UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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Kerrec Snowmane

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Cmdr. Cyrano Buckminster said:
Just saw this on the first page: http://i.imgur.com/bCn7pAH.gif

The interesting thing about this is, while reading about Newgrange, it mentioned that the opening is directly aligned with the sun on Winter Solstice each year. Think about that for a second. I believe whoever created the above image is on the right track.

Here is XCYBER's original image link: http://erenow.com/ancient/ancient-as...s/image013.jpg

My brain hurts.
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The problem with this theory is Merope 5a and Merope 5b are not above or below Merope 5's rings. They orbit on the same plane. It's impossible to observe what the theory asks to observe.
 

CMDR Davanix

CMDR Davanix
Just also to mention something those curves around where put there by us to support visitor access newgrange didnt look like that in Neolithic but its beleived the the top right curve you notice was an original part of the tomb in the stone age also around the time we started as humans to make basic technology (Not electricals) but this is an interesting theory to follow if it is somehow the aliens who visited us that we got the idea to build this from since it is still unkown why it was built
 

Ozric

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Ozric
Keybuk said:
My total no-evidence assumption has been that Palin was captured/taken by INRA/Caine-Massey/"Human special interest group"

While Halsey had some kind of alien interaction, since malfunctions tend to follow UAs around.
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It's the circumstances around their reappearance and subsequent actions that caused me to form a link.
 

gaplant

gaplant
LordZoltan said:
Excellent.

I think the glow is deliberate, however - the contrast change from the 'main' lines to the 'glow' is too sharp to be the result of a resampling of an image imho

Nevertheless - rep if I have it :)
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Putting a little blur in the image also helps sharpness, ironically - i was screwing around with this and found really sharp edges ring a little when you convert them to sound, and then the spectrogram has little fringes. Plus the audio gets really crunchy and distorted sounding, so the blur smooths out the sound a bit.

It took some tweaking to find good settings where I could just throw a picture in and have it be clear in the spectrogram every time.
 

CFF

C
Vurt said:
I have a hypothesis, and a testable one. It doesn't even require that much tin-foil. But what it does require is eye-balls, lots of them, or a lot of man-hours. And I really, really can't do it alone. Or I can, but it would be painful and totally defeat the purpose of playing a game.

That all said, if anyone is willing to help with this, I would greatly appreciate it.

I'm going to assume that the UP is trying to tell us something as simply as it can. Because it always points to Merope 5c, and because psychologically, creatures look at the things they want (any dog owners out there willing to contest this point?) I think the UP not only wants us to find something on the surface, it wants us to take it there. Remember that newsletter hint in green that it was the 'key'? I'm taking that literally. There is something down there that only the presence of a UP will activate or unlock.

So the UP, it doesn't know how humans communicate, because if it did it would do so. It doesn't know our language, our means of measuring co-ordinates, our number systems. So anything it does tell us needs to be independent of that. Which brings me to the circle. There's stuff going on around the circle, which may or may not be important. (It probably is important, but it may not be critical.) I can take wild stabs at things, but it's all guesswork on my part. What isn't guesswork, however, is the circle itself and the lines on it. These are things we can measure in whatever system we care to do it in, and from any orientation we take the message to be displayed in.

First lets consider the two normal lines. The way they are displayed, these seem to me to mark a distance along the circle. If the circle were to correspond to Merope 5c, that would give a distance along its surface from some landmark.

The second line, a radius, marks an angle. The faint grid overlaying the circle suggesting that it's actually a sphere even helpfully includes a pair of prominent, intersecting lines to help us measure the angle. And while we don't know which one to measure from, we just need one and then it's trivial to scale the measurement to any another as necessary.

Two pieces of information, that's all we need to specify a point on the surface, so long as we have a coordinate system. I'm guessing that what the symbols surrounding the circle are all about, but I still can't make heads or tails of them. So lets instead come up with the simplest coordinate system we can. Since the planet rotates along one axis, let's use Merope 5c's poles as one point of reference. This naturally leads to a system of latitude. For longitude, we need to arrive at a consensus for some arbitrary line to serve as our starting line. There is one huge crater on Merope 5c, we could run the line through that. But the crater is large, and do we choose the middle, or one edge, or what? Merope 5c is tidally locked to Merope 5, so the projection of the line where Merope 5 is directly overhead could also serve as a meridian. If I were a UP, I'd consider the line marked by Merope 5 a better candidate, for the simple reason that as unlikely as it may be, in principle a big space rock could come crashing down on Merope 5c and wipe away my landmark. (That said, if using Merope 5 turns up nothing, we can always revisit this assumption.)

