UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

[KRONFROMGALVATRON]

For those of you looking at the Phase Shift Key idea for the Symbol - I am really liking that these days

I am seeing what im calling a carrier wave in the UP signal. I have been playing with some Ham Radio software (Ham Radio Deluxe) and there is a nice sine wave that is coming from the UP at around 1500 Hz. So far I have not been able to make much of it ...

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You might be onto something here. I have Hamilton Radio Deluxe installed on an old T61 that's currently boxed up with my radio from moving a couple months ago.

One of those signals does sort of look like it might possible be low bit rate psk. Psk usually looks a bit like DNA double helix and makes a distinctive warbling sound if it's not drowned out by other sounds.

You should be able to select one or more encodings as active for your HRD layout then click on traces in the spectrograph to have them decoded and displayed as text.

 

[Keybuk]

The last part bothers me though. WHY can't it be done in-game? Why do we have to rely on forums and books and blogs to find out what the heck is happening in this game?

The game presents us with news as an ordinary citizen would receive it, there isn't a way for it to show us the inner thoughts of President Halsey as she awakens in the hospital bed, etc. The key phrase here is "in depth," the game will give you all the outlines of the plot, and will satisfy most people, the book just fills in the colors for those who want it.

Not to mention the Elite series has a long and honorable history of supplying background lore through side-along books. There was one in my box of both Frontier, and Frontier First Encounters, and one in my dad's box of Elite too.

 

[simulacrae]

You might be onto something here. I have Hamilton Radio Deluxe installed on an old T61 that's currently boxed up with my radio from moving a couple months ago.

One of those signals does sort of look like it might possible be low bit rate psk. Psk usually looks a bit like DNA double helix and makes a distinctive warbling sound if it's not drowned out by other sounds.

You should be able to select one or more encodings as active for your HRD layout then click on traces in the spectrograph to have them decoded and displayed as text.

Thanks Ya I did try that - so far im just getting gibberish.... Was hoping someone with more experience with this could tell me Im just crazy - But it did get me to dig the old shortwave out

 

[TheDeathsHead]

and the outpost 'Pre Logistics Support Delta'. It sells Articulation Motors, Micro-Weave Cooling Hoses, and Magnetic Emitter Coils, if that's useful.

no, it was not useful.

I wasted 45 min getting there to buy hoses, and they don't sell anything but hydrogen fuel.

 

[Omgzzwtf]

@ TheDeathsHead have some rep for a fine avatar, friend!

 

[BluWolve]

I went to check out LUYTEN 205-128, following my theory that UP convoys spawn conditions may be related to particular local news and system states.

I found a "Salvageable Wreckage" persistent POI, but everytime I tried dropping in there was no actual salvageable items. I have submitted a bug report but if there were anyone in the area would they mind seeing if the same thing happens for them? I have never seen one of these POI before so I'm not sure exactly what is supposed to spawn in the instance, but I presume there should be salvageable wreckage of some kind?

 

[Lordxenu]

I went to check out LUYTEN 205-128, following my theory that UP convoys spawn conditions may be related to particular local news and system states.

I found a "Salvageable Wreckage" persistent POI, but everytime I tried dropping in there was no actual salvageable items. I have submitted a bug report but if there were anyone in the area would they mind seeing if the same thing happens for them? I have never seen one of these POI before so I'm not sure exactly what is supposed to spawn in the instance, but I presume there should be salvageable wreckage of some kind?

They used to exist pre 2.1 it was the old degraded emissions poi not seen one since 2.1 dropped though and definately not a persistant one

 

[Alex Brentnall]

Howdy all. I don't generally contribute as there's too many smart people here and everything I suggest has usually been tried before but I had an unusual thought that I'm not sure you folks have tried.

So the UA/UP scan ships and/or EMP blast type thing. Anyone tried putting them near stations or outposts or the Voyager Probe? I'd do the stations one in a sidewinder. That'd probably annoy a lot of people


Voyager would be cool. Maybe in 3301 the sensors are so advanced the old school 1900's sensors could find something new (FD if your watching). Would be a cool galnet piece that the voyger probe reports back to Earth new data...

 

[ilo]

I went to check out LUYTEN 205-128, following my theory that UP convoys spawn conditions may be related to particular local news and system states.

