The Star Citizen Thread v5

[briguy168]

Kinda QED thing going on right here.

So the "novel idea" that you want to suggest is that we just shut up until they release something good?

The echo chamber is over there ----> on CIG's forums. Here we are free to talk and that shouldn't make any difference whatsoever to the game's development so why does it bother you so?

The whole entire point is that process of rationalising and explaining away everything - ESPECIALLY if they are properly aware of it - is exactly the thing that makes it seem a bit funny. Add in the attitude above and it's a whole Arkload of "Everything Is Awesome!" and it's as odd to watch as it is later in the Lego Movie from the outside.

Well I was specifically talking about the subreddit and on the RSI forums because I know that no amount of rationalization will sway many of you here. Ya'll are too skeptical with little sensibility; it's either black or white. Anything beyond those two things it seems like you throw up your hands in frustration and start name calling people cultist simply because you cannot fathom why someone could actually rationalize things. Who can see the arguments that you bring up but don't care enough about them to make a fuss about it. So from my point of view, that seems like it's your problem.

Discussion without the possibility of changing opinion is just soapboxing by turns, you wouldn't like it if we stubbornly refused to change our opinions even in the face of real evidence. I'd like to think that we would. Can you?

Where did I say that there isn't the possibility to change someone's opinion during a discussion? I said that the intent of an argument or a debate is to exchange ideas about a particular topic. What happens after is solely dependent upon the participants to do their own re-evaluation.

 

[frostypaw]

Ya'll are too skeptical with little sensibility

We didn't start that way.

How are you progressing through Star Marine?

I think everyone gave them the benefit of the doubt to start with, that goodwill has been eroded. Don't think we aren't still hoping though - i mean look at the advanced damage modelling system we'd all dream of that sort of thing, albeit with gravity the right way up - it's just now at the point where until it's there and playable it can't be believed. Not just because of Star Marine but many other elements that have been delayed time and again or slipped off the menu, it's why the frustration at shopping and clothes rather than fulfilling those promises from before

I'm not trying to convince you we're right and you're wrong here, just trying to say where the discussion is coming from so you can understand why there's little point evangelising and why the sour reaction to it is the way it is and how not to take it personally.

 

[briguy168]

People usually bring up the tired old arguments against in reply to the tired old arguments for, it's a circular thing. Everything being said is a retread. The FM the way the thrusters don't control flight, broken physics, faked PG landing, joysticks it's all been gone over already more than once.

Now if your sick of the same old criticisms do you not think the detractors are sick of the same old baseless claims, theory crafting presented as fact and continual attempts to link anything negative to Derek Smart.



You want to control the narrative, by dictating how the discussion takes place to avoid unanswerable questions being asked. That's not new either.

Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I'm not trying to control the narrative, ya'll are going to do what you do regardless. What I'm trying to illustrate is the futility of your quest for answers that really don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Who cares if the thrusters don't accurately animate; who cares if the current physics are "broken"; not even going to address "fake PG landing" because if it's in the code base, it's in the game.

If you are sick of the same old explanations, isn't it futile to keep on bring up the same criticisms? As you said, isn't that circular; you know a famous person once said "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

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Not if you claim to model the individual trajectories of the debris and have dynamic destruction.

And you don't think the client cannot simulate those calculations?

 

[Toumal]

There isn't a SINGLE entity on the planet - let alone in social media, law enforcement, legal enforcement etc - who would ever claim that unveiling someone's social media profiles or publicly available info is doxing. It isn't - never was - and never will be, doxing.

I had that same argument with another SC fan here in this thread and the response I got was "you don't know what doxxing means". You can't beat their argument with logic or facts, because it's not based on logic or facts.

 

[Stigbob]

Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I'm not trying to control the narrative, ya'll are going to do what you do regardless. What I'm trying to illustrate is the futility of your quest for answers that really don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Who cares if the thrusters don't accurately animate; who cares if the current physics are "broken"; not even going to address "fake PG landing" because if it's in the code base, it's in the game.

You post almost exclusively about other posters and what they should and shouldn't discuss and how they should discuss it, your only interest is narrative control.

What quest are you on about ?, I don't want answers I want progress.

If it's not playable it's not in the game, again by refusing to discuss a touchy subject (the game is fundamentally broken) you are trying to control the narrative. You do it because you haven't got an answer to the simple question why is it this shoddy in the fifth year of development.

If you are sick of the same old explanations, isn't it futile to keep on bring up the same criticisms? As you said, isn't that circular; you know a famous person once said "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Control that narrative (or maybe not).

Fittingly enough there's never been anything to link Einstein to that quote, it's just something people like to believe without evidence.

 

[briguy168]

There isn't a SINGLE entity on the planet - let alone in social media, law enforcement, legal enforcement etc - who would ever claim that unveiling someone's social media profiles or publicly available info is doxing. It isn't - never was - and never will be, doxing.

So let me ask you this, if someone obtained information about you through publicly available records and posted them online, by this logic, you wouldn't do anything about it since it's public and all, right?

 

[Neo-ST]

If it's not playable it's not in the game, again by refusing to discuss a touchy subject (the game is fundamentally broken)

Don't worry, he will now tell you it's only your subjective opinion and thus irrelevant...

 

[LeSabre]

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

If CIG had a moto, it would be this.

How many times do they promise new things then fail to deliver, how many patches claim to fix doors then fail, how many slick promo vids utterly fail to reasemble anything they put in the tech demo, how many times do they get caught doing very silly things and then do more?

Who cares if functionality/physics/missiles/thrusters/all the things are broken? I'd imagine anyone who wants to play a decent game with decent solid gameplay at some point I guess.

