I see it as a tightly controlled mock up rather than a true representation of what they can deliver in the forseeable future with the incorporation of total player freedom and multiplayer elements. That's not being honest and as it's to bring in more revenue or ship sales which were conveniently advertised as well, it has to be called a bit of a diddle. More cynical people would call it a scam I suppose, I think it's a little bit going towards that but I can't compare it with the previous demos as I haven't seen them to say if this one was worse or not.
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I see it as a tightly controlled mock up rather than a true representation of what they can deliver in the forseeable future with the incorporation of total player freedom and multiplayer elements. That's not being honest and as it's to bring in more revenue or ship sales which were conveniently advertised as well, it has to be called a bit of a diddle. More cynical people would call it a scam I suppose, I think it's a little bit going towards that but I can't compare it with the previous demos as I haven't seen them to say if this one was worse or not.
http://www.dualshockers.com/2016/08...-new-demo-showing-planetary-landing-and-more/
The good question is... what things?
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By the time that SC brings all this stuff in the personal computer of the backers, in a FINISHED and WORKING status, ED will have already released 5 to 10 new seasons of big features. I bet, walking around bases, ships, planets, etc. They just do not reveal upfront because they are not idiots. They are not trying to hype anyone to buy Jpegs. They are doing serious business and serious long term game development. Not a church. Not a circus of clowns.
Mass Effect Andromeda will be releasing a third chapter, so as CoD. So as NMS will be a lot more advanced. And there is more big stuff coming from others that I know, due contacts that I still have in the industry, but cant reveal.
All this SC reveal have the unique and only purpose of hype to sell JPEGs now. Its a circus. If they really cared with their company and the future of the game, they never would bring what they brought so earlier or in pre-alpha rushed status. They always will be the "get stale" project for as long as the joke continues due the insanity of the game industry. They always will be behind and selling the dream through continuous prototyping while others deliver actual and realistically maintainable games, fitting to what the market demand in an acceptable time frame after things announced/hyped/delivered and without leading people to insane/crazy investiments.
Roberts and co. are cashing personally, a lot more this way at this point, so, yeah, screw that if the company, the game, the genre, be destroyed in the medium/log term if it depended only on them. We are luck that it does not depend on them. They are just making money for as long as possible and at this point, only from a very tiny group and a few eventual new victims.
Hey. Who I am trying to deceive here. Star Citizen in a working and finished status? Not happening.
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The fact that this "demo" has not been allowed to be played by the press or the general public is to me an indication its not all it appears to be me. What fascinated me is the way in which there were so many nods to ED Horizons. eg planetscape, hyperspace equivalent, srv equivalent, mission board, even the ui is starting to look more like ED. I smiled when I saw two on planet vehicles - ED has only one.
The good thing is its hyped interest again which will keep the funding running and increase the possibility it will get made in some form.
The good thing is its hyped interest again which will keep the funding running and increase the possibility it will get made in some form.
A dedicated hate reddit about a person seems like the most rational place to find reliable information about the notoriety and trustworthiness of said person.
Yeah, that was one thing that bothered me with the press-screening reports: they all seemed very eager to say that they could have been given a more dynamic presentation, but that they weren't. Why? Were they not curious? Were they not allowed? One of them (I'd have to dig around to find which one it was) even mentions them showing off stuff that, in the public presentation, were played off as off-the-cuff tomfoolery by the players. It doesn't seem very genuine to have supposedly ad-libbed acts be part of the script…
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It's a demo, titled as a demo, if people think more into it than what they can actually see in the demo it's up to them. Last year they presented the early state of the PU in a similar manner and managed to release it by the end of last year, not sure if they're going to be able to do the same this time as the slides contained lots of implications on the vast scope of slated 3.0
I'm impressed with the detail they're putting into it, you can tell that everything is still rough but seems to be shaping up pretty good.
That is more glaring then anything it looks more like he still runs after ED, the UI in SC was cluttered and absolut horrendous, so its a plus they did go to a more simplisitc important stuff HUD...but that they had to copy EDs UI is just sad.
