UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

[Popov Le Magnifique]

Just my two cents (BURIED IN THREE, TWO, ONE..), but I think this encoded message will get decoded with THE special decryption key: the "bend-your-mind" one. Michael Brookes had an idea, asked the audio guys and they went "all right, let's do this!". Right? But MB was the one that came up with it. And as far as I know (no offense Lord Brookes) but he is not a math guy. He is first and foremost a writer. Am I right?

The UA's morse: the most difficult part was to find out it was morse. It could have been a more difficult means of communication, but it wasn't. Just morse with an alien effect applied to it.

The UA's drawing: Vigenere cipher? Nope, just alphabetical xy coordinates that represent our ship. I facepalmed so hard when Juliet (I think) found it out.

MB is just playing with us. He knows full well we'll go 200% at it. Hell, I'm sure he said to his team: "guys, take notes so we can use their theories and implement them in the next version, like that Mayan numbers theory for example".

I don't think we need to calculate the distance between two pixels to see if some lines match up with specific spheres. Though I'll be the first one to applaud you if this theory ends up leading to the answer.

Out-of-the-box thinking is the way to go, but remember: this is just a riddle.

 

[Th3 0utKa5t]

is it possible there is a TV signal in the UP recording?

it is after all one of the first signals we started sending out, morse code also one of the first if not THE first.

the first contact from the UA was morse was it not, would it not be reasonable that they would use a TV signal next?

could it be that we are in fact only seeing part of the picture?

there seems to be a lot of noise on the spectrogram at the bottom, could the TV signal be there?

 

[yowl]

Good evening,

so i'm following this thread(s) as good as i can. I have a question regarding a "feature" of the transmission, which is not even mentioned, or kind of "overlooked".
Maybe i missed it completely, than please excuse me !

(i did not find it on the first page either )

I took the following images (or crops of them) from the first page.

If you look at these two:

http://i.imgur.com/AwlGXuh.png

http://i.imgur.com/jV1a3W9.jpg

I have to ask myself, why that circular feature which is almost dead center in the picture not transfered or looked at ?

http://i.imgur.com/pahcnj9.png

http://i.imgur.com/21HN0Gu.png

http://i.imgur.com/KNn972T.jpg

Is there a particular reason for it ? And if so, which one ?

Again, if this is already kind of "dismissed" as not important, excuse me for bringing it up again, but than i would like to understand why.
Because almost every post use picture number two as a reference or starting point for visualizing a theory.

However, that circular feature is clearly there, and i'm kind of certain (as far as this is possible), that it is there for a reason.

What if "we" are thinking just too complicated ?

Maybe that picture is just a representation of our view out of the cockipt, and the "sphere" is a planet, with trajectory lines, and that circular feature (almost) in the center is a landmark, or perhaps even a crater or something ?
Yes i know, that would not solve the symbols in the corner, but perhaps the lower two symbols are just markings which act as kind of limiters like "if you fit the view in between the lines of your HUD, and line it up like this - than" .... i don't know

just an idea (and a question on the first part of the posting) ...

The circle has been mentioned by others. I've overlaid it on an image someone posted of 5c with the big crater centred and its a close match proportionally, although you could argue its not exact.

 

[gaplant]

Good enough. Was an idea is all
I can't help feeling if a lot of you guys could talk in real time we'd 'get something'

From listening to canonn discord voice chat- not really. There's always one guy who is the leader type, and the conversation goes that way, so if he's out of ideas, everyone's out of ideas.

with threadnaughts and discord text chat, everyone can blabber all at once, and you can take the time to read all of it and filter what you want.

You can even read some irritating spammy dudes blather, dismiss it, and then a day later get an idea from it

voice is best when you all have a set task and one person is in control, giving orders.

 

[lord_welsh]

watchin kerrash on twitch,its annoying that hes knows the answer to this and we`re all still scratcin our heads lol

 

[NorMonsta]

I suspect some of you would be very disappointed if you met somebody from JPL, they tend to spill mustard on their shirt at lunch just like everybody else. And JPL is not working on it, there may be an employee (likely more than one) that plays ED but that's not really the same thing.

I don't think being employed by JPL ensures any real advantage, they have a range of disciplines just like any other scientific or technical organization, most of which don't translate to this puzzle at all or don't translate in a way that's more beneficial than a wide range of other organizations.

yeah ha...I hope someones cleaning the loos at JPL, suspect they like me won't have a clue

 

[Keybuk]

Intriguing. I had maintained that both her and Palin had been "altered" when they disappeared, but this is a slightly strange turn of events. That is her new attitude, becoming friendly with the Alliance was only a matter of time. They want to keep a close eye on Edward, though to be fair I wouldn't be surprised if they had their finger's in a few pies already.

