UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

[Zatoichie]

i think some of the clues to this puzzle will come from Halsey. Its really been bothering me when she was found she rambled about "Architects of creation". "They are out there. I have seen them. We must put aside our petty differences and work together to establish contact. There is so much we could learn from them." The former leader purports to have seen "the true architects of creation" and to have been shown what she describes as "the infinities of the cosmos" – assertions that, along with her slowed speech, have seen her condemned as mentally unstable by some commentators. - 'Jasmina Halsey Appeals For Exploration Data'

"I remember very little, really. A thunderous noise, then silence. Being thrown across the bridge in my chair, and then being unable to breathe. I remember one of my bodyguards getting me to the pod as things floated about silently, like a dream. The last thing I remember is a terrible pain in my ears and a very loud noise as the pod filled with what looked like steam. - 'Halsey Talks to The Media' l this entry here. Thats our UP. Thrown across the bridge. Sounds like our EMP blast

"True Architects of Creation".............maybe 5C is artificial. Maybe somethin in ORBIT around 5C is artificial.......I think talking to the probe will lead us to an orbital station and the specto is the map that shows us where it is.

adding to this I believe its a station we are looking for. The 1st part of the image i think is a crude drawing of an Orbis starport. If I remember correctly the phantom diamond back explorer scanned Obsidian Orbital and vanished. Obsidian orbital is also an Orbis starport. We know that the UA scans our ships and draws an image of them Maybe the DBX scanned obsidian so that they can create their own Orbis. This Orbis is in geostationary orbit to the planet depicted in the specto and speaking to the UP should tell us where this is located. MB what say you? lol

 

[Ninjahat]

looks like they are also gone now... wow... my immersion just went out of the door

No... COL 70 and Horsehead Dark Region is still locked by unknown permit...

 

[slartybartfast]

They weren't locked before.

Col 70, Col 121, Horsehead Dark Region and a few others surrounding it, but not Witchhead or Orion.

Hmmm Orion the "archer" bit like the left of the pic.

 

[Lordxenu]

He's going to do one and provide. PMd him earlier and he confirmed it was already on his list.

Am I the only one slightly excited at honking 2 UP's at once like the second will fill in the picture?

 

[iFred]

No... COL 70 and Horsehead Dark Region is still locked by unknown permit...

don´t see a single permit system there. Horsehead MM-W D1-4 was permit locked, now its open. Will do a client restart shortly, seems like a bug.

*edit: client restart shows permit required*

*runs* sorry guys

 

[Belthize]

My big issue with LOG scale in the Y axis: Log is based on base 10. Every line is an order of magnitude larger. IE: 10, 100, 1000, 10000, 100000, etc... Notice that is BASE 10 counting? Why use base 2 symbols (assuming the symbols in the corners are binary), then encode a message in sound where the end user must use Base 10 to get the scale right?

I'm sorry, I don't buy it. Either the symbols are not base 2 (binary) , or the sound should not be scaled base 10. One or the other, not both.

Maybe once we figure out how to get that grid perfect, the rest of the image will clear up too.

It's base10 because a real life human made it. Somebody (almost certainly MB) made a picture in some graphics package. They then converted that picture to audio using some frequency scaling function (probably either MEL or Log) with a fixed time vs frequency relationship and probably using some off the shelf software package with those options set. We're then reversing the process. If you use the same scaling function (MEl, Log, Bark etc) *and* you the same frequency vs time relationship then you will faithfully reproduce the original image, if you use a different scaling function or you have a different frequency vs time relation ship (1) you will get a similar but inaccurate reproduction that is distorted in the Y axis.

1) The latter is basically a function of grabbing the window in something like audacity and dragging it vertically till the circle is uniform, that's different than the frequency scaling.

 

[Kerrec Snowmane]

What if the image didn't represent a circle, but a sphere/hemisphere, with the viewpoint slightly from above the plane made by the equator?

Then the lines would be slightly inconsistent between top and bottom, as one half would be slightly squished relatove to the other.

Also, if you can explain why it is the vertical thickness of the outer glow on the bottom and top portions of the circle is consistent only when displayed logarithmically, i.e. by saying why it's right that it should be inconsistent as it is in linear view, then I might accept the idea of the 'correct' view being that of the egg.

I am NOT saying that a linear representation is correct. I'm saying I find it very suspicious because a log (base 10) is an awefully HUMAN convention. I agree the egg shape is not correct. I'm saying the image has not been scaled correctly yet.

