The Star Citizen Thread v5

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Refund received! $305 back.

Wasn't too painful had a bit of over and back stating the usual grievances, evidences and holes in ToS dates but overall not too much of an epic.

Ultimately I'm sad to have felt this was necessary and way back in 2012 this project got me back into space gaming, leading to backing ED, buying NMS etc. Just hope it does come together and releases something worth playing in the not too distant future. Just no way I could justify $305 for something that is going to be a massive work in progress and labelled as MVP.
 
Unlike with No Man's Sky, which also relies on procedurally generated content, the planet in Star Citizen are not completely random, but are created by a predetermined algorithm. A planet is thus generated repeatedly in the same way and thus does not differ at each visit and from player to player.

Again with this bullcrap. They really need to understand what they are criticising before they criticise it.

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Refund received! $305 back.

Wasn't too painful had a bit of over and back stating the usual grievances, evidences and holes in ToS dates but overall not too much of an epic.

Ultimately I'm sad to have felt this was necessary and way back in 2012 this project got me back into space gaming, leading to backing ED, buying NMS etc. Just hope it does come together and releases something worth playing in the not too distant future. Just no way I could justify $305 for something that is going to be a massive work in progress and labelled as MVP.

Congratulations.
Why they choose to bicker in the first place beats me, they should just honour the request and part on good terms. Rather than the guilt-tripping, justification and denial process they go through.
 
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Same here refund received :)

I'm a bit sad because i hard believed the dream in early days but CEO and Company behaviour no longer deserve any trust.

I hope all the best for the good guys that are working on the project, they aren't the problem :)
 
Refund received! $305 back.

Wasn't too painful had a bit of over and back stating the usual grievances, evidences and holes in ToS dates but overall not too much of an epic.

Ultimately I'm sad to have felt this was necessary and way back in 2012 this project got me back into space gaming, leading to backing ED, buying NMS etc. Just hope it does come together and releases something worth playing in the not too distant future. Just no way I could justify $305 for something that is going to be a massive work in progress and labelled as MVP.

Congrats.

This whole thing has put me off pre-ordering completely.

Unless it was a title I was absolutely going to buy anyway I just wouldn't pay up front for something that isn't made and reviewable in public.

The recent Noman's Kai release perfectly illustrates how people can easily expect one thing based on their personal expectations and end up getting something they didn't expect.
 
Refund received! $305 back.

Wasn't too painful had a bit of over and back stating the usual grievances, evidences and holes in ToS dates but overall not too much of an epic.

Ultimately I'm sad to have felt this was necessary and way back in 2012 this project got me back into space gaming, leading to backing ED, buying NMS etc. Just hope it does come together and releases something worth playing in the not too distant future. Just no way I could justify $305 for something that is going to be a massive work in progress and labelled as MVP.
Same here refund received :)

I'm a bit sad because i hard believed the dream in early days but CEO and Company behaviour no longer deserve any trust.

I hope all the best for the good guys that are working on the project, they aren't the problem :)
Congrats!
 
Congrats.

This whole thing has put me off pre-ordering completely.

Unless it was a title I was absolutely going to buy anyway I just wouldn't pay up front for something that isn't made and reviewable in public.

The recent Noman's Kai release perfectly illustrates how people can easily expect one thing based on their personal expectations and end up getting something they didn't expect.

Same here Ian. Very reticent now about kick starting, crowd funding whatever after this with SC and to a lesser extent experience with ED. It boils down to what is put forward by the devs and what is received and over what time frame. Both SC and ED detailed much and you know what they may well deliver but I can't be left wondering when after years of backing whether it delivers or not.
 
The countdown to Gamescom continues... and Star Citizen continues to amaze and surprise (and stupefy) in equal measure.

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Really CIG?

How the hell does this even happen?

How do you even think that somehow an all-conquering, all-fixing, "magic patch" (2.7) is going to get rid of all of those issues. Especially since every patch iteration since 2.0 was supposed to be "The One" to fix various bugs and glitches afflicting the PTU.

And anyway, why is an Alpha (really a tech demo) of an upcoming release in the need of multiple patches and fixes? Shouldn't that be something that is done *after* the game goes at least to Beta or following full release?
 
Same here Ian. Very reticent now about kick starting, crowd funding whatever after this with SC and to a lesser extent experience with ED. It boils down to what is put forward by the devs and what is received and over what time frame. Both SC and ED detailed much and you know what they may well deliver but I can't be left wondering when after years of backing whether it delivers or not.