My total no-evidence assumption has been that Palin was captured/taken by INRA/Caine-Massey/"Human special interest group"

While Halsey had some kind of alien interaction, since malfunctions tend to follow UAs around.

 

[John Stoutbeard]

Good evening,

so i'm following this thread(s) as good as i can. I have a question regarding a "feature" of the transmission, which is not even mentioned, or kind of "overlooked".
Maybe i missed it completely, than please excuse me !

(i did not find it on the first page either )

I took the following images (or crops of them) from the first page.

If you look at these two:

http://i.imgur.com/AwlGXuh.png

http://i.imgur.com/jV1a3W9.jpg

I have to ask myself, why that circular feature which is almost dead center in the picture not transfered or looked at ?

http://i.imgur.com/pahcnj9.png

http://i.imgur.com/21HN0Gu.png

http://i.imgur.com/KNn972T.jpg

Is there a particular reason for it ? And if so, which one ?

Again, if this is already kind of "dismissed" as not important, excuse me for bringing it up again, but than i would like to understand why.
Because almost every post use picture number two as a reference or starting point for visualizing a theory.

However, that circular feature is clearly there, and i'm kind of certain (as far as this is possible), that it is there for a reason.

What if "we" are thinking just too complicated ?

Maybe that picture is just a representation of our view out of the cockipt, and the "sphere" is a planet, with trajectory lines, and that circular feature (almost) in the center is a landmark, or perhaps even a crater or something ?
Yes i know, that would not solve the symbols in the corner, but perhaps the lower two symbols are just markings which act as kind of limiters like "if you fit the view in between the lines of your HUD, and line it up like this - than" .... i don't know

just an idea (and a question on the first part of the posting) ...

No, there is no 'center circle.
The 'glow' around ALL components in the drawing illustrates this.
Note, you have the same effect with the 4 Symbols as well, I just didn't have time to add that right now.

So there is a 'glow' effect, there is no 'center circle' - you may not have the material available.

Here's a decoding of mine - The outline is to illustrate the glow effect on parts of the images:

 

[Zatoichie]

everywhere i go i see it....that circle just staring at me, mocking me. I went to a meeting at work this morning......drew one on my clipboard. Next I'll be making mountains out of mashed potatoes.............

 

[Siranui]

Hahah, well I took some UA purr audio and sped it up 400%... It's a horn playing, like a tuba!

Plays a little melodic tune like 5 or 6 notes long.

Have you a copy we can access? We can probably recognise the note by ear, and that may be relevant.

 

[Popov Le Magnifique]

My total no-evidence assumption has been that Palin was captured/taken by INRA/Caine-Massey/"Human special interest group"

While Halsey had some kind of alien interaction, since malfunctions tend to follow UAs around.

Plus her attitude towards McMahon is not a new behaviour. Maybe she just realised she needs to be smarter about it and not go Flower Power with everyone.

 

[gaplant]

is it possible there is a TV signal in the UP recording?

it is after all one of the first signals we started sending out, morse code also one of the first if not THE first.

the first contact from the UA was morse was it not, would it not be reasonable that they would use a TV signal next?

could it be that we are in fact only seeing part of the picture?

there seems to be a lot of noise on the spectrogram at the bottom, could the TV signal be there?

1:
a spectrogram shows a graph of frequency (vertically) vs time (horizontally). The bottom of a spectrogram, the low frequency end, has less and less data as you go down- there's literally no way to put more information there, past a certain point. It's a hard law of physics, not a techinical limitation. The easy way to think of it is that you can only put half of the frequency (number of bits of information) per second at any particular frequency. You also must use a certain range of frequencies around that area, so you can't just stuff an infinite number of frequencies together, like one set of data at 1000.000001Hz, a different set at 1000.000002Hz. That doesn't work.

2:
if there was a "tv signal" or just a still picture like SSTV down there, it would need to be loud and visible in the audio and the spectrogram. It would sound like loud crunchy low pitched static or warbling in the audio file. Or, if you pitched it so low people couldn't hear it, it would be so low frequency that again, there wouldn't be enough waves to have enough bits of information to show anything.

tl;dr: theres no room for anything subtle to be hidden down there. If there was something there it would be coarse and easy to see or hear, and we would have heard it.

 

[Cmdr. Cyrano Buckminster]

You know, the more I look at this, the more I think it may have something to do with the mystery. An ancient tomb. An ancient starship?
http://www.newgrange.com/
I encourage everyone to take a look. Of particular interest to me are the markings on the entrance stone that look similar to the markings on the barnacles. Maybe certain developers drew some inspiration from it . . .

