UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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MyklAtrum

MyklAtrum
I've been doing some searching around those Fed outposts in the shell all week. Haven't found anything unfortunately. But does anyone else find it odd that Alpha is 42 N Persei, in the middle of the chain of outposts? Thought that was a bit strange.
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
MyklAtrum said:
I've been doing some searching around those Fed outposts in the shell all week. Haven't found anything unfortunately. But does anyone else find it odd that Alpha is 42 N Persei, in the middle of the chain of outposts? Thought that was a bit strange.
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I hoped to find something in the naming... but all I found was Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, Epsilon and then Zeta. makes me wonder where the others up to Zeta are ;)
 

Atebits

A
Question:

Would the whatever's making the probes (if not the Feds) be using Nebulas as well? Or are they living somewhere else?
 

Bungalo

Bungalo
Preface: There has been some delay in me posting this as I’m semi on vacation and have not had much time. As such it took me longer to compile the data and complete the tests than expected.
Entering into the tests I set out to check when wail/howl (I use the term wail and howl interchangable, apologies if I confuse) would be provoked.
Methodology: I dropped the UP by different celestial bodies and listened to it and scooped it up at 50%

Results
SPF-LF 1 planet 7 (Ice)
30ls- 3 wails
103ls- 0 wails
48ls- 0 wails
40.4ls- 0 wails
39.6ls- 3 wails
Note: There are multiple tests here as I was establishing the distance from the planet I had to be to make the wails stop or start. It appeared to only occur within the “Sphere of Influence”. For clarification the Sphere of Influence (SOI) is listed on the bottom left hand corner of the HUD. I use this term as I don’t have a better one but it includes not just celestial bodies but also shipping lanes and stations.

SPF 1-LF 1 (red dwarf)
10.9ls- 0 wails

Luyten’s star 2 (gas giant w/ water based life, 2 rings, no moons)
2.36ls- 3 wails

Luyten’s star 6
30ls- 3 wails

LHS 1951 B 1 (gas giant with ammonia based life, no rings, no moons)
11.4ls- 3 wails

LHS 1951 A 2 (Earth like w/ station: Hobaugh Orbital)
1.47ls- 3 wails
Hobaugh Orbital
540m- 0 wails
(Note: This sequence tests to see if distance or sphere of influence is the deciding factor. As such Hobaugh orbital recording (which was in the SOI of the station) was closer to A 2 than the A 2 test, however it did not provoke any wails despite being closer. Reaffirmed: Sphere of influence determines wailing behavior. It also appears that the SOI do not overlap, there is only one SOI and that is the one listed)

LHS 1951 A 1 (high metal, with station in orbit)
0.16ls- 3 wails

Wasat A1 (high metal, volcanism, rings)
3.58ls- 3 wails

Shiboleth Belt cluster 1
(in the instance)- 0 wails

Zach C (brown dwarf)
1.48ls- 0 wails

Uchaluroja a 1 (metal rich)
20.8Mm- 3 wails

Hip 17692 A 1
0.68ls- 3 wails

Pleione 3 A
643km- 3 howls

Pleione 11 A
5.93Mm- (Internet connection issues occurred, scooped early to avoid loss). 1 wail noted, but probe was scooped early.

Conclusions: Sphere of influence determines if the UP wails. Planets/moons all appear to cause wails. Stars, asteroid belts, and stations do not.

The follow portion are things that I noticed during experimenting that I was not directly testing. As such they are not concretely listed in the results and were not subjected to the same testing rigor.
My observations: The wails appear to happen at *relatively* set intervals. The for instance the first wails always seemed to be 87-89% UP degradation, the other wails occurred similarly within a 1-3% degradation range.
To M Vol
I was planning on testing your theory but cannot currently record. However, using the set intervals I can speak partially about what I found. When I honked with the ADS it appeared the UPs interval timer between wails was frozen. The wails did not appear in the interval expected, instead they were pushed back by the duration of the transmission. I plan to get a full recording at some point and more specifics, this was just a quick test out of my curiosity. I hope it serves to pique curiosity and fully have the sequence tested.