 

[CMDR AridKillzone]

I can confirm the the permits required for the Witch Head and Orion nebulas has been removed. I'm heading to the Witch Head nebula to see if i can find anything

Witch Head sector and Orion Dark sector have never been locked. As a matter of fact, if you are approaching Barnard's Loop from the front, Orion Dark Region is the only way to get through ever since they imposed the permit locks.

 

[Ozric]

I am NOT saying that a linear representation is correct. I'm saying I find it very suspicious because a log (base 10) is an awefully HUMAN convention. I agree the egg shape is not correct. I'm saying the image has not been scaled correctly yet.

How do you know that base 10 is a human convention? How do you know that there aren't other civilisations in other parts of the universe that also use it and have been doing so for far longer than us? I find people saying things are too human and not alien enough a very bizarre argument as no one knows what they would use. They just ascertain that it has to be different from what we use. Why?

 

[TheNavvie]

I have an instinctive distrust of 'gift horses'. Frontier may just be giving you two out of the kindness of their hearts, but I think it's more likely that 'something' will happen with two UPs together.

My suspicion is that they've given you two because they didn't realise how hard it would be to find or fight for them.

Therefore I'd say that all experiments need to focused on both UPs, followed by one UP - to see if there's any differences in results. (You're probably doing this already, but I thought it was worth clarifying!)

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Allant Doran]

How do you know that base 10 is a human convention? How do you know that there aren't other civilisations in other parts of the universe that also use it and have been doing so for far longer than us? I find people saying things are too human and not alien enough a very bizarre argument as no one knows what they would use. They just ascertain that it has to be different from what we use. Why?

They make those claims because there are more numbers than the one '10' so it is more likely.

However, given a value we know nothing about, in this case aliens, it is impossible to determine.

You are completely right that people should not say it seems too human. That is currently an assumption based from bias.

 

[Ozric]

Welp, Halsey has clearly been brainwashed or cloned:

https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/579b29419657baf84b598970

Intriguing. I had maintained that both her and Palin had been "altered" when they disappeared, but this is a slightly strange turn of events. That is her new attitude, becoming friendly with the Alliance was only a matter of time. They want to keep a close eye on Edward, though to be fair I wouldn't be surprised if they had their finger's in a few pies already.

 

[Spruxxx]

Everyone but an certifiable loon will agree that the right hand side is just "echo" of the main image
The left hand side isnt and is still a mystery. Many have called for more and better recordings, or for the area to be examined with other tools, but that requires more UP to experiment with. So go get em !

I've been trying! But without success so far. G99-49 4 (or 5, can't remember soz) spawns a fair number of Convoy threat 4s from what I've seen. But just the usual T9s plus escorts.

Agreed, I initially assumed the right hand side was simply an echo - and it probably is - but there were a couple of interesting differences, especially with the strange symbol in the top right. Let's see what the next spectagraph reveals.

Hello everyone,

I bring good news today! I would first like to thank the FDev support team for finally agreeing that the second probe I had was indeed lost to a scooping bug with the SRV on the surface of Merope 5 C, thanks to a second video I made explaining point by point how the probe was lost instead of destroyed, and why it was entirely not my fault (comparing footage and sound of an Unknown Artefact getting destroyed versus the loss of the Unknown Probe I had recorded).

As a thank you, the support team did not return one but TWO (2) Unknown Probes to me (the first had been lost to what I believe to be a shield clipping bug, but I only had audio to prove it). I will now resume experiments and do a few things with both before giving one back to a Canonn member.

I am still taking requests via PM so, if you have an experiment in mind, feel free to message me and I'll see what I can do!

Good news everyone!

https://memegenerator.net/instance/69767280

 

[Vitamin Arrr]

The UP points invariably to the center, even when checking from different angles. Triangulation has already been considered.

Perhaps what we are looking for is *inside* the planet, Merop 5C. Imagine a huge ship crashing into a small moon millions of years ago, scattering its cargo of artifacts in 360 degrees. The cargo drifts for millions of years at below the speed of light ending up in the UA shell. Probes are sent to find the lost ship. We find the probes which point inside the planet. Perhaps the signal points to a spot on the surface where some piece of the crashed ship can be found sticking out from underground. Or perhaps where a black box might be.

