Sorry, I'm not privy to UK or EU law so the laws over in another country don't effect me
You probably shouldn't be posting on a UK forum as you don't have the relevant experience.
The Star Citizen Thread v5
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You probably shouldn't be posting on a UK forum as you don't have the relevant experience.
How can something be extremely complex and one dimensional?!
Here's a cautionary tale. The parallels are uncanny. Revolutionary product. Hype. Mass funding. A cult of personality. Denial of criticism. Ultimately, it didn't matter how much money they had, they couldn't deliver what they promised. SC backers shouldn't be looking at that $117M like it's some kind of invincible force field; it's no guarantee of success.
I'm excited by the new shopping experience, does any one have any information about the fish shop? Will I be able to buy new tanks and little nets, I'm really hoping I can get one of those treasure chests that burps bubbles!
Can you bring(a source ofc) that quote when they say "COD killer"?
Not really, even when some people here like to forget about it, the refund part only affects new pledges. Everyone that backed before the last change is affected by the old refund policy. And probably the information policy is still applicable to people that don't have accepted the new TOS. And probably the information policy is still applicable to people that has not accepted the new TOS.It's actually very simple, they changed the ToS. This change supersedes the previous ToS; if you disagree with the new ToS, you break the contract. Since you break the contract, you aren't entitled to a refund because the recompense clause is only activated if CIG runs out of money and stops developing. As for a financial audit, same logic applies. Savy
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If the old ToS still apply to backers who were in before the change, where are the financial reports that were promised upon non-delivery? This is one of the crux points of "The new ToS affects everyone", because CiG have simply said "No, you won't get a financial breakdown until we cease development of the game, deal with it."
If I remember correctly, this was from one of their web-shows, possibly 10ftC, so might be hard to pin point
This is demonstrably not true. CIG has said this, but as Streetrollers case shows, Ortwin/CIG tried to deny him a refund under the newest ToS, despite him never agreeing to it and it being the final straw that led him to seeking a refund. All his pledges had happened under an older ToS.
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I'm only sure about the refund part, mostly because is explained in the own TOS. The financial reports, if you don't agree with the new TOS, in my opinion should be delivered, if they choose to do it or not is another story, I'm just talking about the "legal" binding part of the TOS, not what they do with it. Don't know if you understand me.
I can wait, I have patiente!
It is true, read the refund part. Even if CIG did say that, the TOS talk for itself in that case.
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But you acknowledge that CIG is not honoring their old ToS in Streetrollers refund case right? But tried to say he couldn't get a refund under the new ToS. And that CIG lied to paypal when they gave them a tracking number saying the product was delivered.
or are you just going to ignore that CIG do not honor the old ToS and deliberately mislead authorities regarding this.
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Rolan is correct. If you have not agreed to the new tos you can't be bound by them (even if they were legal) no matter what Ortwin says.
Oh I agree with this, I'm just pointing out that CIG's lawyer is not and we have a case where CIG clearly tries to not honor that ToS the customer was actually bound by.
That is the bit that get's me in this whole thing. CIG lied to Paypal? If I was a DA that would be the bit I'd be interested in. Was the tracking number that was passed to Paypal the sort of tracking number that's for physical products tracked by carriers?.. for a digital download?
Did Streetroller give any more details about this tracking number? Was it UPS or FedEx? Because if CIG claimed that they sent out their digital information out in a courier service's van <huh?> And there was nothing there when the van arrived at Streetroller's home <seriously, I must have the wrong end of the stick here> then CIG could accuse the courier service of losing that product.
I really do hope I've got the wrong end of the stick here, because if I don't then it does make you wonder about the veracity of any of CIG's tracking numbers.
You can see the original post from SA, that spawned all the news articles here https://imgur.com/IIwd8sZ
As far as I know there haven't been more clarification on what kind of tracking number that was provided.
Well... even if he agreed to the new TOS this doesn't affect the refund part.
Just some information from the new TOS:
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I know this. How do you not get the part that CIG doesn't honor this. Read Streetrollers exchange with CIG.
Where have I defended CIG about this or the refunds?
So you acknowledge that CIG doesn't honor its own ToS? And in fact does the complete opposite when they deny refunds to customers that are entitled to refunds, like Streetroller?
I'm sorry, I'm going to avoid your game(or at least what it seems to me), I'm not an extremist on any part, neither the goons/haters or the sc fanatics(and I avoid most of those useless fights). And I don't really like to be questioned or forced to say stuff others say just so they could fill their own agenda pointing out "hey look he has said what I wanted him to say".
I don't like, like other things I have already said in the past, their position on refunds.
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