 

[Toumal]

So let me ask you this, if someone obtained information about you through publicly available records and posted them online, by this logic, you wouldn't do anything about it since it's public and all, right?

You're missing the point, on purpose it seems.

Roberts and wife uploaded pictures of their children onto IMDB with the intent of getting them exposure so they could eventually be movie stars or something like that. Doxxing would be if someone was seeking out embarassing or sensitive information and posting it in public. The intent of doxxing is to bring forth information into a public spotlight which you do NOT want in a public spotlight.

If you upload your own children's photographs onto a public gallery on imdb, I challenge you to argue that you didn't intend for the images you uploaded with the intent of maximising visibility, being linked to by someone else.

This whole "doxxing" argument is simply a distraction to try and devalue any points raised by dsmart.

 

[Stigbob]

So let me ask you this, if someone obtained information about you through publicly available records and posted them online, by this logic, you wouldn't do anything about it since it's public and all, right?

I'm going to do a bit of narrative control here :

Keep that stalker crap in r/dereksmart, the weirdo's there will probably appreciate it.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Who cares if the thrusters don't accurately animate; who cares if the current physics are "broken"; not even going to address "fake PG landing" because if it's in the code base, it's in the game.

Yup. Right. Uhuh.

All they need to do is turn on a switch. Honest guv.

 

[briguy168]

You post almost exclusively about other posters and what they should and shouldn't discuss and how they should discuss it, your only interest is narrative control.

Nope, I could care less what you post about but if you are going to argue with me, you will only argue the facts. I don't care about your narrative nor do I care about your subjective opinions. Don't like it, tough; simply ignore and go about your way. No one is forcing you to respond to me.

What quest are you on about ?, I don't want answers I want progress.

If it's not playable it's not in the game, again by refusing to discuss a touchy subject (the game is fundamentally broken) you are trying to control the narrative. You do it because you haven't got an answer to the simple question why is it this shoddy in the fifth year of development.

Sorry, just want to take a moment and bask in the logic here...............ok. You purport that because you cannot play it in the game, it means that it's not in the game. Funny because I bet that any developer worth their salt would agree that if has been developed and resides within their main code stream, it's in the game. This will be the last time I address this because it's devolved to bickering.

Fittingly enough there's never been anything to link Einstein to that quote, it's just something people like to believe without evidence.

Never said I was quoting Einstein, thanks for the Freudian slip though

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Actually I'm done talking to you, you don't want to have an honest conversation and you repeatedly bring up old arguments. I'm going to agree to disagree and will be ignoring you from now on.

 

[Stigbob]

<snipped unread as irrelevant based on last line>Actually I'm done talking to you, you don't want to have an honest conversation and you repeatedly bring up old arguments. I'm going to agree to disagree and will be ignoring you from now on.

Narrative control not working, no answers available. It's your only option really.

 

[briguy168]

You're missing the point, on purpose it seems.

Roberts and wife uploaded pictures of their children onto IMDB with the intent of getting them exposure so they could eventually be movie stars or something like that. Doxxing would be if someone was seeking out embarassing or sensitive information and posting it in public. The intent of doxxing is to bring forth information into a public spotlight which you do NOT want in a public spotlight.

If you upload your own children's photographs onto a public gallery on imdb, I challenge you to argue that you didn't intend for the images you uploaded with the intent of maximising visibility, being linked to by someone else.

This whole "doxxing" argument is simply a distraction to try and devalue any points raised by dsmart.

Sorry, but I cannot handle cognitive dissonance. This is what doxxing really means: search for and publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the Internet, typically with malicious intent. Sorry if that doesn't line up with your assumption of it's meanings but specifics count.

But we are getting off topic because we are focusing on someone instead of Star Citizen. We can continue this someplace else if you want.

 

[Stigbob]

Sorry, but I cannot handle cognitive dissonance. This is what doxxing really means: search for and publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the Internet, typically with malicious intent. Sorry if that doesn't line up with your assumption of it's meanings but specifics count.

But we are getting off topic because we are focusing on someone instead of Star Citizen. We can continue this someplace else if you want.

How dare Derek Smart read something on the internet, it was private, personal, private information which contained personal, private, personal things. That's why Mr and Mrs CiG uploaded it all to IMDB, they wanted to keep it quiet.

Whenever you try to continue a discussion in private you are trying to hide things and control the narrative.

 

[Toumal]

Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I'm not trying to control the narrative, ya'll are going to do what you do regardless. What I'm trying to illustrate is the futility of your quest for answers that really don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Who cares if the thrusters don't accurately animate;

So either SC is going for the super fidelity, or minor details like this aren't important. Which is it? Because depending on the time of day or the argument at hand, you guys say it's one, then you say it's the other.

who cares if the current physics are "broken";

Nobody important, just people trying to play this mess?

not even going to address "fake PG landing" because if it's in the code base, it's in the game.

Oh great. Post a download link then please. It's like when AC was first released and you guys kept talking about how multiplayer was in there, when nobody (and I mean *nobody*) had access to multiplayer for months. This delay wasn't even mentioned by CIG at all, they kept claiming that a select few would get access "any day now", and that the strict secrecy was to ensure a smooth public multiplayer launch.

Well what a dog that turned out to be, didn't it?

 

[A Trill Dog]

Move aside, Major Tom, a new king (of jank) is in town

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y5HZZIN99c

 

[bitstorm]

I'm confused, going to IMDB is doxxing someone?

 

[Toumal]

I'm confused, going to IMDB is doxxing someone?

Only if it's Chris Roberts' children. Because obviously it's not his fault for uploading that stuff to a public gallery in full view of everyone in the first place.

 

[bitstorm]

You know, I didn't realise I'd been doxxing celebrities all this time. [ugh]