Since the angle marked by the two normals seems to indicate a distance, this naturally better corresponds to latitude, as longitude lines are spaced more closer together the nearer they are to one of the poles. And since measuring anything using the UP's message is somewhat inexact, there will be a small error value associated with the measurement. My best efforts give me:

Lat0 = 27.5 +/- 2.0 degrees.

The radius line I measured against the nearest axis line giving the wider angle, giving me:

Long0 = 50.0 +/- 1.0 degrees.

I took some stabs at the Merope 5 meridian, but MadDogMurdock has already christened it the Murdock Meridian, so I figured I'd average his measurements and use that:

MM = -117.3 +/- 0.5 degrees

Unfortunately we don't know what direction from the meridian to travel from, which axis to measure the angle from, or which pole to take the latitude from. Again, the symbols surrounding the circle may greatly help narrow things down here. Also, the errors involved necessarily transform checking out one lat/long co-ordinate pair into searching a large area. But perhaps Frontier designed this whole endeavour to be a group effort on our part. In which case, with enough people, we can simply check all the options. Using the above numbers, I get the following search areas:

Zone 01. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: -65.8 to -68.8 degrees
Zone 02. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: 26.2 to 29.3 degrees
Zone 03. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: 111.2 to 114.2 degrees
Zone 04. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: -155.8 to -158.8 degrees
Zone 05. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: -165.8 to -168.8 degrees
Zone 06. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: 101.2 to 104.2 degrees
Zone 07. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: 11.2 to 14.2 degrees
Zone 08. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: -75.8 to -78.8 degrees

Zone 09. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: -65.8 to -68.8 degrees
Zone 10. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: 26.2 to 29.3 degrees
Zone 11. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: 111.2 to 114.2 degrees
Zone 12. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: -155.8 to -158.8 degrees
Zone 13. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: -165.8 to -168.8 degrees
Zone 14. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: 101.2 to 104.2 degrees
Zone 15. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: 11.2 to 14.2 degrees
Zone 16. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: -75.8 to -78.8 degrees

While this is a lot of ground to cover, on the plus side it is also a lot less than the entirety of the surface of Merope 5c! Any help would be greatly appreciated. Any suggestions or observations, doubly so.
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So I am going to simplify this approach even further - as I agree completely with your assessment, we need to start of the MOST SIMPLE interpretation of the image.

1. The symbols around the sides are the order of the instructions - but they aren't a binary number system, they are just a really obvious pattern - 1 is bottom right, 2 is top left, 3 is bottom left, 4 is top right.
2. First step is a 135 angle which is the Argumant of Periapsis of Merope 5C - this is basically confirming the planet is Merope 5C and telling us that the alien knows how to depict an angle and that the sphere is the planet
3. This is a symbol for 'orbit' or 'fly to this planet and search'
4. These two lines, as you say, indicate a point on the planet. They stop abruptly at the planet's surface for a reason. And we read them by, as you say, measuring the angle from somewhere on the sphere - your interpretation is the best one I have heard to date.
5. This symbol indicates a 'scan' or sorts once we have the location. It could be we scan the point, or need the UP in tow for it to scan.

I really think this whole image is something like this. Just a simple image with some simple instructions.
 

xcyber

xcyber
Davanix said:
Just also to mention something those curves around where put there by us to support visitor access newgrange didnt look like that in Neolithic but its beleived the the top right curve you notice was an original part of the tomb in the stone age also around the time we started as humans to make basic technology (Not electricals) but this is an interesting theory to follow if it is somehow the aliens who visited us that we got the idea to build this from since it is still unkown why it was built
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The funny thing is that I learned about Newgrange in search of ancient astronomical technologies lol.
 

simulacrae

simulacrae
If the UA and UP are working as part of a system transmitting signals then seems to me UP should be between UA shell and Merope

...lunchtime scribbles

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Bungalo

Bungalo
Regarding the barnacle criteria, please keep in mind that this data is HEAVILY influenced by confirmation bias. We search in those ranges and find barnacles thus we assume those ranges are perfect. We could easily be missing
Barnacles due to that.

