UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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Surl Tesh-echer

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So, if this is logically obvious, then sth will happen around*:
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That's it! Done. So we are looking for planet(s) with atmosphere, not being gas giant and with two other bodies doing weird stuff around this planet. Now go find them.

For science!
* (e.g. UP will pop-up)
 

Derthek

Derthek
Patau82 said:
Free floating UAs were found when there was very little activity in the Pleiades compared to now
If they are in the Pleiades would have thought someone would have come across them?
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I theorize that the UP will spawn much further than the Pleadies, given that we now have CRCR to haul them long distances. I'm going to check all the usual places, just built a 40.12 ly conda (without mods)
 

Tomtom

Tomtom
Hrm well, if it's logic you're after, I have a little hypothesis about where UP may be found. I've mentioned it before, but I didn't have all the necessary data at the time so wasn't able to narrow down a search area. And now I do. So...

We unfortunately must begin with a pair of assumptions, but they are at least reasonable ones. Firstly, let's assume that the UA and UP are somehow related to The Missing. The fact that the UA uses morse code and the human names for star systems lends weight to this idea.
Next, we have the pointing behaviour: the devices could be serving as signposts, and whoever created them wants us to follow the trail. Otherwise, why point at all?

So where does this logically lead? Well, first we find a UA. They point to Merope, so we fly there. Upon arrival we find the UP which points to... oh, wait... we didn't find the UP. Logically, if they were direction signposts, they should be placed close to the arrival point, yes? It makes sense to do so. So where are they?

Well.. let's go back to our first assumption: The Missing. They may not be aware of the Frame Shift Drives, as these are very new technology in the early 34th century. If they are using the older hyperdrives, the arrival point in a system is not close to the star. So we need to know where their arrival point would be, as that is the most likely place they'd deploy the signposts.

So, I installed FFE hired a Cobra with an older Hyperdrive system and flew to Merope, and jumped in and out of the system several times in several directions. My arrival point varied from 7.8AU to 9.1AU. Also, arrival was always close to the orbital plane of the system. Convert AU to ls and we have a search area that is a ring, close to the system orbital plane, ranging 3900ls to 4540ls from Merope itself.

It's a long shot I know, but it is logically sound and very testable. I would pop into Merope to search myself, but I'm actually a way away on an expedition at the moment. If anybody else likes the logic and feels it's worth checking out - go for it, and good luck!
 

Arguendo

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Arguendo
HBosch said:
I think it may be much simpler than we have been imagining -check this out.
http://imgur.com/a/aDyEq
http://imgur.com/a/xzay9

I think the text reads 55 L M2 (But could be making a mistake here)
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What kind of settings are you using for this image? When cleaning up the image a bit, there is hardly anything down there. Atleast nothing that I can make out.
This is what I see, and picture includes Audacity settings.
0Ppq7mE.png

Also, why would suddenly the bottom part use the inverse identifying pattern from the top (ie. top has "dark= info, but bottom has "light = info")? That makes no sense, unless I am misunderstanding the whole spectogram thing. For me, light=nothing, dark=sounds.

Imgur direct link: http://imgur.com/0Ppq7mEAlso,
 
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Edelgard von Rhein

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I suspect that the reason the UA shell has never expanded out again past its present 135-150LY radius from Merope is because the UAs found what they were looking for, or sufficient signs of it to make it worth deploying UPs to specific locations. Therefore, I suspect free-floating UPs are going to be found within 150LY of Merope. I suspect that the UPs wailing behaviour indicates that their purpose requires being close to a planet, so it might be best to search close to planets in this region.
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The criteria for which planets/regions are of interest to UPs is something that would, as Michael Brookes suggested, only be obvious after the fact and we realise 'oh, that's what they were looking for'. Until then, we can speculate that they might be interested in life of one kind or another or the locations of crashed ships etc. and test that by searching in appropriate locations.
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It is very important to note that Michael Brookes has suggested that it will be easier to find free-floating UPs when looking in the right place than it is to capture them from the convoys. This means they are almost certainly not as rare as the convoys and may even appear as frequently as UAs do in the shell. That means we can almost certainly rule out Merope 5c as a possible location: it has been searched so much we'd have found them already. We can also more easily rule out other locations, e.g. near Earth-like Worlds, after perhaps a couple of hours rather than days spent searching. This should allow us to refine our search parameters on a shorter timescale.
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The next question is tough: does the image in UP transmissions tell us where to find free-floaters (and thus where they were sent before their capture) or is it a clue to what they were looking for? I suspect we will only find out after we can compare with that of a free-floating UP. I have a hunch we will see another image from free-floaters and need both images to find the next clue.
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Have any 'tip-offs' been reported with locations within 150LY of Merope? If so, these planets might be worth looking near (not in orbital cruise but close enough for the planet's name to show on the HUD).
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What could the UPs be searching for? This would determine the logic of their deployment. Some possibilities to get people thinking:
Earth-like Worlds: (closest that I know of is in the system with the Alliance listening post)
Ammonia worlds
Life-bearing worlds of different kinds
Barnacles (or worlds with an environment suitable for them)
Planets with specific materials (Polonium? Yttrium?)
Inhabited worlds (current human outposts included)
Lost/crashed ships (human or otherwise)
Valid combinations of the above (e.g. Barnacle-friendly with Polonium)​
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TL;DR I suspect that we may be able to find free-floating UPs near planets matching certain criteria within 150LY of Merope. By ruling out even one individual world in each category (e.g. Earth-like or Barnacle-friendly), we can hopefully exclude other worlds in those categories. By a process of elimination, this will hopefully lead us to finding free-floating UPs. Images from both captured and free-floating UP transmissions will help us to find the next clue.
 