Yes and on time frame slippage there is also limit theory as an example.
 
The countdown to Gamescom continues... and Star Citizen continues to amaze and surprise (and stupefy) in equal measure.

http://i.imgur.com/HjamSO7.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/qRFGIFi.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/OfqrcYa.jpg

Really CIG?

How the hell does this even happen?

How do you even think that somehow an all-conquering, all-fixing, "magic patch" (2.7) is going to get rid of all of those issues. Especially since every patch iteration since 2.0 was supposed to be "The One" to fix various bugs and glitches afflicting the PTU.

And anyway, why is an Alpha (really a tech demo) of an upcoming release in the need of multiple patches and fixes? Shouldn't that be something that is done *after* the game goes at least to Beta or following full release?

LOL! You know, I wish they don't fix that - that's too damn hysterical. Slender Man in space.
 
Very little news!

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Star-Citizen-Spiel-3481/Specials/Studio-Preview-1204131/

PCGamesHardware visited Foundry42

There is a translation on reddit:
Star Citizen - visit Foundry 42 : exclusive impressions of procedurally generated planets and interview with Chris Roberts

Together with the sister magazine PC Games we visited Foundry 42 , Studio of Cloud Imperium Games , the youngest of Star Citizen participated . We talked at length with Chris and his brother Erin Roberts , Studio manager Brian Chambers and a number of other employees . We could also marvel at the exclusive procedurally generated planets , these explore yourself and take a look at technology and design.
Hardly any other crowdfunding project provides similar vortex as the ambitious space adventure Star Citizen of the Wing-Commander-inventor Chris Roberts. While fans support the mammoth project financially, either through direct payments or purchases of often expensive and sometimes exclusive ships, also sharply criticized Star Citizen is heard. This criticism relates not only to the game itself, its financing and expensive (temporal) Exclusive content but also on constantly enhanced development goals, the more monstrous acting scope and apparently rather insidiously progressive development. Of course, a healthy dose of criticism is basically always justified and traceable in many cases; Content for a fee, for example, a subject that is often associated with a bad aftertaste - especially when it comes to balance-endangering contents and these also turn out very expensive. How about spaceships, which often cost several hundred euros and can afford therefore only well-heeled fans. On the other hand, the ongoing development of these additional revenues will be co-financed, solely on the financial resources obtained by Backer would not be sufficient. Where we once again arrive in the development, their current status and our visit to the new Studio Foundry 42nd If you are the English speakers: In this good half-hour interview Chris Roberts is very detailed question and answer.
The new and pleasantly light and airy furnished studio is located in the Foundry 42 also fledgling European quarter in Frankfurt. Currently there are around 40 employees, in particular engine speciallists, programmers and designers are well represented and not a few have been able to gain experience with the Cryengine, not infrequently in previous jobs at Crytek itself. For example, the studio manager Brain Chambers, formerly at Crytek for Ryse: Son of Rome served as Senior Producer. This takes us to receive leads us through the studio and presents us with an employee. Chris Roberts is also there, he sits at the Engine programmers, a cookie that suits him very loudly Brian. Apparently the space guru engaged also happy with deeper aspects of the graphics engine and uses now and then times when debugging a supportive. After our tour we meet Chris and his brother Erin Roberts, with Privateer also could have plenty collect space experience, the meeting room in front of a large display, is already running a current version of Star Citizen. And although we certainly can not calm all critical voices - and this does not even want to - one is us quickly certain: the development of Star Citizen goes ahead and will make in the near future for Backer clearly visible and noticeable jump. The first editors, we must live a marvel of procedurally generated planets and these also explore itself.


