My open letter to Fdev

[Roybe]

That just sounds like poor game design. Nothing to do with PvP.

I keep saying this...again...it's their design. Good or bad. They are not willing to change it. Starting fires between players isn't going to change the base design. If people do not like, or enjoy the design, then stop playing. And stop buying the game. The game is completely centered around the PVP tug of war of PvE trophy collecting. All parts of the game are tied to this central design feature. That is the only part of the game that matters...AND is actually balanced and equal through out all the various modes. If people want to beat others...then move more crap. Play longer and harder than the other side moving whatever crap there is. The game is not designed for any other gameplay to work.

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Other players from your group still have a chance to oppose their activity.

Mobius is complete invulnerability.

You can't stop them so get out there and out play them! Play harder, move more PVE crap!

 

[Rambo the 13th]

Private groups are private. The reason I play in Mobius is to avoid griefers like the above OP. I'm now doing the CG in solo and recommend everyone else do the same.

People with your attitude is why the game is broken.

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we did NOT violate the EULA... your "Mobius rules" have zero relevance. PERIOD

 

[jasonbarron]

You are right Roybe. I don't believe this game has any future as a living universe.

I'm going to ask forum support to close my forum account.

I'm not bitter. Just saddened this game has taken such a myopic view.

o7 Roybe. See you around in other games.

Nah, he's not right. Don't let the line of goods he's peddling get inside your head, atak. This is a pretty heated little argument, but the trick is to got dragged down into the mud, to stay bigger than the fray. Regardless of some of the toxic spew that got let out over the forum, there's still plenty of beauty and wonder in the Elite universe. Just remember, the game still has many years of development in front of it, plenty of great times ahead

o7

 

[the100thmonkey]

Other players from your group still have a chance to oppose their activity.

Mobius is complete invulnerability.

That's a problem with CG design, not the game mode. CGs are, in my opinion, bad design in the first place. Unopposable CGs are terrible design.

The justification for the attack on Mobius players is spurious.

 

[pindleton]

Thanks.

I have passionately argued for a long time about this. I like Roybe - he hasn't influenced me. Frontiers actions have.

I've put in the request and I'm going to move on to greener pastures.

I hope you find the fun you are looking for in the future.

o7

I suspect you wont be the only one. Unfortunately, some pvers actually rejoice when this happens. They want to shape the game as they see fit and run unopposed. The more dissenters they can run off, the better they think the game will be for them.


Elite: Purgatory would have been a better title for the game.

 

[simulacrae]

Below is an open letter sent to Fdev via opening a ticket...

Greetings Fdev,

Bravo !

 

[Martind Forlon]

If OP come first with idea to use BGS to disrupt questioned CG ...and to be honest PP is not only one reason why some groups may want oppose CGs, or only block market in certain system which breaks theirs bgs own interest ... then it would be very good background for talk with FDev, clever diplomatic way worth to applause. But there was first coming game Eula break, aka mobius raid (and I personally don't like mobius as idea at all ...), which quite effectively made this open letter mostly worthless.

 

[Exclusiive]

If OP come first with idea to use BGS to disrupt questioned CG ...and to be honest PP is not only one reason why some groups may want oppose CGs, or only block market in certain system which breaks theirs bgs own interest ... then it would be very good background for talk with FDev, clever diplomatic way worth to applause. But there was first coming game Eula break, aka mobius raid (and I personally don't like mobius as idea at all ...), which quite effectively made this open letter mostly worthless.

what eula break? we were willingly accept into mobius lol. you people talk about eula like you know what your talking abouit hahahahaha

 

[DarkZeno]

As many people have said on many, many posts here and on reddit, this has ruined the game for a lot of people. No longer is there an illusion of a player driven universe. This is the first time that a CG has been halted via gaming mechanics and the dev's have ruined the countless hours of work that every CMDR has put into the game in order to make it happen. Over a four-day period, I personally put in over 30+ hours and on average, the 13th put in over 15+ hours per CMDR. It is an absolute disgrace what they have done.

So they come out and said that they would "like" for players to be able to alter a CG and will make it happen, "Soon". Frontier has lied to the entire community. They tell us that this is a player-driven universe when in fact, it is entirely not so. The CG had already been won when we shut the trading down, so the only reason that Frontier did this was to give the entire player community the finger.

