and he really isn't in this business for making himself rich. This is his childhood dream. To create a vast universe. Many many people who know Chris and worked for him know this. Even he said it.

I would love to be in a position like him too. Doing my dream job and waking up everyday to a job i have passion for.
 

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Not true i would say. People call up CIG and request packages more than 15.000 dollars. There are many people willing to give their money to CIG. Also they didn't have a ship sale for months and months and specifically told the community that they would rather wait for playable content instead of doing ship sales which earns them 5 to 10 million in a month.

CIG has all the money it needs. But why would any sane business shutdown their sales? Chris is all about making the best space sim ever and he really isn't in this business for making himself rich. This is his childhood dream. To create a vast universe. Many many people who know Chris and worked for him know this. Even he said it.

I would love to be in a position like him too. Doing my dream job and waking up everyday to a job i have passion for.

*sigh. I'm sorry I just don't know start with this. I get the feeling it would be like trying to explain evolution to a creationist.
 
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*sigh. I'm sorry I just don't know start with this. I get the feeling it would be like trying to explain evolution to a creationist.

Well maybe you don't know much about Chris and the people who know him for more than 20-30 years. That's who he is and that's it. He is the CEO of CIG and he goes to every event himself and talks to the fans one on one. He is very down to earth and this is truly his dream. Even before everything blew up he said this. Many people who started working for Chris or have worked for him before know it too.

One of the big drivers of Star Citizen is the guy behind it.

The most important core supporters of Star Citizen are Wing Commander, Starlancer, Freelancer fans. People who really love Chris and Erin Roberts games.
 
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Bains

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Well maybe you don't know much about Chris and the people who know him for more than 20-30 years. That's who he is and that's it. He is the CEO of CIG and he goes to every event himself and talks to the fans one on one. He is very down to earth and this is truly his dream. Even before everything blew up he said this. Many people who started working for Chris or have worked for him before know it too.

One of the big drivers of Star Citizen is the guy behind it.

Look, couple of things you should consider taking on board.

From what you have writing, you operate from a stand point that detractors are, unlike you, simply ignorant of the facts. Or are simply malcontents. Or just unreasonable.

And they are in fact missing the truth of the matter, which is CIG and Chris Roberts are essentially beyond reproach.

Never mind the gross patronisation, for now can you see how that makes it impossible to have a serious discussion with you? Why I liken it to trying to talk to a fundamentalist? Or even trying to talk to a fundamentalist about concerns you have about his church and prophet?
 
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Look, couple of things you should consider taking on board.

From what you have writing, you operate from a stand point that detractors are, unlike you, simply ignorant of facts. Or are simply malcontents. Or just unreasonable.

And they are in fact missing the truth of the matter, which is CIG and Chris Roberts are essentially beyond reproach.

Do see how that makes it impossible to have a serious discussion with you? Why I liken it to trying to talking to a fundamentalist? Or worse, trying to talk to a fundamentalist about concerns you have about his prophet?

You are overdoing things. There are not many big CEO's like Chris in this business. Try to find CEO's talking to each fan at conventions or events. Good luck. Chris was down at the Logitech booth at Pax East explaining random dudes how the Dogfighting worked.

You really think Chris Robert's is in this game for the money? He has so much money from his film production company that he really doesn't care about dough.

Care to explain what is the truth? Chris trying grab all the money and run away or something?
 
Chris was down at the Logitech booth at Pax East explaining random dudes how the Dogfighting worked.
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Care to explain what is the truth? Chris trying grab all the money and run away or something?

Well I can't speak for Bains, but I personally remember all the hype around Strike Commander back in the day. The things we've been promised... basically every question asked was answered with "yes, of course it'll do all that, and more!"
I don't think Chris is a bad guy, far from it. He's not incompetent either, he's proven himself with some of PC gaming's classics. I do however say he has a history of overselling things, and I say that without fear of contradiction, except by people not old enough to have experienced it.
 
Well I can't speak for Bains, but I personally remember all the hype around Strike Commander back in the day. The things we've been promised... basically every question asked was answered with "yes, of course it'll do all that, and more!"
I don't think Chris is a bad guy, far from it. He's not incompetent either, he's proven himself with some of PC gaming's classics. I do however say he has a history of overselling things, and I say that without fear of contradiction, except by people not old enough to have experienced it.

I am not the oldest fella but i really enjoyed Freelancer. One of my favorite space games of all time. Never knew Chris Roberts was the guy who made it until 2012. And Freelancer was another attempt of Chris Roberts of making a dream game but coming short to it by being a great game. Being lost in Freelancer was just amazing and that's the kind of experience i want again with Star Citizen.

Really don't think Chris will fail with Star Citizen maybe he will underdeliver and even if he does it will be a good game not a bad game.
 