Star Citizen - The technology behind the planet procedurally generated


Unlike with No Man's Sky, which also relies on procedurally generated content, the planet in Star Citizen are not completely random, but are created by a predetermined algorithm. A planet is thus generated repeatedly in the same way and thus does not differ at each visit and from player to player. The procedural aspect of Star Citizen is therefore consistent and serves only as a tool for creating worlds, which can be handled by designers and influenced by man. The differences in the use of procedural techniques can be compared for example with Diablo and Skyrim: The former relies on randomly generated content, which differ from time to time, the designers took advantage in the latter synthetically generated content around the vast world at all in a realistic for development to be able to fill out time frames. Here Skyrim is not purely determined by chance, but finally, was provided with details and enlivened by the designers themselves, adapted by which the world according to their wishes - so similar to the procedural aspect will work in Star Citizen.
The fact that this part works at all, we get amply demonstrated during our visit. The presentation begins in space, we float with an Aegis Hunter in weightlessness. Some 1,000 kilometers from our ship pulls the rocky planet Delamar his tracks by weightlessness. The right side is shrouded in darkness, the left lets the sun shine the atmosphere bluish, small asteroids whizzing by gravity caught around. As the engines awaken and accelerate the Aegis Hunter, the first mountain peaks from the volumetric clouds begin to peel, overcast remain the valleys, the light from the star slowly faded behind the veil of atmosphere. During the approach the Cryengine shoveling resistant to the necessary for Landscapes polygons, we observe some pop-ups, but it is very impressive how smooth the descent towards vonstattengeht planet surface. Built in the presentation computer Nvidia GTX 980 delivers decent frame rates to 45 fps, while we admire the barren, but highly detailed surface of Delamar. There is no artificial limit visibility, only the already in this early version working fine level of detail system limited unobtrusive level of detail. While we slide deeper, we can still make out the slight curvature of the planet on the horizon, distant mountains are in the haze of volumetric atmospheres representation. After the ship has landed and the pilot left the cockpit, our eyes on the ground consisting of dozens of high-resolution textures, closer hill obtained by Tessellation their rounded curves, dimensional looking Parallax Occlusion Maps lend rubble credible three-dimensionality. The wow factor should not be underestimated despite the stony wasteland of the planet!

Star Citizen - Full developer control despite synthetic content


After we have even abated us after the presentation for a while with the mouse and keyboard on the surface and the atmosphere of Delamar, we get demonstrates how the planet once created can be adapted by the editor by a designer. The developer creates the highly customized editor so-called "eco-systems", which can contain all elements such as oceans, land mass, trees, rocks, lakes and even extraterrestrial animals. Of these, a large number per planet or satellite can be used and be like "painted" with a brush to the surfaces of celestial bodies. The Cryengine accepts the transition between the individual zones so that they can not stand each other unnatural by rough boundaries. In addition, the developer remains in control of every single element - it can adjust the scenery by hand and affect each and even the smallest element, add details or structures. This is demonstrated to us by way of fast erstelltem by brush palm grove, which weighs lauschig within a few minutes ago an alien ocean in the wind. By means of a few clicks new elements, other trees, bushes or stones can be added. This can be collected over a larger area happen every tree, shrub or rock can also be moved by hand developers, rotated, resized or removed individually or together. All this is very efficient and easy to use, although it would of course always very still take a long time to fill an entire planet's surface in this way - for the actual development of the designer should probably rather a larger scale and a higher procedural content to create select content for planetary surfaces and make manual adjustments only selectively. Even away from the planet, there is still much to do for the developer.


Star Citizen - subsumption AI for NPCs believable


In addition to the procedural planet representation we could also look at a number of other developments, consult designers and programmers and are guided by their enthusiasm to work on a project like Star Citizen, infected - because so much was all the critics assured: Virtually every employee, we could interview, insisted authentic and individually the pleasure to participate in Star Citizen and technically to go out all the stops. For example, Francesco Roccucci, senior AI developer who tried visibly impressed bring us closer to the development of Star Citizen subsumption AI.
Approximately 90 percent of the population in Star Citizen will make NPCs, not only showing a complex, credible behavior but also act independently and to react to external influences. They are also any activity that a player can perform, and can do themselves. Thanks subsumption-AI that comes in a similar form in reality and in the programming of robots for use, NPCs are also able to create missions for players. For example, if they are stranded on a planet and need rescue. NPCs also have a daily routine and even hobbies. They also have a reminder. Non-player characters are so responsive to individual players differently depending on how they have behaved in the past. Thus the Star Citizen universe is not paralyzed by AI calculation, this scale over distance - so the routines in the vicinity of the player are updated, for example, 60 Hz; is not a player in the area, this happens only about once per second.
PBR materials are also an important part in the creation of 3D models. Weapons designer Tobias Wanke is working on a made of incredible 65,000 polygons shoulder weapon for ship defense, while he demonstrated us how a physics-based rendering approach affects the development. Materials behave physically correct when exposed to light and therefore act on the human eye credible. Unlike the classic texturing, are "stuck" at the surface with a pixel wallpaper, a designer thanks PBR can for a particular object or a part of a model to assign a particular material (for example, iron, copper, wood or leather). This defined physical properties such as the coloring and determines whether is scattered, reflected or absorbed incident light. Plastic thus looks dull when exposed to light, matt varnish scatters the light diffusely. But even scratches in the latter can be implemented so believable, is located below the color metal shines at these sites therefore realistic.
In Star Citizen damage can be added continuously and appear at locations where they would occur in real life, typically, for example in the magazine holder or the safety lever of a machine gun, for example, when the weapons models. For more authenticity, the generally very high polygon density makes in Star Citizen. More complex models of weapons, such as a be located at the time of our visit to work shoulder weapon for ship defense, consisting of over 60,000 triangles. For Relation: One of the very detailed main characters in The Witcher 3 is composed of about 40,000 polygons. For the smallest details such as small screws or writing in which polygons were too inefficient a complex 3D model is not created, and then generates from this a parallax map. This is finally applied by designers at the appropriate place, thus ensuring visual depth with subtleties, without the number of polygons to drift to astronomical heights.
And the "new" images with the article:
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Star-...dio-Preview-1204131/galerie/2619089/?fullsize
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/commoncfm/comparison/clickSwitch.cfm?id=134211 (You turn on/off Tessellation)

