Excellent point on 3) there. rep if I can
UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn
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Excellent point on 3) there. rep if I can
On 3): If the signal contained a timestamp [of some kind], that would enable the receiving station to calculate the distance.
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Thank you for clarifying this. Your wording just raised a simple question for me:
Can we encounter them already in the live build? Oo
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I'd rather hear about them first from a shrieking CMDR with their pants on fire. It'll be more fun.
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Also, there isn't going to be anywhere you can hide
Here are some tiny progress for wail 4 :
From the recordings I have, it seems that some part of the wail4 block is invariant :
KC-U B3-1 8 :
135 / 588.371
82 / 50.312
136 / 0.227
RO-Q B5-0 7 :
135 / 1233.069
82 / 68.12
136 / 0.337
Also, 0.227 / 0.337 = 0.673[6] ~ 1.5412 / 2.2952 = 0.671[5] (ratio of the planets masses)
For some reason I don't quite like this ratio thing since it redundant info (UP alread sends gravity and radius => mass is known)
From the recordings I have, it seems that some part of the wail4 block is invariant :
KC-U B3-1 8 :
135 / 588.371
82 / 50.312
136 / 0.227
RO-Q B5-0 7 :
135 / 1233.069
82 / 68.12
136 / 0.337
Also, 0.227 / 0.337 = 0.673[6] ~ 1.5412 / 2.2952 = 0.671[5] (ratio of the planets masses)
For some reason I don't quite like this ratio thing since it redundant info (UP alread sends gravity and radius => mass is known)
I have read the FP and as much as I can find everywhere here, but I just want to confirm a couple of things that are a little unclear to me, please correct me if I am wrong:
1. A UP was originally found next to an Ammonia planetary body. It was 'honked', and then gave a response, which was recorded, and the output was analyzed using spectrum analyzer and gave that cool globe/map and alien symbols visuals.
2. The audio was further analyzed and contained essentially 5 different tracks; the first unknown; the next three likely to be temperature, gravity and diameter (radius) of a known planet; the 5th (wail 4) - 6 unique integers/floating point integers, still unknown what they represent.
3. Some more UPs start to be found (how many are documented so far?), taken for testing, or simply 'honked' also, and have responded with "similar" messages, only differing in the 5th track (wail 4) .
4. There are so far 7 systems that the UP has been taken to/found in, honked, and then the response recorded. And each of these responses been different, dependent on the system it is tested in.
5. the response is the same for each system no matter what UP you haul there and test.
I have been researching coordinates theories all day and I am pretty sure the 5th are coordinates of some sort, or a combination of location and distance. There are a number of ways to map objects in space, and using three sets of two numbers is not unusual.
I have not collated much at all yet, as I am still following several methods.
Thanks for any details you can provide, and sorry if you are having to repeat this.
1. A UP was originally found next to an Ammonia planetary body. It was 'honked', and then gave a response, which was recorded, and the output was analyzed using spectrum analyzer and gave that cool globe/map and alien symbols visuals.
2. The audio was further analyzed and contained essentially 5 different tracks; the first unknown; the next three likely to be temperature, gravity and diameter (radius) of a known planet; the 5th (wail 4) - 6 unique integers/floating point integers, still unknown what they represent.
3. Some more UPs start to be found (how many are documented so far?), taken for testing, or simply 'honked' also, and have responded with "similar" messages, only differing in the 5th track (wail 4) .
4. There are so far 7 systems that the UP has been taken to/found in, honked, and then the response recorded. And each of these responses been different, dependent on the system it is tested in.
5. the response is the same for each system no matter what UP you haul there and test.
I have been researching coordinates theories all day and I am pretty sure the 5th are coordinates of some sort, or a combination of location and distance. There are a number of ways to map objects in space, and using three sets of two numbers is not unusual.
I have not collated much at all yet, as I am still following several methods.
Thanks for any details you can provide, and sorry if you are having to repeat this.
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Yup, and whenever it's time to roll, you never ever get zero.
There's a place in games for random encounters and whether or not they appear but major storylines is not it.
Either there are probes around a planet or there aren't. Instead of that we have this probablistic Schrodinger's quantum probe .
Now that I know it's there, I'll hang around until I get lucky, but the point is how do FD expect people to find these things when we aren't sure if they are present or not. Just hang around every planet for 10 minutes, 30 minutes, 1 hour, 1 day? How long is long enough to admit that this is not engaging gameplay.
Sorry to go on about it, but this infutiates me more than anything else in the game and FD know it's because they already addressed it in the mission system.
Michael Brookes
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No this is a 2.2 thing. There is something coming before then though - the hunt on the 28th might be more interesting than you think
Michael
did you even bother to read my post #9750 on page 650 and following ? with Group6 U maybe onto something, that would imply that PLEIADES SECTOR IR-W D1-55 6 with factor 14,25 is a quite large objekt, should be verifyable quickly.
I also wouldn't take my Alliance comments seriously - I just love poking fun at them. They act too good to be true
Michael
No worries, we're able to defend the Alliance when it comes to roleplay.
Now Michael, we've been down this road before you and I. Do you have any idea how many innocent Alliance families were torn from their beds overnight by hordes of rampaging sciencers looking for clues?I also wouldn't take my Alliance comments seriously - I just love poking fun at them. They act too good to be true
Michael
No and no.
