UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

[Dark_Helmet]

Do you know we've got a list of Systems from that CMDR?

http://i.imgur.com/ndgGOQ9.jpg

Cheers

Yup, had actually already hit up a few of them before the list, but then focused on his list for the last few hours too, still awful :/

He DID reveal another small detail in one of his replies too.

The system he claims to have found it in has a red/orange landable planet in it. He says the signal source was near to this planet, as it was the one he wanted to land at to take his screenshot, and the source almost made him overshoot.

 

[Colonel Kenney]

Fair point.

They do look EXACTLY like the ones from the Voyager probe though (http://i.imgur.com/gTHRx3Q.gif) which I'd take as a hint from FD that they assume we don't understand binary and need some help to twig it.

Personally I think we're reading way too much into this single image. For me its fairly obvious now that the UAs were "recon" things for tracking ships (hence the morse code ship outlines), and the UPs are recon things for planets/stations/something else. There may not be a "meaning" for us to actually work out here at all - could just be part of the fiction and a case of "put something on screen that looks techno" just like all the "hacking scenes" in movies that have a screen with something "that looks techno" but is actually meaningless crap (or perhaps some random HTML from eBay's home page or something...) Who knows what other "scans" we'll get out of other UPs as people find them - perhaps the future ones will have different images and we can start other 10000 page threads for each of those too where everyone and their dog draws some colourful lines over the image to work out how the Egyptians built the pyramids ;-)

Happy to be proven wrong though

I didn't see that image. I saw some of the other images but not that one. Thanks for pointing it out. You've changed my mind .

This could actually back my theory that the UP is actually man made. Separate purposes not totally unrelated to the UA. One is more advanced than the other because maybe the barnacles are primitive naturally evolving species. The UP is more advanced because we've had at least 700 years ago and plenty of time to research it.

 

[rizal72]

Are these the ones he visited and, supposedly, one of which he found a UP in? Thanks for the list. I would have just bumbled around without it xD

Yes, DL-Y d20 was his guess. We've CMDRs already checking it.

 

[Allant Doran]

Yes, DL-Y d20 was his guess. We've CMDRs already checking it.

Well I can soon lend a hand too. At best all I can do is explore and behave patiently so if there's anywhere people need me, let me know.

 

[koop26]

Isn't Raxxla described as a key in one of the missions? Weird they use the term key.

 

[Dark_Helmet]

DL-Y D20 had 4-5 of us in it for a good while, saw maybe 3 t0 degraded emissions between us all in the time I was in there...that system also JUST contains the main star, so isn't the one he found the source in.

 

[aelemental]

Guys a question of sorts:

I understand that the UAs decay by being picked up and dropped, is that correct ? and that the signal they emit is cleanest at the start.

If that is so, do you think scanning a freshly found UP before picking it up would yield a better quality sonogram with some extra information ?
Using the middle location and only high frequency seems like the sweet spot and i doubt there is anything else in the low frequency but .. cant help but wonder ..

Apologies if this has been already suggested or dismissed, its hard to keep track of all the posts ^_^

Ael

 

[Obnoxious_Gamer]

Wait, I just thought of something; Merope 5C's polar coordinates are reversed on the HUD, right? Wouldn't that mean that its magnetic field is reversed from normal? If it's the only planet in the Merope system to have reversed poles, it would suggest that 5C is much older than the other planets, as the only reasons for that happening (that I recall ) are to do with changes in output from the nearest star. Can someone please confirm/deny this?

Sorry, repost because I didn't see yays/nays. Does this hold any water?

 

[rizal72]

I didn't see that image. I saw some of the other images but not that one. Thanks for pointing it out. You've changed my mind .

This could actually back my theory that the UP is actually man made. Separate purposes not totally unrelated to the UA. One is more advanced than the other because maybe the barnacles are primitive naturally evolving species. The UP is more advanced because we've had at least 700 years ago and plenty of time to research it.

Well, that image is on the FrontPage since day one together with the golden disk image, but you know, you've put me in your ignore list perhaps, to not "disturb" you solving the mystery, so maybe you've missed it
I hope you didn't miss me finding the UP Convoy, or me getting the UP reply to my lucky Honk, or me decoding the UA morse for all the ships.

Suggesting people to add other people to their ignore list is not fair, nor smart, IMHO.
In 8 threads I've never ever added anyone in my ignore list, because I think that EVERYONE could be important. Everyone could count.

Take care.