I found a "Salvageable Wreckage" persistent POI, but everytime I tried dropping in there was no actual salvageable items. I have submitted a bug report but if there were anyone in the area would they mind seeing if the same thing happens for them? I have never seen one of these POI before so I'm not sure exactly what is supposed to spawn in the instance, but I presume there should be salvageable wreckage of some kind?

you should always expect 6 Elite anacondas hidden somewhere.. always.

 

[BluWolve]

They used to exist pre 2.1 it was the old degraded emissions poi not seen one since 2.1 dropped though and definately not a persistant one

Yes this was the problem when I tried to search up on them only getting hits for the old signal sources. This one wasn't a USS I honestly hardly ever bother stopping to look at them. It showed up in my navigations tab like a cap ship or res site, which is why I noticed it.

Trying to drop into it put me at the same distance I was in super cruise... So if I dropped out at 950km distance I would have to travel in normal space the rest of the way.

Dropping in close - under 20km distance - and there were npc ships and asteroids, also wreckage of a ship. Just never any cargo canisters or materials of any sort would spawn. I tried dropping into the same POI 3 times and each time there was no cargo spawning so I figured it would be some kind if bug.

The system is right next door to Sol, so if anyone was there i would appreciate if they could check out if the POI is there for them too, if so if any cargo appears.

I just remembered Starship One was just in Sol when I was last online, parked near Mars. Felicia Winters recently spoke at a rally there according to Galnet. Surely isn't related...?

 

[damajoo]

Something just came to my mind - sorry - just brainstorming, no i have no solution.

So Palin is the one who's doing experiments with MA and UA.
He's the only resource to get CRCR.
Some are speculating, that he knows "more".

To get access to him as an engineer, you have to Attain a maximum distance from your career start location of at least 5,000 light years.

You can get the CRCR from him as soon as you know his location.

Perhaps you may find free floating UP's around +/- 5000LY around SOL, and this requirment of Palin is to get us "there", and the CRCR would help to get them back home.

Don't know - as i said, just came to my mind.

 

[CmdrZaratan]

We need a reliable source of Unknown Probes, which means we need to find them free floating in space in their natural habitat, rather than in the cargo hold of an extremely rare fleet of heavily armed ships.

I think one thing that's stopping us finding them is that we have no idea how long we need to be in the right spot to get one to spawn. I'd hope if you were in the right spot you'd be just about guaranteed to find one within 5 minutes. If we knew that we'd at least be able to rule out places we were trying.

The probe points at a particular planet (Merope 5C), and reports suggest the probe only howls when near a planet (unconfirmed and I can't find it on the front page). Satellite signal sources only appear in orbit around planets, so it stands to reason some things can only be found near celestial bodies. We can look:
- In orbit around Merope 5c
----lots have tried this including me, so we can probably rule this out as someone would have lucked out by now
- In orbit around landable planets in a particular part of the UA shell
----This theory evolves from the idea that the UA shell is looking for something 135-150ly from Merope, and the probes are the next stage in the search
----I've tried a bit of this but found diddly. Anyone know where to get a list of every system in the UA shell?
- In systems between Merope and the UA shell
----The probes may be travelling to the shell and not arrived yet.
----If they're all travelling in the same direction then they won't make up their own shell around Merope.
----UA's were originally found free floating closer to Merope
- In systems just outside the UA shell
----The UA's may have a range bigger than the system they're in,so whatever the probes are looking for may be just outside the shell or even further out

Anyone searching for free floaters working a different theory?

 

[Niamhy]

I've looked for probe shells around merope, midpoint between merope and artifact shell, 137 lr outside the artifact shell. UPs are spacecraft, so you don't need to land on worlds to find them. They just aren't there to be found.

The problem is, most people (me included) have been focusing on Merope, but there are none in/around Merope. Which is why lately focus has been shifting to : if the probes aren't at their destination, they must still be at their departure point (or some point inbetween). But that isn't Heart & Soul. It isn't California. It isn't Witch-head. It isn't around Jaques.

Gah... to quote Indiana Jones "we're digging in the wrong place". Possibly because we have only one side of the Headpiece of the Staff of Ra, and we need both sides.