It's just fine to use those criteria to search for new barnacles in a *new* nebula. In existing nebula we should be searching outside the ranges to try to broaden the value.

Finding convoys is also a matter of confirmation bias so it would be unwise to think they only spawn in the list systems we have. I'd bet good money the imps have those convoys too.

TLDR: Confirmation bias is bad, the barnacle criteria are situational in their use and are by no means all inclusive.
 

CMDR Davanix

CMDR Davanix
xcyber said:
The funny thing is that I learned about Newgrange in search of ancient astronomical technologies lol.
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Also if you look at the Kerb stone 52 from newgrange aka the sirius mystery that shows a logo simular to the ups and has your winter solstace this means our up image actually points to the summer solstace if overlayed :p
 

MadDogMurdock

MadDogMurdock
karantza said:
The scale is different, but it's a linear transformation. If you took those 2,4,8... labels, and scaled them up linearly on a log plot, you'd wind up with 10,100, etc. This is why logarithmic graph paper works and doesn't require a base to be specified :)

Just for clarity's sake, here's the signal with the axes labled: http://imgur.com/a/4vMRc

The bottom of the circular symbol is at around 3 khz. The top of the signals is at around 16 kHz. The middle of the signals is around 6.9 kHz. This will be true no matter what base of the logarithm you chose or what scaling you apply to the image. To see why 6.9 is in the middle of 3 and 16 in any log base, observe:

log_10(3) = 0.48
log_10(16) = 1.2
average(0.48, 1.2) = 0.84
10^0.84 = 6.9 (kHz)

log_2(3) ~= 1.58
log_2(16) = 4
average(1.58, 4) = 2.79
2^2.79 ~= 6.9 (kHz)

The geometry of the image stays exactly the same. (Which is a long winded way of saying, picking a circle is as valid as any other choice, we have no way of determining the author's intent.)
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You're missing my point but nevermind. If that scale in your image is accurate, it isn't logarithmic anyway.
 

xcyber

xcyber
Ok. Try to solve simple text puzzle. "For sale: two tickets for Thursday night's game. Section PR5, row 2, seats 5 and 6, dead centre, perfect viewing height. let me know".

This puzzle is link to merope system.
 

John Stoutbeard

John Stoutbeard
MadDogMurdock said:
You're missing my point but nevermind. If that scale in your image is accurate, it isn't logarithmic anyway.
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I think I do get your point MadDog, but I have another view at it.
If you're looking for pixel-perfection, keep in mind the image can be rescaled horizontally and vertically in Audacity by a) dragging the bottom of the track-frame and b) by using the mouse-wheel to zoom out/in.
The decoding is still Logarithmic but pixels will get displaced.

However if you're looking for measuring components, the relation should still be static - all measures are increased with the same scale.

So pixel-operations to get a proper visual look doesn't need to be exact - you can still derive the proper relationship if you take care in scaling.
 
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xcyber

xcyber
Davanix said:
Also if you look at the Kerb stone 52 from newgrange aka the sirius mystery that shows a logo simular to the ups and has your winter solstace this means our up image actually points to the summer solstace if overlayed :p
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I thought that developers could create a reference to Newgrange to all thought, "Wow, it is the same thing we have on earth!". That would be a cool idea. On the other hand, if it is not Newgrange, developers have read my post and thought "great that the circle and the arch top is similar to the ancient structure which is 3000 years old."
 

gaplant

gaplant
xcyber said:
Ok. Try to solve simple text puzzle. "For sale: two tickets for Thursday night's game. Section PR5, row 2, seats 5 and 6, dead centre, perfect viewing height. let me know".

This puzzle is link to merope system.
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Or hey, here's a famous one that british people should know - Why is a raven like a writing desk?

That one was done by a regular human who lived not very long ago, we have a tonne of common experiences to use as reference points.

Or even better- "What's in my pockets?" (this is probably exactly the kind of riddle we are looking at- impossible, not even really a riddle, totally obvious later on)
 
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