To Dreadpirate and Rizal (and others I may have missed who share this theorycraft)
Don’t write off your theory yet, but don’t try to force the puzzle pieces in. I believe Arguendo makes some excellent points that you should heed. Perhaps the signal instead of *just* listing what is in the system goes about it in a different way?
For instance.
Instead of listing one entry for *each* instance of a celestial body in a system maybe it lists by groups. For instance, instead of saying, Star, planet, moon, moon, moon, moon and not listing celestial bodies that are not present. It may say Stars 1, planets 1, moons 4, 0 asteroid belts. It would also make an over 6 minute message for systems with just 1 star as it lists what’s there as well as what isn’t.
Also of note: Don’t try to assume too much. Maybe part of the signal is a thumbs up or a thumbs down for what the probe is looking for? We have more symbols than possible interpretations, don’t force interpretations just so *something* can fit, leave it open to interpretation on some of the other symbols. When we can get more recordings this will help. Now that some of the basics of the UP mechanics are known we should be able to control for more variables with future research.

@Vent, if you have any good data to add tack it on :)
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
Bungalo said:
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Excellent work mate. Really interesting to know.

Two things I *really* want to find out, which is why we need a UP shell:

- What happens if the UP is destroyed mid-transmission
- What happens when the UP is 'activated' while it's wailing
 
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Zambrick

Zambrick
I am headed back out to the Monkey Head Nebula to check out that Neutron Star still producing energy and gas for the Nebula. I am bringing all scanners and will hang out there for a few days. I am wondering if Neutron stars that are actively feeding a Nebula would be of interest to our possible Alien friends.

The Neutron star in Monkeys head is one of the farthest examples of Neutron stars from the galactic core. The only other neutron starts any further out in any consistent numbers are over by the Formidine Rift. Since Merope is located in the Lower 4th quadrant i figured I would check on this side of the Galaxy.

I am then going hope out further on the outer arm and see if I can actually make it out to a nebula I spotted out there while goofing with the Galaxy map. There is a nebula with a Neutron star way out there but I could not get the name to draw in on the map. It looks to be 30 to 40 ly minimum distances between systems out there. I just fitted my Anaconda for deep space travel and am getting around 46ly maximum jump. I want to check out that

I know Neutron stars can eventually pull in other stars in the system and turn into a black hole. They also have the potential to slow down and actually form themselves into planets. I just want to see what kind of Neutron star the one in Monkey Head is and do some exploring in the system. As one star is currently dying in the nebula, we know eventually that area will be able to birth another star with the materials being released. That may or may not be of interest to the engineers of the UA and UP.

Most of the Neutron stars are located near the core so I am hoping this one might be different. Has anyone else done any science involving a Neutron star in regards to our current UA/UP mystery? If so where and how close to the core? Did you look around one in deep space near the outer Rim? I dont want to duplicate someone elses work.
 

Layne Vakarian

Layne Vakarian
Jmanis said:
So I'm home sick full of mucus and bacteria, so I've taken a moment to write the idiot's guide to UA/UP/Meta-Alloys etc.

I get it. Everyone should read the front page first. But has anyone who says that actually *read* the front page recently? Not dissing Rizal's work maintaining it, but that thing is massive, so I can understand why people skip it.

Things to note about this guide:
- The FAQ is especially written in my usual cynical tongue. If you take nothing out of it, take this: You need a thick skin. If you can't handle the FAQ of my idiots guide, you definitely won't handle the main thread. Nobody is out to get you, but speaking from experience, there's only so many times I can tell the full story of how the morse was discovered before I throw kittens off balconies.
- This contains almost no speculation, no matter how much potential it has. The one exception is a comment about the Barnacle symbol looking like Barnard's Loop. Everything else is proven fact.
- I don't reference anything. Again, this is the idiot's guide, I've tried to keep it to only solid fact in order to cut this down to a minimum of things you can safely assume to be true.
- The FAQ focuses mostly on bringing suggestions here. It might be a bit cutting, but is only my opinion. If you vehemently disagree with what I've said, fill your boots and post away here. Again, thick skin. But reading 8 threads worth of this stuff has shown all the comments to be true at some point, but I'm not here to tell anyone what to do, just gently suggest.
- I don't categorically list things that have been disproven/proven to only be speculation. That's what the front thread is for.

