The Star Citizen Thread
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Hehe, well, that's funny because it's true (although I'm not sure those are the rational ones). But also cruel and a little unjust.
Naturally they trust, because they're invested. And it's hardly as if there's no game coming, it's within touching distance and they all know it. Now that is true cruelty, to a gamer.Hehe, well, that's funny because it's true (although I'm not sure those are the rational ones). But also cruel and a little unjust.
All I know it's they who need to take fully responsibility for taking a loyal and forgiving fan base and turning them into... whatever it is you would describe them as now.
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Hair will grow on the back of your hands, and you'll go blind staring at SC general forum for too long. Don't 'cha know that?
Hair will grow on the back of your hands, and you'll go blind staring at SC general forum for too long. Don't 'cha know that?
It's like watching a supernova. Observable from a safe distance. Sure as hell wouldn't want to be in the thick of it. ...But I do think I'm going to run out of popcorn.
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Philip Coutts
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The issue SC has is managing however many millions of dollars they took in against the hype created by taking in however many millions of dollars they have taken in.
People's expectations are sky high and failure to deliver is always going to go down like a knackered lift. They will get there in the end but it's going to be a long and bumpy road.
People's expectations are sky high and failure to deliver is always going to go down like a knackered lift. They will get there in the end but it's going to be a long and bumpy road.
FWIW, I believe they should have stopped taking donations when they received enough to fund their original vision. It probably felt great to see the extra money rolling in for a while, but now it's a monkey on their backs - I can't help feeling that they'll never be able to meet expectations and there could be a huge blowback for future Kickstarter projects.
This is what's most disappointing. I hope it doesn't stop people backing projects on kickstarter. I hope it doesn't come to the "Oh look at what happened to Star Citizen" but people will still support some projects. I've not done the research but I imagine that there are a fair few failed kickstarter projects out there but I don't know any percentage numbers or anything (not that I'm implying SC is a failed kickstarter project yet).
Edit: Oh there's a link here of some, but not many. I guess I'm going off topic of the thread.
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It's ironic how some of the people pointing fingers at the ones overreacting on the CIG forums are some of the very same people overreacting about the delay on these forums.
Look, the idea of a game not reaching it's hype is nothing new. It's pretty common in all aspects of life. Aim high, because if you aim low, then you'll achieve even less. It's likely SC won't meet the expectations of a lot of people. But that line will be different for everyone. For me personally, it's a very good sign with where they're already at with the Hangar module and the videos we've seen of the DFM, and what MY expectations are of the game.
But this sentiment that if the project isn't a huge success it's going to doom Kickstarter is just ridiculous. There is no good reason to think that, and it's just pure speculation. It's as if detractors need to believe it so that they have something else to latch onto and pitch their flags.
Look, the idea of a game not reaching it's hype is nothing new. It's pretty common in all aspects of life. Aim high, because if you aim low, then you'll achieve even less. It's likely SC won't meet the expectations of a lot of people. But that line will be different for everyone. For me personally, it's a very good sign with where they're already at with the Hangar module and the videos we've seen of the DFM, and what MY expectations are of the game.
But this sentiment that if the project isn't a huge success it's going to doom Kickstarter is just ridiculous. There is no good reason to think that, and it's just pure speculation. It's as if detractors need to believe it so that they have something else to latch onto and pitch their flags.
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I don't think anyone is saying the failure of SC will 'Doom Kickstarter'. But if it continues to go badly, make no mistake there's a real concern that future video game projects will be tarred with the same brush.
No idea what you're driving at there.
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Just like I have a real concern that my house will be hit by a tornado this Summer even though my area gets 1 maybe every 25 years?
star citizen is going to be a grate game but the forum is a most fluffy rainbow land full of men that like my little pony and hello kitty and with there over the top p.c nice over the top policing of the forum its ruining the hole thing i mean pirates the are just good miss understood people that will invite you aboard for tea and biscuits i *** is that about you want to play the bad guy and you have to deal with people like that god i hope this forum is not like that is the men on hear man? dose this game have orgs any pirate or criminal orgs i can apply for ?
No, more like, "Hey dude, trust me, don't back that kick starter video game project. Didn't you hear what happened to Star Citizen? They had all the funding in the world, biggest kick starter ever, gamers gave them 100s of dollars each, some even gave them thousands, and then it turned out to be a complete cluster, and then no one could get their money back."
This is the danger for future video game kickstarter projects if things continue to go badly with Star Citizen.
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Well, when you have 450,000 backers, there will be a few disgruntled people .
I don't think it's really like Elite, where I think the pay wall has helped Elite to be honest, because they have a big core of their original fans. Where as in SC it was much easier to get behind the game and the core of CR fans were outnumbered a long time ago. Everyone jumped on the SC hype train, even those who never played space ship games or played a single CR game. People keep saying SC will revolutionize the gaming industry and what they are doing has never been done before etc. In reality all CR and his team are doing is making a modern day WC/Freelancer/Starlancer/Freespace with updated graphics. There will be a lot of disappointed people who are expecting something else.