And the gallery with all the images:
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Star-...cials/Studio-Preview-1204131/galerie/2620852/

Not exactly news by now but a interesting read nonetheless, thanks.

And congrats on refunds everyone.
 
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Same here Ian. Very reticent now about kick starting, crowd funding whatever after this with SC and to a lesser extent experience with ED. It boils down to what is put forward by the devs and what is received and over what time frame. Both SC and ED detailed much and you know what they may well deliver but I can't be left wondering when after years of backing whether it delivers or not.

If you are after blowing a very small portion of the refund on a great game I cant recommend alien isolation enough, it's currently on sale 66% off on steam.

I recommend robust underwear.

If you are a fan of the movies (1&2 ignore the rest) get crew expandable DLC (£2.50) and play the original film from just after Cains death.
 
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Got that one already. Very good game that captures the film well.

I think my next purchase will be the next deus ex which releases on the 23rd.
 
It's all good though. More and more Space Games, when we've been without them for decades. Hopefully we'll get even more!

Saying one is better or worse than another is pretty meaningless. The thing that matters is which ones actually get released in a playable state, and those which remain vapourware forever.

Agreed here, and yes Meow I see now what you meant about what is meant by 'good'
 
Refund received! $305 back.

Wasn't too painful had a bit of over and back stating the usual grievances, evidences and holes in ToS dates but overall not too much of an epic.

Ultimately I'm sad to have felt this was necessary and way back in 2012 this project got me back into space gaming, leading to backing ED, buying NMS etc. Just hope it does come together and releases something worth playing in the not too distant future. Just no way I could justify $305 for something that is going to be a massive work in progress and labelled as MVP.

If it ever becomes in a released playable form, just buy the game again. No big deal.
And congrats!

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Again with this bullcrap. They really need to understand what they are criticising before they criticise it.

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Congratulations.
Why they choose to bicker in the first place beats me, they should just honour the request and part on good terms. Rather than the guilt-tripping, justification and denial process they go through.

It only shows very clearly that they have absolutely no clue of what they are talking about, they just open their mouth, and out comes procedural generated words.
 
If it ever becomes in a released playable form, just buy the game again. No big deal.
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It only shows very clearly that they have absolutely no clue of what they are talking about, they just open their mouth, and out comes procedural generated words.

I know. In the second letter from them the guy I dealt with had the utter temerity to suggest to me that they are "very nearly over the line to completion". I was polite in my reply but made it clear that I was following the project closely and it was in point of fact a long way from any line at all with the word completion in it.
 
I know. In the second letter from them the guy I dealt with had the utter temerity to suggest to me that they are "very nearly over the line to completion". I was polite in my reply but made it clear that I was following the project closely and it was in point of fact a long way from any line at all with the word completion in it.

Interesting how a game manages to simultaneously be "very nearly over the line to completion" and early alpha at the same time. Maybe it has something to do with Heisenberg's uncertainty principle? Or maybe the people on this thread who claim it is early alpha have simply got it wrong, and as far as CIG are concerned it is almost done...
 
Interesting how a game manages to simultaneously be "very nearly over the line to completion" and early alpha at the same time. Maybe it has something to do with Heisenberg's uncertainty principle? Or maybe the people on this thread who claim it is early alpha have simply got it wrong, and as far as CIG are concerned it is almost done...

Precisely mate. I think reading that made my mind up more than ever before. If they truly believe that it's nearly done then God help it. If they were just saying it to try keep on board then it made me like they trying to punk me. Either way silly thing to say.
 
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