No New "Bubble" Please

[WR3ND]

Might just be arguing semantics, but I'd rather not have the same old just at a remote location out near the galactic core. I think it's an important distinction though as it's related to how people view it and the meaning, lore, and appeal behind it.

A group of exploration and research base stations that end up being self sufficient is near the extent I would personally care for and find compelling and meaningful. I'm thinking something along the lines of the camps and research stations set up in Antarctica.

Expansion into a remote location just for the kicks of it isn't appealing to me at all. It seems fairly artificial, contrived, and frankly rather narrow minded.

On the other hand, something that might make more sense given the circumstances... How much thought was really given to evacuating Jaques Station? Granted, this is somewhat of a rhetorical question. But, should it be?

We'll see how this all plays out, of course. I'm just hoping for perhaps a bit more substance and a bit less pageantry.

Your thoughts?

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PS: Still on my way with 216t. Hope to make it within the week.

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Further clarification of what I mean...

When I'm referring to the "bubble" I'm talking about the volume of all of human colonized space near Sol, most of which is empty, and some of which still contains undiscovered virgin stellar systems.

I don't see a lore related need, incentive, nor rational and realistic chance of creating a new "bubble" out in some remote location just because Jaques Station fell out of witch space there.

Sure, maybe in a few hundred years there could be a full galactic Power equivalent there with many different factions, etc.

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For further clarification of what I'm getting at, here is Erimus's post later in the thread and my response to it...

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There are people working on a background story regarding the new bubble, hoping to give it an interesting foundation to grow from once the novelty wears off and the CGs come to an end. It has potential to be an interesting entity in the game if it gets the dev time it deserves.

The fact that the August Exodus is on course to becoming one of the largest player created events tells you there is a drive to make this work. Coupled with the background story that's about to be played out via Exodus, plenty of people seem delighted that another bubble is on the cards.

Now whether FD embrace the player content and coming storyline is another matter. No news and no roadplan from them on what is planned doesn't give a lot of us much hope that this is nothing more than a bone thrown to the exploration community, and once we get a colony, that will be that. Novelty wears off, players go home, and another great bit of potential dies a death. Let's hope not!

Thanks. I realize that I'm being somewhat confrontational in the OP, though that wasn't really my intention. I might not always have the most tact when trying to get my points across.

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It's like half the game we're playing is some imagined meta version of it, though we all have somewhat different imaginations. We can find common ground here and there, of course, and likely many of us are drawn to the game and helping Jaques Station for some of the same reasons.

Bubble 2.0 for the sake of bubble 2.0 is a bit of a roadblock for me, especially without having further clarification of what is meant and intended by having a new "bubble" and the in-game ramifications of it and lore related reasons for it.

Growing from a group of research and exploration related outposts and stations makes some sense to me, but having the initial talk of there being a "new bubble" comes across to me like counting your chickens before your dinosaur eggs have hatched.

Warning, thinly stretched analogy inbound... If I wanted chickens, I can go to any of a number of the farms in human colonized space. I'd like having the opportunity to play with some dinosaurs.

Apologies if I've come across as insulting anyone in particular. That wasn't my intent.

 

[TheGrimCorsair]

Of course there'll be a new bubble. I mean, how else did you think FDev would handle the implementation of a raid dungeon to go with our new raid gear?

 

[Henkka77]

You dont want new bubble, but participating in building it.

Ok.

 

[Darth Ender]

Since fd drew in a bunch of players who have a mentality that can't deal with things taking time to do, fsd's now routinely exceed 30ly. Sometimes over 40. A separate bubble thousands of ly away is a good way to make the galaxy large again.

So absent of that, fsd's should be nerfed back so that 100ly is a big deal.

 

[tanj redshirt]

I think an outpost or two is all we'll get for a while. It'll take years to "grow" a bubble, realistically a generation or more.

 

[WR3ND]

You dont want new bubble, but participating in building it.

Ok.

Like I said, we'll see how it plays out. I'm hoping for a bit more, or a bit less, depending on your point of view.

 

[CMDR Aengus]

Possibility of emergent content, totally player led.
We might not be able to build and own stations and bases.
However, here is an opportunity to start a whole new sector of space with direct player input.
Go out there and build mooncastles.

 

[Bacalao]

I'm hoping it gets as big as we want to make it. I'm hoping one day anyone can, with enough effort in meeting requirements, start a little bubble of their own anywhere they want.

 

[WR3ND]

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And here I am making the trek in my Cargothon that has a jump range of a bit over 15LY loaded as it currently is. [downcast]

Maybe should have taken the time to get another tier 5 FSD range mod for this ship too, but I'm not sure that I plan on keeping it.

 

[Kira Mikamy]

There's already a new bubble, atm formed by one System.
Background sim usually expand only in system wheres there population, but sometime a bug or maybe not a bug, make the expansion trough an empty system.
My faction one time has expand into a system without base of any kind (planetary or in space) , but with some population (no earth like)

Frontier added very fast a Planetary Base for us so i think added planet stations its simple and fast.

 

[Shar]

Might just be arguing semantics, but I'd rather not have the same old just at a remote location out near the galactic core. I think it's an important distraction though as it's related to how people view it and the meaning, lore, and appeal behind it.

A group of exploration and research base stations that end up being self sufficient is near the extent I would personally care for and find compelling and meaningful. I'm thinking something along the lines of the camps and research stations setup in Antarctica.