The first UPs were found in military convoys and had to be stolen with hatchbreakers. These convoys were very rare, and very hard to steal a probe from, so supplies were very low. The difficulty of obtaining UPs hindered testing. Recently, ilo found a free-floating UP near the ammonia worlds and others rapidly confirmed, so there's now an easier supply. There's lots more to this bit of the story, I'm just summarising. Point is first UPs were not ammonia worlds - that's a recent thing.
The UP signal (the one you ntercept by getting between it and Merope) is different at every planet, and in every wail. Wails 1-3 seem with a high degree of certainty to encode the nearest body radius, mass, gravity as ratios of Merope 5c. 4th - best guesses are coordinates of some sort, but haven't been convincingly decoded.
Wail4 code broken !
The numbers in the first column must be read a bit differently (starting in octal) :
(They are same for both KC-U B3-1 8 and RO-Q B5-0 7)
2 07 (oct) => 2 x 07 (dec) => N2
1 22 (oct) => 1 x 18 (dec) => Ar
2 10 (oct) => 2 x 08 (dec) => O2
The second column of number are the partial pressures :
KC-U B3-1 8 :
588.371 ; 50.312 ; 0.227
Partial pressures : 284.13 (N2) ; 24.37 (Ar) ; ??? (O2)
RO-Q B5-0 7 :
1233.069 ; 68.12 ; 0.337
Partial pressures : 595.87 (N2) ; 32.72 (Ar) ; ??? (O2)
Ratios KC-U B3-1 8 / RO-Q B5-0 7
0.477 ; 0.739 ; 0.674
Partial pressures : 0.477 ; 0.744 ; ???
The Argon ratio is not quite perfect, but the N2 is, also considering how well it explains wail4
I bet it's right. Test : check the UP near a planet with an atmosphere of different composition.
As a bonus we now know the pressure of the thargoid world :
since 588.371 is 284.13 atm, it means that 1 atm = 2.071 Tatm (thargoid atm XD)
The numbers in the first column must be read a bit differently (starting in octal) :
(They are same for both KC-U B3-1 8 and RO-Q B5-0 7)
2 07 (oct) => 2 x 07 (dec) => N2
1 22 (oct) => 1 x 18 (dec) => Ar
2 10 (oct) => 2 x 08 (dec) => O2
The second column of number are the partial pressures :
KC-U B3-1 8 :
588.371 ; 50.312 ; 0.227
Partial pressures : 284.13 (N2) ; 24.37 (Ar) ; ??? (O2)
RO-Q B5-0 7 :
1233.069 ; 68.12 ; 0.337
Partial pressures : 595.87 (N2) ; 32.72 (Ar) ; ??? (O2)
Ratios KC-U B3-1 8 / RO-Q B5-0 7
0.477 ; 0.739 ; 0.674
Partial pressures : 0.477 ; 0.744 ; ???
The Argon ratio is not quite perfect, but the N2 is, also considering how well it explains wail4
I bet it's right. Test : check the UP near a planet with an atmosphere of different composition.
As a bonus we now know the pressure of the thargoid world :
since 588.371 is 284.13 atm, it means that 1 atm = 2.071 Tatm (thargoid atm XD)
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Can't rep so.. Awesome!
No this is a 2.2 thing. There is something coming before then though - the hunt on the 28th might be more interesting than you think
Michael
Thank you again Michael for clarifying and especially for taking your time to stay in touch with us even during Gamescom! Awesome!
Thank you for clarifying, I totally understand now.
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Well done, mate. That is so cool!
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Well done, mate. That is so cool!
Michael Brookes
Game Director
You, Sir, are a steely-eyed aviator. BZ!
It's not quite pressures is it? It's actually just the total mass of the top 3 elements in the atmosphere... Confirmed by calculating the percentage each mass makes up of the three:
These seem to match up pretty damn well with the body details in the system map.
So, it's just the first part of the data to work out now. Theories so far:
We also need to work out precisely WHY the UP is transmitting this information and WHAT it is looking for. Good data to get next:
| System | Body | Num + Element | % of atmo | Num + Element | % of atmo | Num + Element | % of atmo |
| Pleiades sector RO-Q B5-0 | 6 | 2 x 7 | 95.25% | 1 x 18 | 4.71% | 1 x 4 | 0.04% |
| Pleiades sector RO-Q B5-0 | 7 | 2 x 7 | 94.74% | 1 x 18 | 5.23% | 2 x 8 | 0.03% |
| Pleiades Sector KC-U B3-1 | 8 | 2 x 7 | 92.09% | 1 x 18 | 7.87% | 2 x 8 | 0.04% |
| PLEIADES SECTOR IR-W D1-55 | 6 | 2 x 7 | 86.75% | 1 x 18 | 12.95% | 1 x 2 | 0.30% |
These seem to match up pretty damn well with the body details in the system map.
So, it's just the first part of the data to work out now. Theories so far:
- Proportional distance from Sol compared to Merope (doesn't sound right)
- Proportional distance from another important system
- Health of the UP
We also need to work out precisely WHY the UP is transmitting this information and WHAT it is looking for. Good data to get next:
- UP transmission from a body with a very different atmosphere to the ones so far
- UP transmission from a body without atmosphere
- UP transmission from Merope 5 C (does it still transmit when near 5 C?)
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