UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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LordZoltan

LordZoltan
TFW Primus said:
These threads are big enough to have their own conventions :) The cosplay tho...
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Talking of conventions, there are a bunch of Canonneers everyone might know, including me (I'm there to carry all the bags tho :)), who should hopefully be at the Birmingham Elitemeet that was announced a couple of weeks back.

We'll see if we can take a table and set up a 'science corner' there :)

Though you're right though - the costumes, at times, are disturbing.
 

CMDR Carbo

CMDR Carbo
This part was interesting.

https://youtu.be/zCpAKlk0IKo?t=1h18m30s

There is some kind of distortion going on around the probe when the systems shut down.
The ship straight ahead is all blurry behind the distortion.
The ship to the left only the nose close to the probe gets blurry.
Maybe some kind of time-space distortion. Or a portal?

Also when it explodes shorty after there is some kind of distortion around it.
 
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Ericlas

Ericlas
laplandz said:
just throwing this out there

Ground rules...

with the Jaques Station being so far away and ..
1. being known as a tourist location
2. having a CG aimed aiming towards it staying there
3. It being in a nebula
4. EOL PROU AA-A being a black hole
5. EOL PROU AA-A being 142.66LY from Jaques Station

A. is it at all possible that we're looking at a black hole/worm hole scenario?
B. The Maia black hole being door number one
C. EOL PROU AA-A being door number two

the "key" spectrogram (picture by sound) is showing the following

1. top right = nearest black hole (worm hole) can send and/or receive
2. bottom left |-- and right --| is for orientation purposes
3. the centre of circle with horizontal/vertical lines is Sagittarius A*
4. the line from Sagittarius A* to the bottom right is the current location
5. the two lines coming from bottom left are showing direction to nearest nebula destination black holes/worm holes (with Sagittarius A* being the starting point).


i have followed these threads for a while and don't remember seeing anything along these lines so am merely putting it out there so to speak.

any one else think we may be looking at worm hole travel to curve the boredom of long-distance exploration (for the ones who don't like it anyway). I can't see how Jaques Station is a tourist attraction considering how far away it is. much better for the tourist to go through a worm hole, visit the station and be home again in a short amount time??

Lee
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https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...7-The-Canonn?p=4259972&viewfull=1#post4259972

Answers were in short: MB said there won't be shortcuts
Edit: although i was more thinking of a spawn point for enemies than a shortcut for us
 
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Derthek

Derthek

Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
CMDR Arguendo said:
And btw, as far as I understand it, the UP wails near ANY planet. It has nothing to do with life, just whether it's a planet or not.
So it seems to me like it's saying "NO. I am not supposed to be here!" ;)
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Good call, who suggested it only wails near planets with life-did that come form Educating Ed? stream, the video isn't up yet. (EDIT: just found LZ's link in post #5638 !!!)

What if the contrary applies-the wail is part of the UP's planet scanning mechanism? It isn't intended to scan stars or empty space, just planetary bodies...so that's when it wails.
 
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CMDR Davanix

CMDR Davanix
Ozric said:
When did they say that?

Jump gates have been ruled out right from conception, you could slightly relax on Wormholes because they couldn't be manually created, but I would be very surprised if they are put in.
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http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Legends_of_Elite#Worm_holes

Supposedly, there is a wormhole at the centre of the galaxy in Frontier
This rumour has been affirmed by David Braben, but no evidence has been found in the source code

I however cant find the link where he actually said this but i have seen it
 
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Sterlino

Sterlino
I was thinking that in the Merope system there is a very particulary thing :

Merope 5 is a star, not a gas giant planet.. it's a brown dwarf star.

It must mean something. It is important for this mistery, somehow.
We should always remind this detail.
 

CookieJarviz

CookieJarviz
aguettinger said:
This part was interesting.

https://youtu.be/zCpAKlk0IKo?t=1h18m30s

There is some kind of distortion going on around the probe when the systems shut down.
The ship straight ahead is all blurry behind the distortion.
The ship to the left only the nose close to the probe gets blurry.
Maybe some kind of time-space distortion. Or a portal?

Also when it explodes shorty after there is some kind of distortion around it.
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If you look at old videos. you will find that it does the same thing. UA also does the same thing when it blows up.
 

rizal72

rizal72
CMDR Arguendo said:
Where did you see that it was "indeed an 'Atmosphere'."? I didn't follow the stream, so was that were you heard it? I haven't seen a definitive answer on this one, but it sounds like you have.


It kills atleast part of the theory. So far, only the interpretation of what the different Purrs mean has been debunked. It may still contain a message, where sequences mean specific objects. Remember, the four symbols in the UP reply does NOT have the sequence believed to be a star (110 iirc). So, they basis for the theory is still there, but it needs more testing.
I'm still not convinced due to the randomness of when we start the sequencing. Someone did suggest to start right after it's done with its reply though, which is a good suggestion.