Expansion into a remote location just for the kicks of it isn't appealing to me at all. It seems fairly artificial, contrived, and frankly rather narrow minded.

On the other hand, something that might make more sense given the circumstances... How much thought was really given to evacuating Jaques Station? Granted, this is somewhat of a rhetorical question. But, should it be?

We'll see how this all plays out, of course. I'm just hoping for perhaps a bit more substance and a bit less pageantry.

Your thoughts?

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PS: Still on my way with 216t. Hope to make it within the week.

We can all thank god you will not be responsible for mankind's real expansion, it might be contrived and artificial but that beats lack of imagination and narrow-mindedness every time. Even in the elite universe mankind will need to expand or the thargoids will.
Exploring and colonizing is what humans do why should it be any different in this simulation. I actually find your suggestion comical. [haha] .

 

[Bacalao]

There's already a new bubble, atm formed by one System.
Background sim usually expand only in system wheres there population, but sometime a bug or maybe not a bug, make the expansion trough an empty system.
My faction one time has expand into a system without base of any kind (planetary or in space) , but with some population (no earth like)

Frontier added very fast a Planetary Base for us so i think added planet stations its simple and fast.

Yes, planetary bases are not part of the stellar forge the way stations are so they can make changes to and with them much faster.

 

[Cageman]

Hummm.... Hmmm...

If we ignore the fact that you are going there with cargo, because you, for some reason, decided to do so...

In what way does this affect the game in a negative way? Let us all pretend that you were in the bubble doing your stuff... In what way does it make this game bad/worse or... whatever you would call it?

And... what is this "same old" you rant about? And, if that is a case to be true, why the hell are you doing it again and in the same breath complain?

Your post is unclear. If you can clarify what you mean, it might be easier for me to understand. Right now, I have my jaw opened.

 

[WR3ND]

We can all thank god you will not be responsible for mankind's real expansion, it might be contrived and artificial but that beats lack of imagination and narrow-mindedness every time. Even in the elite universe mankind will need to expand or the thargoids will.
Exploring and colonizing is what humans do why should it be any different in this simulation. I actually find your suggestion comical. [haha] .

I'm not sure if you're being serious with this post or not.

Game-wise, I feel no real compelling reasons for humanity to deserve my allegiance. I'm a nice guy though, so I try and help out where I can, when I think help is justified. I'd have no problem helping Thargoinds either.

Expansion for the sake of expansion doesn't really appeal to me. I prefer a more sustainable balance and natural order.

 

[WR3ND]

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I'm primarily an explorer, so "my stuff" mostly isn't in the bubble. Why would I want a new bubble to not do my stuff in?

I'm just voicing a different outlook and preference here, not stating a "new bubble" causes me harm.

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In general, when I think of "the bubble" I think of all of human colonized space. I don't really see the need nor appeal of having version 2.0 somewhere else.

 

[Bacalao]

I'm primarily an explorer, so "my stuff" mostly isn't in the bubble. Why would I want a new bubble to not do my stuff in?

I'm just voicing a different outlook and preference here, not stating a "new bubble" causes me harm.

Plus calling it contrived and narrow minded. Which is quite the opposite of what I see in this. The enthusiastic support rallied behind this CG so quickly is evidence that real people behind those digital cockpits genuinely want to expand for a wide variety of reasons. There are explorers, adventurers, pioneers and expansionists. Opportunitsts, xenologists, warriors and pirates. All with different reasons for wanting a new bubble.

 

[Comrade Napoleon]

I can not fathom why that should cause worry :O
In my view : the more the merrier

Cheers Cmdr's

 

[WR3ND]

Plus calling it contrived and narrow minded. Which is quite the opposite of what I see in this. The enthusiastic support rallied behind this CG so quickly is evidence that real people behind those digital cockpits genuinely want to expand for a wide variety of reasons. There are explorers, adventurers, pioneers and expansionists. Opportunitsts, xenologists, warriors and pirates. All with different reasons for wanting a new bubble.

Preferring something else, something new, something different, I can only hope that some of these purported hopes of others aren't realized.

If this is the real goal of these CGs, they should have called them InstaBubble 2.0 Mk. X or something so I knew they weren't intended for me to participate in. [blah]

Fortunately, I don't base my opinions of things on what other people tell me I should and you don't speak on behalf of everyone else.

 

[monogenetic]

I don't care so much for a new bubble but something similar to what the OP mentioned . What would have been even better is if FD peppered the galaxy with different civilizations with varying degrees of technological development. Civilizations with unique ships, stations, and weapons. How awesome would it be to chance encounter a civilization on the very edge of the galaxy that has only just begun to populate it's own solar system? Deeper game play, real exploration and discovery...imagine that. Instead we have a bubble where everything is the same wherever you go. A new bubble will be the same thing all over again. I'm not interested to help out with the CG at all.

 

[varonica]

I suspect the new "bubble" is an integral part of the Thargoid story, when the manure hits the fan people will be fleeing the bubble for safety, I expect convoys of refugees escorted by multi-player manned ships carrying fighters. The lack of point here is that without knowing what FDev has planned for the future there's nothing to really discuss.

I really expect jacques station wasn't supposed to be found so soon, and so long before the rest of the Thargoid story, but players being players FDev have to deal with it. Your not liking it isn't really an issue, you don't have to take part.