The funny thing is how CR is boasting always louder, bad mouths the competions i cant even listen to that guy anymore...he absolutly disgust me at this point.
Now they made a video and trying to show how much better they can make PG and planetary landing...or driving on planets, and how much more vehicles they got...its just g sad...he lost his vision completely...
I doubt it was a live gameplay..it was recorded and acted out. I didnt doubt CR that he would pull such a stunt, but i saw enough of that to know that its just wishfull thinking.
Nah i like ED humble way much more, atleast they get stuff done, Mr. Braben knows what he wants the game to be in the end and doesnt go to deep into the fine details but keeps them open for adjustments... FD just does its own thing dont care much about the loud neighbor trying to show his overpriced new golf club...or super special lawnmower.
Atleast i dont need "Faith" in ED...just confidence that they can do it.
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Are there any examples of CR bad-mouthing the competition? I'm curious.
Bad mouthing may a bit over the stretch, but hes like to give some side punches, with stuff like "Not like game X, better then game X, we would never do it like game X but with more fidelity..." ect
He did drop in the word "seamless, with no loading screens (possiby wrong)" but for all anybody knows that might have been a transition to a small area with some procedural landscapes to give the illusion of a planet that you could roam around on. And he also dropped into the presentation that you could have a homestead or something as they had many millions of miles of real estate. Ok if you have proc gen with some tweaking in a single player game but for not for an instanced one, what if someone was attacking it in another instance for example.
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The bad-mouthing is an exaggeration, no sensible person would agree with that.
He had a dig at NMS and ED in his presentation.
Some people will deny it (and use Star Citizen logic), but it was most certainly a dig.
It was a great presentation of things to come sometime in the future.
So much attention to detailed hand-crafted stuff that will take aeons to properly populate the 100 systems we're apparently getting in game.
It'll be interesting to see in-game once they iron out networking.
I wonder when during development we'll be getting ways for earning ships in-game? Has there been any mention at all?
Yeah you could earn a paycheck on the side to buy the three new ships! Don't tell me how to spend my money! Look he grabbed a waterbottle! GIVE HIM LITTLE JOHNNY'S COLLEGE FUND! I gots to get my grabby hands on my wallet.
I love that he can promise seamless transitions and not mention the woefully bad networking that still isn't being factored (or indeed, refactored) in or how any of this will be instanced or workable in an online environment.
Take that, No Man's Sky. The Original Big Talker is here to show you how to under-deliver!
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You are right, bad wording on my part.
Can't really follow you on that. The demo was as seamless as it gets.
There's a solution to almost anything.
It's much classier to just do good work and congratulate the competition. Like he used to pretend to do. But c'mon, it's obvious what was motivating those comments. Right before it he said something about "all that talk" about No Man's Sky.
Pure jealousy. Of course, maybe he was just citing the perceived competition to his fan-only hooting audience in a completely non-derogatory way which is absolutely hilarious considering how much of ED is in 3.0. Magic Germans have the ability to play other space sims, apparently.
Pure jealousy. Of course, maybe he was just citing the perceived competition to his fan-only hooting audience in a completely non-derogatory way which is absolutely hilarious considering how much of ED is in 3.0. Magic Germans have the ability to play other space sims, apparently.
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The number / density of locations mentioned in the 3.0 blurb was 30?
I wonder if that will lead to some revisionism of "we don't need 100 different star systems with 2 locations each, when we can have 8 with 30 each..."
I wonder if that will lead to some revisionism of "we don't need 100 different star systems with 2 locations each, when we can have 8 with 30 each..."
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@IceGryphon It was seamless in the demo but is that going to be possible in multiplayer, the solution is that we're all in the future and we can all share a virtual world at the same time. But I can imagine people queuing up for landing at starports (same for Elite) and getting grumpy but I was thinking that is kind of like situations in real life anyway!
Even if he meant his ideas are superior then that's still a dig at the games he mentioned.
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