On another note. I know it's up for debate what symbols to use for what Purrs. Are Low represented as - or l? Who knows? That is why I always include both possibilities. If we use the wrong one, we may miss an obvious pattern. If we always use both (tedious, yes I know) then atleast we have a chance to spot it because we covered both bases. Another suggestion to use different symbology altogether is good, but I am afraid we can miss an obvious pattern that looks like the "four corner symbols" then a well, as our brain has to convert them and then see the pattern.
So, I know it frustrates you, but until we have a definite answer about which symbol refers to which Purr, I will keep using both. Sorry in advance ;)
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I totally agree with Arguendo, here.
The use of | and - here is not casual, I'm doing it since my first decoding of the purrs: we need to easily spot by eye the correlation with the drawing. And we need to use both notations until one will prevail to the other. No need to over complicate the reading as well, using other symbols as proposed, even if it does mean more work to write both transcripts.
 
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Dirk D

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Hi!

I am currently not involved in researching these mysteries but after watching the livestream today I got the following idea (most likely I am not the first one but anyway):

We know that there are several regions outside the bubble that require a permit.

So has anybody tried to reach these regions while having an UA, UP or meta alloy on board (or all of them)? Meaning jumping nearby and check if on of the systems with permit is now reachable. Or comparing the permit systems that a Cmdr with UP on board sees with the ones that a Cmdr without sees.

Maybe they could work as a kind of key to unlock certain regions?



Regards

CMDR Dirk D
 

rizal72

rizal72
CFF said:
I think we may need to re-think some of this. I suggest we start by not worrying about what they symbols mean and just see if there is some consistency to the pattern we find from the 'chirps' the UP makes.

So (- 'low' | 'high'):

-|- = Top Left Quadrant in Image (Q1)
-|| = Top Right Quadrant in Image (Q2)
|-- = Bottom Left Quadrant in Image (Q3)
--| = Bottom Right Quadrant in Image (Q4)

Interpreting the above we have:

--l Q4
l-- Q3
ll-
ll-
ll-
-ll Q2
-l- Q1
-ll Q2
-ll Q2
-l- Q1
-ll Q2
--l Q4
-ll Q2
--l Q4
l-- Q3
l-l
l-l
-l- Q1
-

The Q3 quadrant, which Dread thought was Barnacle planets, might be stars (lines emanating from surface of sphere could indicate light rays). There were technically 2 stars in Merope (main and a Y Dwarf). That would mean this message has been repeated twice in this sequence (assuming the sequence is complete, which it probably isn't as we are missing two bits, or have an extra one).

If it was repeated twice we'd have 1xQ3 (indicating the star), but odd numbers of the rest.

So still some thinking to do here, and we need WAY more recordings. And probably an app to process them so that isn't left to interpretation.
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In my early theory I've proposed the ||- and |-| could be NEGATIVE of the respective quadrants, -|| and -|-. Whatever the quadrants could mean, we take the negative 'value'.
 

rizal72

rizal72
Dirk D said:
Hi!

I am currently not involved in researching these mysteries but after watching the livestream today I got the following idea (most likely I am not the first one but anyway):

We know that there are several regions outside the bubble that require a permit.

So has anybody tried to reach these regions while having an UA, UP or meta alloy on board (or all of them)? Meaning jumping nearby and check if on of the systems with permit is now reachable. Or comparing the permit systems that a Cmdr with UP on board sees with the ones that a Cmdr without sees.

Maybe they could work as a kind of key to unlock certain regions?



Regards

CMDR Dirk D
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It's the First Test I did with the first UP ever. And it's near COL 70 that I HONKED at it, discovering the whole THING.
 

ActualSpacePimp

ActualSpacePimp
I'm at those coordinates on 5c and there's nothing there for me either. Fluke maybe? I do find it easy to believe there's something in this giant hole though....
 
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M. Volgrand

M. Volgrand
I would like to signal again an observation I made -as it seems to have been sunk beneath hundreds of messages-. @rizal72 could you confirm if this has been observed/tested before?

M. Volgrand said:
I think I have an idea to find the start of the UP signal.


Please check this video at this time: https://youtu.be/rdn2cRkoQMI?t=9

When on the debug camera, the player was able to record the UP just while it was sending the code to the ship, after the EMP. During these few moments it remained silent until its usual signal started again. So this leaves us with 2 options:

1) The signal was paused and continued in the same point after the "message" had been delivered to the ship.
2) The signal was silenced, and carried on until the "message" was sent and the volume was turned up.
3) The signal was restarted.


WE CAN EASILY CHECK THIS OUT.

Any cmdr with an UP, please honk it and record the sound it makes with the debug camera. If the 3rd option comes to be true, we should be hearing the same signal pattern whenever it restarts. It may be a good point to further analyze the signal.

o7 cmdrs! Carry on the good science!!
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LordZoltan

LordZoltan
Dirk D said:
Hi!

I am currently not involved in researching these mysteries but after watching the livestream today I got the following idea (most likely I am not the first one but anyway):

We know that there are several regions outside the bubble that require a permit.

So has anybody tried to reach these regions while having an UA, UP or meta alloy on board (or all of them)? Meaning jumping nearby and check if on of the systems with permit is now reachable. Or comparing the permit systems that a Cmdr with UP on board sees with the ones that a Cmdr without sees.

Maybe they could work as a kind of key to unlock certain regions?



Regards

CMDR Dirk D
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Probably been ninja'd on this - but yeah we've thought about that and tried it. UP testing more limited, as they're so scarce, and there is a region I know some commanders are keen to try.

But I just wanted to say - thabks for stopping by! Hope to see more posts from you in the future :)
 
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