iFred

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HBosch said:
This is Hieronymus Bosch,

My co pilot Major Pareidolia and 3rd mate Captain Decoder ring believe we have stumbled across more data for a solution.
(Although I suspect Major Pareidolia may in fact be some paint peeling in my ship...)

I think it may be much simpler than we have been imagining -check this out.
http://imgur.com/a/aDyEq
http://imgur.com/a/xzay9

I think the text reads 55 L M2 (But could be making a mistake here)
On the circle the globe appears like a planet map, the radial line i think is a coordinate - this marks a longitude of Sin (-45) *-90 = -63.63 Does 55 mark Lattitude (L)?
Does M2 mean Merope 2 (Not 5c)

Have been to Merope 2s' 4 planets and hunted these coordinates with nothing found.

I also think Major Pareidolia has been stealing all the tea and biscuits - not to mention he looks at me strangely.... I am becoming very afraid.
I think all this space and rocks is making him insane. I shall use extra tin foil around my head tonight.

If someone can make anything of this let me know. Best of luck
Thank you kindly

Heironymus Bosch
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"They" are able to produce a pretty clear picture of a sphere and all the other stuff into the sound - but even if they HAVE the knowledge of our writing/letters etc., they are NOT able to show them in the picture?

100 % illogical.
 

HBosch

HBosch
CMDR Arguendo said:
What kind of settings are you using for this image?
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Am using the high quality recording on th link from first page

mhyre-24bit-192kHz (not cleaned or altered in anyway)
Audacity,
Spectrogram
window size 8192
(Enable spectrogram selection)
(Even on your image you can see the 55 at the bottom..)
Spectrogram settings
 

who?

who?
LL sabregt LL said:
Hello commander
I will conduct an exploration mission in the BLUE EAEC AA-A H74 nebulae. What sort of stars should I be looking for that have had the most common UP sightings and what type of planets should I be looking for? Also another question on a different topic does Jaques station have outfitting available yet?


Commander Sabre
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We don't know, really.

If there are any parallels with the UAs - the UAs are found in a 'shell' in a given range from a system with barnacles (Merope). The only lead we have is that UPs might also be found in a shell around this or other barnacle systems. But that could be... just about anywhere; depending on the range.
 

HBosch

HBosch
iFred said:
"They" are able to produce a pretty clear picture of a sphere and all the other stuff into the sound - but even if they HAVE the knowledge of our writing/letters etc., they are NOT able to show them in the picture?

100 % illogical.
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I do agree that it is somehwhat illogical, and i may be seeing things that are not there, but since we cannot know all the facts maybe some assumptions are wrong, for example - we assume this is a message for us. But what if this is a code for someone else. Say there are humans who are already in contact with aliens - an alien crashes, and needs help but is trying to communicate with its human conspirators....

We assume this is a golden disk - but that is likely wrong. If this was a logic puzzle brighter people than me would have already solved it. What if its an old fashioned emergency code. North Korea puts out weird radio messages that make no sense for spies in the south to receive. could this be something similar???? Just thoughts.
 

Colonel Kenney

Colonel Kenney
Surl Tesh-echer said:
So, if this is logically obvious, then sth will happen around*:
https://s9.postimg.org/q0k4wsnpr/theory2.jpg

That's it! Done. So we are looking for planet(s) with atmosphere, not being gas giant and with two other bodies doing weird stuff around this planet. Now go find them.