 

[PaulR]

using adobe auditions, i found if play the area with a little sound amplify:

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/2csMX21.jpg

Am sure i can hear it say.......

"No, you are not permitted "

https://w.soundcloud.com/player/?url=https://api.soundcloud.com/tracks/275654073

can any-one else hear this? am wondering if i'm wanting something to be there and my head is messing me about...
Could some one who knows more about sound editing take a look?

the voice i'm hearing comes just after the honk so seems like it could be answering, in errrr, English no less

No sorry I don't hear that, I just hear noise

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Well I can soon lend a hand too. At best all I can do is explore and behave patiently so if there's anywhere people need me, let me know.

Its a system with a single star. I ve just arrived but its too late for me to start exploring.

 

[DudleySmith]

I'm not a geologist, but I thought that all planets with active cores flip their magnetic fields periodically. The earth has done it looks of times, and you can see dipoles frozen in each direction in the mid-Atlantic fault line where the rocks cooled and solidified. I thought it was purely a core thing rather than anything to do with the star, but my information might be greatly out of date.

 

[Ninjahat]

DL-Y D20 had 4-5 of us in it for a good while, saw maybe 3 t0 degraded emissions between us all in the time I was in there...that system also JUST contains the main star, so isn't the one he found the source in.

Confirmed. I was there.

 

[Erid]

If I remember well, you were one of the first, if not the first, to propose it
Your drawings are still on the frontpage.
Cheers

Old hypothesis
as for me it is not logical
without a clearly UA shell radius this hypothesis pointed to many systems

 

[brianpansky]

Wait, I just thought of something; Merope 5C's polar coordinates are reversed on the HUD, right? Wouldn't that mean that its magnetic field is reversed from normal? If it's the only planet in the Merope system to have reversed poles, it would suggest that 5C is much older than the other planets, as the only reasons for that happening (that I recall ) are to do with changes in output from the nearest star. Can someone please confirm/deny this?

I think the polarity of a planet just shifts on its own, here's wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal#Causes

We don't totally know why it reverses. Some think it's spontaneous, and notably some experiments seem to support this possibility. Some think it can be influenced by meteors and plate tectonics....but nothing conclusive, and nothing about the nearest star.

 

[frostypaw]

I have spent the last 3 days doing this.

So far, I've found nothing. My method:

First, a graphic showing how I interpreted elements of the coded circle:

http://imgur.com/QOFg1Dk.jpg

Armed with calculated lengths for the east and south distances, I converted them to Lat,Lon:

1/2 Circumference of Merope 5c = 4643km / 180 degrees = 25.8 km per degree Lat (and Lon, only at equator).

Thus:
461.61km east = +17.851 degrees
512km south = -19.8453 degrees

So, now we must place these coordinates in relation to where GP (the geographic position of Merope 5) is located. Thanks to others on this thread, and some hunting in-game, I established that Merope 5 is at 90* overhead at Lat (+15.78 to -15.78), Lon -116.7334. Apparently, due to a slightly non-circular orbit, Merope 5 travels in a north-south line overhead during an orbit.

Since my math is easy at the equator, and since Merope 5's path crosses it, I center the GP of Merope 5 at 0,-116.7334.

This results in the EP falling at +19.845,-134.5884. Adding Merope 5's north-south variance to this position the EP falls on a north-south line of coordinates:
Lat (+4.065 to +35.625), Lon -134.5844

And when I go there along that line, and turn my ship to heading 318 (the measured Angle of Azimuth on the coded graphic image), sure enough there is Merope 5, about 50-60 degrees up. The alignment of Merope 5 at that point varies with the planet orbit, but it's clear the setup appears to be in the correct general idea.

I flew that entire line north to south, and never found anything.

And since there appears to be some "unexpected" behavior with the north/south Latitude values (heading toward 0 degrees results in negative Latitudes, rather than positive), I rotated the placement of the EP triangle by 180 degrees. This gave again a north-south EP position range of:

Lat (-4.065 to -35.625), Lon -98.8824

Now, when I turn my ship to heading 138 (opposite of the Azimuth Angle, since I've rotated the position by 180 degrees), there is Merope 5 again at 50-60 degrees up. So my position is diagonally opposite from the original.

Flew the entire north to south line there, upside down at 1 to 2km altitude, and saw nothing.

Granted, there is huge room for error here. Small math errors could mean kilometers of course change. And my use of plane geometry on a spherical surface is probably not ideal.