 

[Commandeur_Brin]

Looks to me that the UP is zeroing in on something (compared to the UA) so it seems logical that an hypothetical shell would be closer and not farther.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Now they are being found around pergunia the plague system closer to maia i think that whole thing has been thrown wide open 95% still are obsessed with merope 5c.

The only thing we have is that they are being pretty close to the sirius / sol core federation worlds so far. And the same systems are HQ of the leading entities listed as heavily investing in R and D and meta drive and all that. I think we may need to search some of the other nebulas. I have my own theory but need to be able to get some play time to rule it out

UAs, wherever they are found, always point to Merope star. UPs, wherever found, always point to Merope 5C. It is logical that Merope 5C is at the heart of this mystery.

 

[Niamhy]

Personally I don't think there us a UP "shell". Reason being, the Artifacts scattered in space, and found/pointed to Merope. They have their target, so there is no point scattering probes in space to make a smaller shell, they can just send probes straight to Merope. So either 1) there is a stash of Probes somewhere in the Merope system, hidden in plain sight or 2) the Artifacts found Merope, signalled for the probes to be sent to it, but they haven't arrived there yet. Which means they are probably still en-route to it. a big "ball" of Probes casually making its way from XXX to Merope.

The Federation knows where they are, and sends convoys out to collect them, so they can't be TOO far away from the Bubble. But where....

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UAs, wherever they are found, always point to Merope star. UPs, wherever found, always point to Merope 5C. It is logical that Merope 5C is at the heart of this mystery.

Yeah, they point to 5C for a reason. But the mystery of why they point there is different to the mystery about where they are coming from/can be found. I think Merope is an "event" location, something will happen there when Frontier are good an ready for it to happen. In the meantime, there is "an easy place to collect Probes" out there, and that is the more urgent mystery.

 

[Xenia_K]

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Perhaps you may find free floating UP's around +/- 5000LY around SOL, and this requirment of Palin is to get us "there", and the CRCR would help to get them back home.

Don't know - as i said, just came to my mind.

one thing I noticed on the last as well as on the current tour corewards is, the farer U get from the bubble, the more often USS0 with wrecked sip and small or large exploration data canister spawn. Didn´t focus on, but might well be that it starts around distance 5000LY....

In that context m noob question - If one scoops data cannister, only sellable on the black-market or cjnce to read the data ?

 

[Shinzo]

i agree with Niamhy... to some extent. Unknown Probes might be previous generation of "seeds" that were sent to Merope 5C to morph into already known barnacles. Unknown Artifact is just current evolution of the seed. We just caught a moment where alien intel network evolves into new generation with new destinations.

So whole image output might have been a coincedence when probe was triggered accidentally to show it's instructions. Find Merope 5C -> establish barnacle outpost -> send new gneration into designated areas -> keep relying information from probes
It could be that when unknown artifact travels it evolves along the way into unknown probe. When it's close to it's destination it becomes mature unknown probe.

So there is probably somewhere another bubble formed from unknown artifacts. Or if each generation is different in that case maybe even bubble formed from unknown probes?

 

[Xenia_K]

the circles and the markers move permanently

yes, due to the system machanics - BUT, and that why I pointed to the outer ring which should represent merope system, the system itself is the only fixed thingy here.
5C rotatates aroud 5 which is rotating around the star, so both are not suitable as nav references, the only way to get a constant ref is to assume Merope in the center and the two
bottom left rays as reference vectors pointing to (nebulae, maghellan clouds, nearest system etc.) and this way establish a fixed orientation plane & angle. BTW the same is on the golden disc, where a bunch of pulsars is used as vectors to ident earth position in the galaxy.

>Pops an idea - did anyone check yet if l-- --l ll- -l- is part of one of the pulsars coding in the voyagers disc? Checked up, on first glance not, but i will follow up. Might be likely that the coding of UP diagram is based on voyagers disc coding, as (until now) no common reference, like the hydrogen molecule on voyager disc, as start for de-ciphering is given in UP diagram - maybe because sender of UP assumes we don´t need as they are using "our" coding system?

 

[Muetdhiver]

No, I looked and it does not match. On the other hand, it could be smthg like the pioneer plaque with
the sol system distances in binary. But I very much doubt it.