For science!
* (e.g. UP will pop-up)
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That is the gist of what I was thinking as well from the very start. It is just really missing 1 major reference to help us narrow it down.
 
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Mr_beeps

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Hello All,

I posted a probable solution for the UP mystery over on Reddit yesterday. I have made some tweaks to it since then (I made the graphic without access to the galaxy map and therefore had inaccurate distances) and I think the argument is pretty compelling. Please pick it apart or improve as you see fit. I've drawn two conclusions:

1) The image is a map with a "scale" based upon the radius of the sphere (identified by the binary "1")
2) The map locates and defines the dimensions of the UA shell, and possibly shows us where a "second" shell may be containing free floating UP

You can read my reddit post, but I will summarize here to make it a bit simpler:

The binary numbers in the image represent distances relative to the radius of the UA shell

"1" - this identifies the radius and sets it to equal 1 unit of distance (UAs have been found as close to Merope as 134.2 LY, though I think they could be found as close as 126.6 LY)
- Originally i used 135 as my radius value as I thought I had heard that was the closest UA. I'm adjusting to 126.6 LY (rounding to 127) as the radius, you'll see why

"2" - the arc is at a distance of twice the radius outside of the shell (2x), or 2 times 127 LY which is 254 LY. I'll come back to this

"3" - three times the radius, or 381 LY. Sol is 381 LY away from Merope. The (( I believe indicates a signal being received from Sol. Earth has been broadcasting radio signals into space for about 1400 years (in game) and therefore it would make sense to use this radio signal as a reference point.

"4" - four times the radius, or 508 LY. Note that the \ / symbols start OUTSIDE the shell, therefore the reference points are 4x the radius away from the beginning of the shell, or 5x the radius away from Merope, bringing the total distance to 635 LY from Merope. Now here is where things get interesting:

- The two lines point to two reference points 635 LY away from Merope
- California nebula and witch head nebula are equidistant from Merope (depending on where you measure them from). Using the following stars you get:
 California nebula: 632.61 LY away (DL-y d25 chosen as it is in gases)
Witch head nebula 633.57 LY away(gw-w c1-3 chosen as it is in the gases)

So why did I use 127 LY instead of 135 (or 134.2)? Well, I reverse engineered that radius based upon Merope's distance to sol (381 divided by 3). To make this theory work, we need commanders to look in systems 127 LY away from Merope to see if we can find a UA.

Additionally, the "2" arc is the real question. I think it shows us one of two things:

1) Where the UA shell ends, 2x radial distance from Merope (boring)
2) Where a second shell is, where we may find "free floating" UP (less boring)

So the 2x radial distance is likely 2x the radius outside the shell, or 254 LY out from Merope.

Testable aspects of this theory:

1) Search systems 127 LY away from Merope for UA
2) Search systems 254 LY away from Merope for UP (or slightly less than that for UA)

Please critique, complain, argue, spit on, or approve of this theory. Reddit link below. Note that the graphic contained within the link uses my old inaccurate numbers.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/4wr2ot/up_image_describes_ua_shell_and_possibly_shows/
 
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crushdepth

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iFred said:
"They" are able to produce a pretty clear picture of a sphere and all the other stuff into the sound - but even if they HAVE the knowledge of our writing/letters etc., they are NOT able to show them in the picture?

100 % illogical.
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Not if the probe was designed by humans, and they were expecting to communicate with non-humans.
 
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Arguendo

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Edelgard von Rhein said:
I suspect that the reason the UA shell has never expanded out again past its present 135-150LY radius from Merope is because the UAs found what they were looking for, or sufficient signs of it to make it worth deploying UPs to specific locations. Therefore, I suspect free-floating UPs are going to be found within 150LY of Merope. I suspect that the UPs wailing behaviour indicates that their purpose requires being close to a planet, so it might be best to search close to planets in this region.
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I don't know why, but to me those wails sound more like a "No, take me away from here" than "Oooh, goodie, that's it!" That's just me though.

HBosch said:
Am using the high quality recording on th link from first page

mhyre-24bit-192kHz (not cleaned or altered in anyway)

(Even on your image you can see the 55 at the bottom..)
Spectrogram settings
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Like I said, why would the light part be the info in the bottom, but the dark part in the top? That makes no sense...and there is no way I can see 55 in my image ;)

PeLucheuh said:
I can't log in-game yet but :

- Are the convoy always with military ships ?
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As far as we know, yes. Always a military convoy and a Python carrying the UP. That could mean that we just haven't found other types out there though, but I for one seriously doubt there are other types of UP Convoys out there.
 
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