. I don't think it's really like Elite, where I think the pay wall has helped Elite to be honest, because they have a big core of their original fans. Where as in SC it was much easier to get behind the game and the core of CR fans were outnumbered a long time ago. Everyone jumped on the SC hype train, even those who never played space ship games or played a single CR game. People keep saying SC will revolutionize the gaming industry and what they are doing has never been done before etc. In reality all CR and his team are doing is making a modern day WC/Freelancer/Starlancer/Freespace with updated graphics. There will be a lot of disappointed people who are expecting something else.
Like many here I'm a SC & ED backer (and old school elite player) and I sincerely belive there is a place for both in the game market, because, after all, space is pretty dam big. But having actually played (Tested!) ED I can't help but admit that I've kinda fallen in love with its grand scale with such a comparitively small budget.
I was so looking forward to SC when it was annouced and I remember sitting at my PC counting the pledges as they came in for it to make its crowdfunding target. However, with the DFM now delayed, TBH I'm all a bit Meh, and have been for some time now?
That's not a critisim of SC per se', although I do think that CIG have an huge task on their hands to meet the expectations that they themselves have helped to cultivate. I really hope that CR manages to pull it all together, I was totally sold on the intro trailer and hope that he can realise his vision. After all, it was that, his pedegree and his genuine enthusiam that inspired me to pledge. Oh that and we hadn't a bleedin' decent space sim for years!
I think my ambivalence has a lot of it is to do with the fact that I can, right now, scoot about in my lovely Cobra MkIII and oggle at the flippin' enormous universe that we are primed to inhabit. Ok it's not been an entirely smooth Journey for ED, but I think that FD are getting more right than they are getting wrong, and I do like the development path that ED is taking especially after reading what is in store for us in the DDF logs WOW!
So, am I exceptionally bothered that the SC DFM is delayed and I won't get to fly my Freelancer.......
I suppose I should be, but I'm strangely not, It'll be ready when its ready, ho-hum!
I was so looking forward to SC when it was annouced and I remember sitting at my PC counting the pledges as they came in for it to make its crowdfunding target. However, with the DFM now delayed, TBH I'm all a bit Meh, and have been for some time now?
That's not a critisim of SC per se', although I do think that CIG have an huge task on their hands to meet the expectations that they themselves have helped to cultivate. I really hope that CR manages to pull it all together, I was totally sold on the intro trailer and hope that he can realise his vision. After all, it was that, his pedegree and his genuine enthusiam that inspired me to pledge. Oh that and we hadn't a bleedin' decent space sim for years!
I think my ambivalence has a lot of it is to do with the fact that I can, right now, scoot about in my lovely Cobra MkIII and oggle at the flippin' enormous universe that we are primed to inhabit. Ok it's not been an entirely smooth Journey for ED, but I think that FD are getting more right than they are getting wrong, and I do like the development path that ED is taking especially after reading what is in store for us in the DDF logs WOW!
So, am I exceptionally bothered that the SC DFM is delayed and I won't get to fly my Freelancer.......
I suppose I should be, but I'm strangely not, It'll be ready when its ready, ho-hum!
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You know what the cure for that is?
Don't donate to a project in development more than you can afford to lose.
It's a lesson that everyone involved with Kickstarter should learn as soon as they can. It's NOT the same thing as buying a game, or even pre-ording a game.
Star Citizen falling on its face won't stop me backing other video game kick starter projects. The point is it will put a great many others off.
Like many here I'm a SC & ED backer (and old school elite player) and I sincerely belive there is a place for both in the game market, because, after all, space is pretty dam big. But having actually played (Tested!) ED I can't help but admit that I've kinda fallen in love with its grand scale with such a comparitively small budget.
I was so looking forward to SC when it was annouced and I remember sitting at my PC counting the pledges as they came in for it to make its crowdfunding target. However, with the DFM now delayed, TBH I'm all a bit Meh, and have been for some time now?
That's not a critisim of SC persay, although I do think they have an huge task on their hands to meet the expectations that they themselves have helped to cultivate.
I think a lot of it is to do with the fact that I can scoot about in my lovely Cobra MkIII and oggle at the flippin' enormous universe that we are primed to inhabit. Ok it's not been an entirely smooth Journey for ED, but I think that FD are getting more right than they are getting wrong, and I do like the development path that ED is taking especially after reading what is in store for us in the DDF logs WOW!
So, am I exceptionally bothered that the SC DFM is delayed and I won't get to fly my Freelancer....... Strangely no, ho-hum!
I ask you:
If I choose to fly an Asp, and be a pirate, would this make me an Asp Bandit?
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If Star Citizen "falls on it's face" then I think it's a GOOD thing if it educates people to not put in hundreds of dollars that they aren't prepared to lose.
Far too many people sink way too much money into Kickstarter projects without taking the time to consider the consequences, or thinking that it entitles them to things which it doesn't. I would rather people wake up and not have SC or ED happen than have people losing money that they NEED for life essentials.
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This.
I've missed the kickstarter for Limit Theory and I would love to support the guy writing that game. Considering all the fun I've had with the monthly video updates and the daily dev reports I feel like I *should* be contributing something to that project. The dev has made it clear though that the kickstarter is finished, he has accumulated enough funds to get the job done and people can buy it when it is ready, done and finished.
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