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How do you know that base 10 is a human convention? How do you know that there aren't other civilisations in other parts of the universe that also use it and have been doing so for far longer than us? I find people saying things are too human and not alien enough a very bizarre argument as no one knows what they would use. They just ascertain that it has to be different from what we use. Why?

The grid lines on the diagram split it up into sections of pi/10 radians.

 

[LordZoltan]

How do you know that base 10 is a human convention? How do you know that there aren't other civilisations in other parts of the universe that also use it and have been doing so for far longer than us? I find people saying things are too human and not alien enough a very bizarre argument as no one knows what they would use. They just ascertain that it has to be different from what we use. Why?

My mate Hocck'nsl'pz'a is an alien and he uses base d where d=the absolute position of the digit relative to the decimal point on a tuesday.

He thinks base 10 is mental. But then Vlad is also undergoing therapy after a regrettable incident with a yorkshire terrier, a cornetto and some stale quavers.

 

[heavykick]

Hi

I am shure you did already recognize, but I just want to post my brainstuff here:

As you can see on https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1402878/FloatingUASystems all the findings of UA's where in systems around Merope. And this is building a sphere ... right?
May be this is the sphere that is shown in this UP-Signal?


Greetings,
Soltus

 

[DustyArne]

Lol,

I kinda am hyped what will happen if you honk 2 UPs the same time.. The stereo sound might give you another picture indeed.. Anyone tried?

 

[CMDR Moortz]

But then Vlad is also undergoing therapy after a regrettable incident with a yorkshire terrier, a cornetto and some stale quavers.

Ah, Vlad's been doing some testing of the UP then

 

[LordZoltan]

Lol,

I kinda am hyped what will happen if you honk 2 UPs the same time.. The stereo sound might give you another picture indeed.. Anyone tried?

I'll bet you *have* to select the one you want to geta response from.

Which, if true, kinda puts paid to an idea I had for something happening next week.

 

[Dommarraa]

Department of Futile Science Report:

ET is a bust. Nearly 10 hours and only found Survey Caches. Interesting that very few systems give any USS at all, but give them quite frequently. There is something sciencey in it, but this is not the purpose of the current experiment, so it is on the todo list to try and find a reason.

Next up.... The possible sighting of a Threat 0 Anomaly in one of the following systems:
If anyone wants to take a chunk of systems to check out (30 mins each minimum) please give me a shout and I will not bother.

Spoiler

1:
HR 3404
GCRV 60796
Crucis Sector IM-V b2-0
Crucis Sector MS-T b3-2
Koller
Scorpii Sector ZE-Ad161
HIP 78372
Col 285 Sector SL-H b25-3
Col 285 Sector YV-C c13-13
2:
Col 285 Sector DE-C b28-4
Col 285 Sector FI-Z c14-22
Col 285 Sector MB-X b30-1
Col 359 Sector OU-M b9-2
HIP 84256
Col 359 Sector QC-U d3-46
Pipe (stem) Sector UJ-Z b5
Pipe (stem) Sector ZU-Y c12
Pipe (stem) Sector DH-U b3-2
3:
Ophiuchus Dark Region B Sector NS-U c2-8
Col 359 Sector ZT-T b19-2
Snake Sector YA-W b2-2
Col 359 Sector KM-O b22-2
Col 359 Sector VO-F c12-3
Col 359 Sector BV-O d6-61
Col 359 Sector BW-F b27-4
Col 359 Sector AV-O d6-65
Col 359 Sector YU-D c13-16
4:
Col 359 Sector SU-H b26-3
Col 359 Sector TF-G b27-0
Col 359 Sector PK-G b27-1
Col 359 Sector VK-C c14-0
Col 359 Sector HJ-I b26-3
Col 359 Sector EO-I b26-0
Col 359 Sector BT-I b26-2
Col 359 Sector AJ-H b27-1
Col 359 Sector XN-H b27-0
5:
Col 359 Sector US-H b27-1
Col 359 Sector QX-H b27-1
Col 359 Sector JE-D c14-2
Col 359 Sector SU-N d7-9
IC 4665 Sector UI-B c6
IC 4665 Sector NC-B b1-1
Col 359 Sector CO-D c14-1
Col 359 Sector EC-H b28-1
Col 359 Sector AT-D c14-0
6:
Col 359 Sector YL-H b28-0
Col 359 Sector UQ-H b28-0
Col 359 Sector RV-H b28-1
Col 359 Sector OA-I b28-0
Col 359 Sector KK-I b28-0