I'll no longer purchase any paint jobs, modules or future expansions until Frontier apologizes to the community as a whole, and a personal apology to the two player-groups who made this happen. I encourage the rest of the community to do the same.

 

[biohazard15]

Folks.
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Are you aware of the fact that you CANNOT be interdicted while in orbital cruise? I think yes. So park your expensive Cutter (preferably in Solo), buy yourself a Sidey with a couple extra fuel tanks (just in case), relog to Open and go cruise around that planet. Settle at about 200 km altitude, kill the throttle and fly around planet (or simply fly in circles parallel to the ground).
From now on, do what you like! You can mock them, you can shout "Warning: Griefers in system!" every 5 seconds, you can open direct chat and try to talk them out of this "endeavour", the possibilities are basically endless here! Just be sure to check that you're not about to lithobrake, or even worse, to leave your orbital sanctuary (although you might actually do if you ever wondered how quick a wing of PVPers can kill stock Sidey).

 

[Martind Forlon]

@Exclusiive ... I'm talking about this ...

 

[Exclusiive]

Folks.
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Are you aware of the fact that you CANNOT be interdicted while in orbital cruise? I think yes. So park your expensive Cutter (preferably in Solo), buy yourself a Sidey with a couple extra fuel tanks (just in case), relog to Open and go cruise around that planet. Settle at about 200 km altitude, kill the throttle and fly around planet (or simply fly in circles parallel to the ground).
From now on, do what you like! You can mock them, you can shout "Warning: Griefers in system!" every 5 seconds, you can open direct chat and try to talk them out of this "endeavour", the possibilities are basically endless here! Just be sure to check that you're not about to lithobrake, or even worse, to leave your orbital sanctuary (although you might actually do if you ever wondered how quick a wing of PVPers can kill stock Sidey).

if your in solo you cant talk      to other people fyi... figured id tell ya cuz you seem kinda clueless....

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@Exclusiive ... I'm talking about this ...

once again to the clueless... you only break the eula if you request access AFTER youve already been banned. which most of us have not. [up]

 

[CrusaderOne]

Excuse me if this has already been suggested; Allow "Solo" or "Private Group" players to participate in the CG, gaining any offered personal rewards, but restricting their actions from advancing the goal of the CG. Only in open play would participation affect the CG goal.

 

[[DOOK] Droogie]

Excuse me if this has already been suggested; Allow "Solo" or "Private Group" players to participate in the CG, gaining any offered personal rewards, but restricting their actions from advancing the goal of the CG. Only in open play would participation affect the CG goal.

As long as you pay for my refund, sure.

 

[DidierDrbois]

... we always declared our intentions...

You have clearly stated what your intentions were before obtaining access to Mobius? If yes, I fail to understand what this all about. If no, please remove this statement.

 

[AJW]

It strikes me that the most likely outcome of all this will be that FD will be less likely to make any changes to the way CGs work. A reasoned argument might have got somewhere, but intentionally disrupting a private group, and then expecting the developers to comply to what look like demands has to be a gross misjudgement if only because FD will surely not wish to give the impression that they will allow small groups of players to dictate the way the game goes. If there is a case to be made for adjusting the way different modes interact with CGs, it needs to be made properly, with the understanding that no single group of players has any right to dictate to others how they should play. And for goodness sake stop putting forwards these idiotic arguments about how 'open' is the only proper way to play the game, and even more idiotic suggestions that people should be 'forced' to play in open. By all available evidence only a minority of players regularly play in open mode, by choice. Because the game was designed from the start to permit such choices, and because people have purchased the game because it does so. FD aren't going to remove anyone's ability to play as they chose, and it isn't an option. Get over it. Or find another game, if you really can't handle the idea that you can't see what all the other players are doing, all the time, and have to assume that anyone you can't see is conspiring against you...

 

[Martind Forlon]

People with your attitude is why the game is broken. You lack reason. plain and simple

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Despite your skewed views, we did NOT violate the EULA... your "Mobius rules" have zero relevance. PERIOD

Doing attack in private group which is not interested with 'no-limit PvP' is making heavy damage and not helping this game at all. This exactly is what made this game broken, no matter what arguments you had for this. You want force others to look on things like you do and this simply will not work on ED, not with given game system.