Just my 40c while I cough up a lung to try and lessen noise.
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Perfect. Just....Perfect. Have a million reps (in lieu of the real one I can't give atm) o7
 

Layne Vakarian

Layne Vakarian
Bungalo said:
Preface: There has been some delay in me posting this as I’m semi on vacation and have not had much time. As such it took me longer to compile the data and complete the tests than expected.
Entering into the tests I set out to check when wail/howl (I use the term wail and howl interchangable, apologies if I confuse) would be provoked.
Methodology: I dropped the UP by different celestial bodies and listened to it and scooped it up at 50%

Results
SPF-LF 1 planet 7 (Ice)
30ls- 3 wails
103ls- 0 wails
48ls- 0 wails
40.4ls- 0 wails
39.6ls- 3 wails
Note: There are multiple tests here as I was establishing the distance from the planet I had to be to make the wails stop or start. It appeared to only occur within the “Sphere of Influence”. For clarification the Sphere of Influence (SOI) is listed on the bottom left hand corner of the HUD. I use this term as I don’t have a better one but it includes not just celestial bodies but also shipping lanes and stations.

SPF 1-LF 1 (red dwarf)
10.9ls- 0 wails

Luyten’s star 2 (gas giant w/ water based life, 2 rings, no moons)
2.36ls- 3 wails

Luyten’s star 6
30ls- 3 wails

LHS 1951 B 1 (gas giant with ammonia based life, no rings, no moons)
11.4ls- 3 wails

LHS 1951 A 2 (Earth like w/ station: Hobaugh Orbital)
1.47ls- 3 wails
Hobaugh Orbital
540m- 0 wails
(Note: This sequence tests to see if distance or sphere of influence is the deciding factor. As such Hobaugh orbital recording (which was in the SOI of the station) was closer to A 2 than the A 2 test, however it did not provoke any wails despite being closer. Reaffirmed: Sphere of influence determines wailing behavior. It also appears that the SOI do not overlap, there is only one SOI and that is the one listed)

LHS 1951 A 1 (high metal, with station in orbit)
0.16ls- 3 wails

Wasat A1 (high metal, volcanism, rings)
3.58ls- 3 wails

Shiboleth Belt cluster 1
(in the instance)- 0 wails

Zach C (brown dwarf)
1.48ls- 0 wails

Uchaluroja a 1 (metal rich)
20.8Mm- 3 wails

Hip 17692 A 1
0.68ls- 3 wails

Pleione 3 A
643km- 3 howls

Pleione 11 A
5.93Mm- (Internet connection issues occurred, scooped early to avoid loss). 1 wail noted, but probe was scooped early.

Conclusions: Sphere of influence determines if the UP wails. Planets/moons all appear to cause wails. Stars, asteroid belts, and stations do not.

The follow portion are things that I noticed during experimenting that I was not directly testing. As such they are not concretely listed in the results and were not subjected to the same testing rigor.
My observations: The wails appear to happen at *relatively* set intervals. The for instance the first wails always seemed to be 87-89% UP degradation, the other wails occurred similarly within a 1-3% degradation range.
To M Vol
I was planning on testing your theory but cannot currently record. However, using the set intervals I can speak partially about what I found. When I honked with the ADS it appeared the UPs interval timer between wails was frozen. The wails did not appear in the interval expected, instead they were pushed back by the duration of the transmission. I plan to get a full recording at some point and more specifics, this was just a quick test out of my curiosity. I hope it serves to pique curiosity and fully have the sequence tested.

To Dreadpirate and Rizal (and others I may have missed who share this theorycraft)
Don’t write off your theory yet, but don’t try to force the puzzle pieces in. I believe Arguendo makes some excellent points that you should heed. Perhaps the signal instead of *just* listing what is in the system goes about it in a different way?
For instance.
Instead of listing one entry for *each* instance of a celestial body in a system maybe it lists by groups. For instance, instead of saying, Star, planet, moon, moon, moon, moon and not listing celestial bodies that are not present. It may say Stars 1, planets 1, moons 4, 0 asteroid belts. It would also make an over 6 minute message for systems with just 1 star as it lists what’s there as well as what isn’t.
Also of note: Don’t try to assume too much. Maybe part of the signal is a thumbs up or a thumbs down for what the probe is looking for? We have more symbols than possible interpretations, don’t force interpretations just so *something* can fit, leave it open to interpretation on some of the other symbols. When we can get more recordings this will help. Now that some of the basics of the UP mechanics are known we should be able to control for more variables with future research.

@Vent, if you have any good data to add tack it on :)
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One thing that occurs to me having read this: if the probes are that keen on planetary bodies, perhaps the appearance of space-borne probes will be most likely within the 'sphere of influence', and anyone hunting for them ought not to rely on the random USS spawns, but focus on USS spawns only near planets/moons...
 

Wobblin-Gobblin

Wobblin-Gobblin
So, sorry for asking. Now there is a fed outpost on HIP Iforgotthename, but are there also outposts from the bubble to the pleiades?
 
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