But I had to get close, just to see if this was actually a Position Circle. This was the best I managed after 3 days. Maybe someone else can take it further!

I admire your efforts! But quite aside from the observations from others about your altitude - did you honk?

The diagram on the right says to me you need to honk the surface pretty clearly - not that if you didn't the experiment was worthless, it's still good data just need to be clear What data

 

[rizal72]

Old hypothesis
as for me it is not logical
without a clearly UA shell radius this hypothesis pointed to many systems

we are not talking about logic here, but about a fresh change of perspective that sometimes is needed. Even if wrong in some details.
You could be missing the big picture otherwise

 

[Zatoichie]

Capital ship floating by Merope main star

 

[Dreadp1r4te]

Sorry, repost because I didn't see yays/nays. Does this hold any water?

Negative; magnetic poles can flip just on the principle of a planet's molten core shifting about. Earth's magnetic field, for example, switches polarity every 200-300k years, according to this article from NASA.

 

[CMDR-AD]

Wow!!! [up] [up] I solute you for figuring this all out!! But! What would happen if you took the shell of UAs around Merope as a reference sphere, not the Merope itself as you've done here? Wouldn't that give some different results? The idea that that circle could represent UAs shell, not a planet, has resurfaced here recently and I was also thinking that some time ago. But then what would be your reference points?

Creating the triangle to indicate the distance between the celestial reference and the estimated target position would not be too tough.

The real trouble would be finding two key elements:

1) An agreed upon celestial body upon which to target the measurement.
2) An agreed upon reference for "north".

IMO, you might pick a reasonable celestial target with a few guesses. SOL or Sirius maybe, centered from Merope?

But then the real trouble, what is used as "north"? Without that critical reference, you can't locate your Azimuth Angle around the (huge!) circle drawn in the UA shell, so far as I know.

And another potential struggle, could be dealing with locating your position within the UA shell accurately. The Galaxy map uses a X,Z,Y coordinate (or something like that), and someone would need to work out the math on how to adapt the math measurements to those coordinates.

Probably could be done. I did my work on Merope 5c with pencil and paper, but I'd guess a 3D software would be far superior for mapping the UA shell systems, overlaying the Galaxy Map coordinates, and the agreed upon celestial and "north" references.

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I admire your efforts! But quite aside from the observations from others about your altitude - did you honk?

The diagram on the right says to me you need to honk the surface pretty clearly - not that if you didn't the experiment was worthless, it's still good data just need to be clear What data

Yes, I did honk.

At each northern and southern extreme point, and at the center of the route, I honked my ADS, then landed and circled with the SRV scanning for any Wave Scanner echoes.

Zero results for each.

 

[HBosch]

Can't hear anything there.

This is keeping me awake at night. Considering and reconsidering there are 2 possibilities

1) THe key is an instruction to decode the audio further
2) THe key is an instruction to a certain location.

Try as i might there is no sensible way that key relates to a location. I've tried reinterpreting it as instructions to move ship but just doesn't work.

In favour od 2)

THe messages coming from the capital ship were clearly a test run of the spectrogram and it appears they were deliberately messing part of the image up at lower frequencies.

the | .. and ..| symbol can be readily interpreted as a start and stop symbol without too much imagination and if you look at the spectrogram below that point it appears different to other areas of the spectrogram. I.e. not randomly different.

I think frontier have been careful about making that part of the audio very carefully hidden unless you solve the puzzle. PLaying with audacity and using vocal isolater at frequencies below the image ( 300 - 1000 Hz) you can hear a distinct sound in that part of the recording. SO i think there is something there.

THe x axis - time seems important with the quadrant of the circle lining up to 1 sec. If all this is true than the top right symbol may be a symbol for noise.

SO that leaves the . | . symbol and the circle unexplained. THe line above the circle in the left upper quadrant seems to indicate direction (perhaps anticlockwise - perhaps reversal)
THe lines coming off the circle appear to indicate a range. The circles circumference is 2 pi r ( r being 1 second) which is 6.28 seconds and the range being 3 1/3 sec to 4 2/3 sec....
or 7/12 to 8/12 of circumference. Could this be a frequency range? The radius line in the circle could indicate the rate of play. 3/8 of the circle clockwise, 5/8 of the circle anticlockwise.

THe speherical appearance of the clircle is still unexplained. the .|. symbol is still unexplained. Am quite interested to see from anyone else reading this how much of this logic makes any sense, and how much is a leap too far?