UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
Allant Doran said:
True, but it wasn't so rushed that it breaks the narrative for me.

As for SDC shooting first... maybe Thargoids are the answer to people's calls of ''Do something about SDC''. Introduce an NPC that will wipe SDC out time and time again, haha :D
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So they'll just move to Colonia and continue to make psychopathic mischief
 

Delta_Vee

Delta_Vee
cheesenbiscuits said:
Any chance of a recap of the story so far?
I'm a little late to the party,currently in apademak.
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Red T-9 showed up, got ganked by SDC, people managed to get in contact beforehand, said something about an M-Class Star and that his friend always lies.
Emergency CG popped up that led players to another system called Pic Tok.
Nothing happened, turned out the target was in another system (a sorta Red Herring, if you will)
Target in the Asp told us about a planet and a binary pulsar, said we'd get more info if we delivered tobacco to a station.
Station doesn't even have a black market and no CG available to hand it in.
Currently everyone is waiting until 21:00 for a Cobra to show up and give more info.

Correct me if I'm wrong at all! But that's all I can muster from the many many posts! :)
 
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Allant Doran

Allant Doran
rizal72 said:
A GUIDE TO AVOID BEING GANKED AND ENJOY INSTEAD - DO LIKE ME:

reach the closest Hi Tech system to Apademak (Teppanik in my case), leave your beloved ship there, and buy and equip a Torpedo Viper :)
Remember to equip C1 beam turrets and C2 Torpedoes. Then all A rated, except Sensors and Life Support (D). 3A Shield cells. Double Chaff. Around 200K Cr rebuy.

You'll enjoy flying around THEM with your beam turrets always firing, while you fly around, around and around, chaffing. When their shields eventually goes down, FIRE THE FOUR TORPEDOES.
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Gonna do this myself and see what happens lol
 

Luke3107

Luke3107
Pecisk said:
So you do ask questions which should cancel each other out?
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Easy explanation of what to ask.
One Door is Good(A) , One Door is Bad (B)
One person Lies, the other tells the Truth

You can ask ONE person, ONE question, so you ask either person
"What would the other person tell me to do?"

If you ask the Liar, the response will be:
"He will say go through door B" which is a lie because he would actually tell you to go through Door A.

If you asked the Truth teller, the response will be:
"He will tell you to go through Door B" which is the truth because the liar would indeed say to use the wrong door.
So either way you can establish Door B is the WRONG door and proceed through door A.

How does this help us? These sorts of logic puzzles generally allow at least one question to be asked, and even then, there's no guarantee we can ask a question, but IF we get the opportunity, EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE PREPARED to ask:

"Who would the other person tell me is the liar?" This leads to the same type of response as the Doors.

Of course, this only works if there is only 2 possible answers, so if all 3 contacts can be answers a different question must be asked. Can't remember what though...
 

Julio Montega

Julio Montega
Luke3107 said:
Easy explanation of what to ask.
One Door is Good(A) , One Door is Bad (B)
One person Lies, the other tells the Truth

You can ask ONE person, ONE question, so you ask either person
"What would the other person tell me to do?"

If you ask the Liar, the response will be:
"He will say go through door B" which is a lie because he would actually tell you to go through Door A.

If you asked the Truth teller, the response will be:
"He will tell you to go through Door B" which is the truth because the liar would indeed say to use the wrong door.
So either way you can establish Door B is the WRONG door and proceed through door A.

How does this help us? These sorts of logic puzzles generally allow at least one question to be asked, and even then, there's no guarantee we can ask a question, but IF we get the opportunity, EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE PREPARED to ask:

"Who would the other person tell me is the liar?" This leads to the same type of response as the Doors.

Of course, this only works if there is only 2 possible answers, so if all 3 contacts can be answers a different question must be asked. Can't remember what though...
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Why not simply disable themn lock on to the lifesupport and ask them:
"Do you want to die?!"

Worked in Journey Quest, will work on them too:D
 
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Grumtastic

Grumtastic
Infinity Eagle said:
got this shot just before the NPCs showed up and tried to kill me. Barely made it out
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh222/infinityeagle/pic tok 2_zpsn5kkhqoo.png
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Not wishing to burst bubbles etc, I found loads of these even before 2.1 came out. I even got a srv on top of one. There is usually a cache of goods in the middle between the buildings - always protected by skimmers and such like. :)

by way of example:

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Vinzent

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Pecisk said:
So you do ask questions which should cancel each other out?
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In the context of the riddle, you could only ask one question of one of them, knowing that one lies and one tells the truth.

To format the question in a way that would reveal where to seek you would ask "What location would the other guy say IS NOT the location that reveals your secret information"

The question needed creative wording so that it works in reference to a binary choice in the original puzzle. The question phrasing is intended to represent the choice in a binary choice:
The location you want | everywhere else.

In this case, If you ask the Truth-teller what the other (the liar) would say. He will give you the sought location. He will know that the Liar HAS to say the location that DOES reveal the secret information in order to lie. Since the truth teller knows exactly what the Liar will have to say, he has to relay the information on to you truthfully.

If you ask the Liar, however, depending on how he processes his counterpart's logic, you might not get the right information, or any information at all. The Liar will know that the truth teller will not say the location, since you ask for not-the-location. He's required to lie about what the truth teller will say, but he only has nebulous information regarding what he would actually say (unless he has insight into truth teller's exact response. If the requirement to lie to the best of his ability is maintained, and he doesn't know exactly what the truth teller will say, he will only know that the truth teller will not say the appropriate location. In order to uphold his requirement to lie, the only safe way to do it is by saying the truth teller would give you the location that DOES reveal the sought information. We can't count on it, though, if the Liar knows any other place that the truth teller would definitely not mention, he's only required to tell you a lie regarding what the truth teller would say, not regarding the answer to the question you would be hypothetically asking the truth teller.

Really, though, this does boil down to the nebulous nature of a lie when multiple choices exist- that's why in some versions even with a binary choice for the seeker, the tellers will only answer yes or no, and you must gain the information via a yes or no question : would the other door say that he is the path that leads me safely out.



Edit: I'll also leave this here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hardest_Logic_Puzzle_Ever
 
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