Btw I also think that there should be not FDev action for manually change purposely done BGS manipulation, not for this one CG. If its unwanted, then do change for next one(s). Change ongoing thing I see as FDev bad move, this can be discussed and this is where imo have players good arguments for negotiations (invasions into private groups are completely opposite in this regard) .

 

[smiths121]

The Lockdown closing the commodities market was actually a master stroke, and clearly the interaction with trading CGs is not something FD saw coming. I did not know it closed down the commodity makret until this CG and the reaction. Not sure it has always done this.

The lockdown was caused by people misbehaving - murder being the quickest method (in the sense you can kill more traders in the same time it takes to get a token in the lockdown bucket any other way). Murder of a player or an NPC has exactly the same contribution to the objective. In reality a player performing the CG in open is probably better geared up to complete the CG and defend against trader hunters than the random profile based NPC. I would also expect the trader NPC trader spawn to be more frequent. If I was trying to get the lockdown I would not bother with players I would be killing the NPCs traders, more of them and easier to do.

Morbius is the interesting thing, whole bunch of PvE geared up players, more players in an instance around the point of attack and less crunchy than the players in open. You also get the trade ship NPC spawn as well, so from lockdown as an objective, invasion of Morbius is actually a good strategy - I am purposefully not getting into the morales of doing it, only pointing out how tempting it is. The mentality of Morbius as Open PVE and the different min/maxing of ships in that environment to open makes using it as part of the strategy for opposing the CG an effective tactic as things stand at the moment.

I would go further and point out whether the private group players are contributing to the CG or not is irrelevant it is the environment and the existence of an OpenPvE group that makes it attractive as a target for generating lockdown, so I do not think limiting contribution to only the minority of players that play in open is going to change the attractiveness of Morbious to those that require a large number of a certain sought of lighlty armoured/armed target.

Given the genie is out of the bag, and anyone can oppose a CG with a delivery component from any mode, I can see why FD reversed the locdown, its not necessarily this CG, but we have a new set of rise to power CGs starting on Thursday. FD consider the lockdown/CG interaction broken and need to manually intervene until they have patched the new behaviour, which hopefully is just a server side patch and will happen in the powerplay cycle Thursday morning before the new CGs are switched on.

There was always gonna be shouting from both sides regardless of how FD resolved lockdown verses this CG. The situation will not come up again with this interaction, but I am sure there are others, I know I'm on the lookout.

Simon

 

[Rambo the 13th]

You act as if Mobius operates as a hive mind. It doesn't. There's many allegiances, not one co-ordinated one.

It doesn't matter. on the first day we attacked Mobius players in the CG, I scouted it to see if anyone was even doing it. Over an hour I watched as T9s, Condas, and Cutters rolled through constantly. The cutter probably made 5 runs in that amount of time alone. Considering he had bare min. internals and 4 mine launchers, I would bank that he was hauling around 800 tons each run unobstructed. This is also unfair to those who actually try to get in the top 5 in open, who have to deal with actual resistance. Frankly, your just wrong. period. The fact you can't see reason and common sense tells everyone how pathetic you folk can be.

 

[Roybe]

It doesn't matter. on the first day we attacked Mobius players in the CG, I scouted it to see if anyone was even doing it. Over an hour I watched as T9s, Condas, and Cutters rolled through constantly. The cutter probably made 5 runs in that amount of time alone. Considering he had bare min. internals and 4 mine launchers, I would bank that he was hauling around 800 tons each run unobstructed. This is also unfair to those who actually try to get in the top 5 in open, who have to deal with actual resistance. Frankly, your just wrong. period. The fact you can't see reason and common sense tells everyone how pathetic you folk can be.

Everyone has the same ability to play where they want. No one is forced to play in any mode over another. No one HAS to get a top 5 in Open or Solo or PG. Play where you are comfortable and most effective. CG's are not about defense...ever...they are purely offensive games. If you want to win something...play harder than someone else...move more PVE stuff.