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Well I can't speak for Bains, but I personally remember all the hype around Strike Commander back in the day. The things we've been promised... basically every question asked was answered with "yes, of course it'll do all that, and more!"
I don't think Chris is a bad guy, far from it. He's not incompetent either, he's proven himself with some of PC gaming's classics. I do however say he has a history of overselling things, and I say that without fear of contradiction, except by people not old enough to have experienced it.

Customer hold companies to account all the time. I love gaming, but there is this double edged sword due to the fact that we gamers are at once both customer and fan. This can be a great thing but it also means things really have to get bad before the majority start holding the company to account if and when this is required, and by that point its sadly often too late.

Also game developers can take advantage and liberties in a variety of ways far more easily than compared to say, a utility company run by a CEO you have no disillusions about.

As for Chris Roberts. He made some games back in the day. Some good. It was short but I really enjoyed Privateer while it lasted. I thought he'd clearly learned from Elite which helped the game - I'm talking about the trading side. But at the same time truth be told it was using bit map graphics, rear view-quarter view-side view, at a time when games like X Wing were way ahead with vector graphics.

I wasn't there for it but I know he's had his failures as well but I'm sure he's in no way unique in this regard. Either way he's no second coming.

I have watched him and his company closely now for over a year and I genuinely think there is much they could have done better. I get the feeling he's lost control at times. Particularly to the money men, or money woman as I think the case is with CIG.

It also always grates me when they harp on about how open they are. The way they communicate is one of the the things I feel they are worst at. Sure they can bore you endlessly with details about the nose art but when it comes to the things that really matter they are very poor, and worse often come across as disingenuous or patronising.

By this point there are a lot of people with a great many perfectly vaild concerns.

Reading through this thread follocusing on just one issue it struck me just how many. And I lost count with the number of times people favorably compared how the ED team were operating with respect to how they treat their customers. Having now spent a little bit of time watching developments over here I can understand why.

These guys are clearly not all stupid malcontents who simply just don't get that Chris Roberts and Crew should be put on pedestals, can do no wrong and should be excused at ever turn.

They are gamers with many real and fair concerns, and as a group they are growing all the time. And as mentioned, matters are then made orders of magnitude worse by this category of fan that approaches being a backer as act of almost religious faith. I have no doubt matters would be significantly better all round had this group not sabotaged every single attempt at reaching CIG with a voice that wasn't restricted to singing their praises.


Btw just another topic but have you guys seen this video about the A.I in Star Citizen?

http://youtu.be/2aokaaWeRjc


Yes, enjoyed it, and some new material in there, thank you.
 
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the main reason I chose ED was because it was first to market. SC is a lot of promises but little delivery. ED beta in a few days SC? maybe end year or 2015. ED will be out and running. SC might fair badly in comparison. Lot of money lot of hype. I hope both games succeed. We badly need a good space MMO. SWOTR was my last hope :(
 
I still remember the days when people were calling the whole thing a SCAM. Once people get something on their hands things will change. The biggest issue here is that there was nothing called CIG in 2011. It is a company starting from entirely nothing. The whole Star Citizen project is based on 10 people originally.

It took them too long to find and to buy offices. CIG Austin moved end of 2013. Foundry 42 opened January 2014. As you can see these number are pretty late. The fruits of a settled team are now being shown. Yes it took longer but that's because CIG is a very new company.

Full production of the game kicked in February 2014 and not before. I am pretty sure that once Arena Commander is out people who are complaining left and right will be less. The exact samething happened months before the Hangar Module. People calling CIG is bull****ting everyone. That there won't be a game. Stuff like that. Once the Hangar released they were like oh it was true indeed.

Now there is more pressure with Elite : Dangerous especially with the now launched Alpha 4 with the tiny section of its game world. A lot of Star Citizens are like why can't SC do the same thing with the same speed with more money? Well wish more money would equal quicker production.

For Star Citizen more money meant more things to do. Also another reason why Elite : Dangerous is quicker is that they already have a studio up and running as well as private investors. On top of that they are doing the walkable cockpits as an expansion while Star Citizen is doing Dogfighting and the First Person on the get go.

But that's how the game is designed. It's the philosophy behind it. An avatar based space simulation game. The avatar play is not an expansion it is the core of the game.

Star Citizen is a bit more like a holywood movie compared to Elite which is a niche british film. I love having both to play :)
 

Bains

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Why so negative all the time :D

I'll put it to you this way, and let's see if this construction of words reaches across the great divide:

You think Chris Roberts can turn water into wine.

I think he takes a dump like the rest of us, and could right now probably use a drink.

Time will tell who's right.

But for now Mr. Nowak, it's good night.
 
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I'll put to you this way, and let's see if this construction of words reaches across the great divide:

You think Chris Roberts can turn water into wine.

I think he takes a dump like the rest of us, and could right now probably use a drink.

Time will tell who's right.

But for now Mr. Nowak, it's good night.

Still overdoing the whole deal. Nobody said he is a legend or something. He is just good at what he does thats all there is to it. Good night :)
 
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