Credit to xcyber for the original post.

Just saw this on the first page:

The interesting thing about this is, while reading about Newgrange, it mentioned that the opening is directly aligned with the sun on Winter Solstice each year. Think about that for a second. I believe whoever created the above image is on the right track.

Here is XCYBER's original image link: http://erenow.com/ancient/ancient-as...s/image013.jpg

My brain hurts.

 

[damajoo]

No, there is no 'center circle.
The 'glow' around ALL components in the drawing illustrates this.
Note, you have the same effect with the 4 Symbols as well, I just didn't have time to add that right now.

So there is a 'glow' effect, there is no 'center circle' - you may not have the material available.

Here's a decoding of mine - The outline is to illustrate the glow effect on parts of the images:
http://i.imgur.com/sh8SVnt.png

Thank you, that is a reasonable explanation. [up]

 

[gaplant]

Just saw this on the first page: http://i.imgur.com/bCn7pAH.gif

The interesting thing about this is, while reading about Newgrange, it mentioned that the opening is directly aligned with the sun on Winter Solstice each year. Think about that for a second. I believe whoever created the above image is on the right track.

Here is XCYBER's original image link: http://erenow.com/ancient/ancient-as...s/image013.jpg

My brain hurts.

there's a lot of different things on that page, none of which obviously look like barney bits. Can you point out which specific part you mean?

(although those swirly trefoils are just cool anyway)

 

[LordZoltan]

No, there is no 'center circle.
The 'glow' around ALL components in the drawing illustrates this.
Note, you have the same effect with the 4 Symbols as well, I just didn't have time to add that right now.

So there is a 'glow' effect, there is no 'center circle' - you may not have the material available.

Here's a decoding of mine - The outline is to illustrate the glow effect on parts of the images:
http://i.imgur.com/sh8SVnt.png

Excellent.

I think the glow is deliberate, however - the contrast change from the 'main' lines to the 'glow' is too sharp to be the result of a resampling of an image imho

Nevertheless - rep if I have it

 

[CMDR Davanix]

there's a lot of different things on that page, none of which obviously look like barney bits. Can you point out which specific part you mean?

(although those swirly trefoils are just cool anyway)

Thats because it isnt directed towards the barnys it is in correlation with the image taken from the up

 

[xcyber]

Just saw this on the first page: http://i.imgur.com/bCn7pAH.gif

The interesting thing about this is, while reading about Newgrange, it mentioned that the opening is directly aligned with the sun on Winter Solstice each year. Think about that for a second. I believe whoever created the above image is on the right track.

Here is XCYBER's original image link: http://erenow.com/ancient/ancient-as...s/image013.jpg

My brain hurts.

Oh nice that somebody read my posts

Also, two days ago I posted message on reddit with link to old thread about merope. (http://i.imgur.com/K2GCLPO.png)

And old thread was deleted. Strange.

 

[CMDR Davanix]

Alos if you want to start a theory about newgrange let me know. I live aprox 15 minutes from the site and can get you on hand real info you wont get from wikis

 

[John Stoutbeard]

Excellent.

I think the glow is deliberate, however - the contrast change from the 'main' lines to the 'glow' is too sharp to be the result of a resampling of an image imho

Nevertheless - rep if I have it

The glow may very well be deliberate.
As you can see, the circles, the symbols - have the same glow.

It can be as you say for:
1. Deliberate purpose. Why?
a) Tell something to a specific viewer / audience - someone who know the specific meaning of it.
b) Or the random viewer, to Inform us that this may not be precise?

2. Not deliberate
a) It's not a decoding effect from Audacity or imprecise sound. More components would have the glow. We don't see this.
b) Did it happen before embedding due to rescaling / resizing? It's possible, I know a fair bit about that process.
c) Did the original material come from a different source than the rest of the material in the whole recording? Possibly.

3. Why isn't the grid having the glow?
a) Too thin, not heavy enough to make such an imprint?
b) was added later during the embedding process

Regardless - the Circle, symbols - seem to have been created as one entity.

Deliberate or not - we won't know that until we get it into the right context.
IMHO, discussing 'why the glow' without having a proper way to confirm it through testing won't cause anything but more noise while we fight to figure out the more comprehensive pieces.

To be honest - I think the whole delivery through a grainy image also just illustrates that we should try to dive too much into the details - too much grain.
This is deliberate - it's not meant for direct measurements.

However, to illustrate concepts and arithmetics. I'm still convinced that it is perfect to do just this.
If we understand what the concept we should be able to apply the correct parameters - based on a key we're still trying to find.