I combat logged a duck last night.

[Mohrgan]

Not at all actually, I defended my position properly, there's simply disagreements.

People that disagree with you aren't "automatically wrong," fyi.

Edit:

Actually, what is my agenda?

Having functional multiplayer game play?

That sounds about right .-.

No, but someone saying something doesn't make it so either. You recently posted what Sandro considers Combat Logging. It was referred to as an 'ungraceful exit', there was no mention of the timed exit being an exploit.

As to the "Response", I will again point out the the very first line from the CS guy was "At the current time FD do consider the 15 log out to be legitimate, yes." He/she then goes on to say you have a good point, and should bring it up to the Dev's. Why do you suppose she/he suggests you bring it up to the Dev's, if he has the authority to strike what the Dev's say, and make new policy?

Because he/she can't do that. How did your suggestion make out with the "Suggestion" thread you created? Did the Dev team respond at all? My complaint isn't necessarily about the concept you bring up but, it's about how you hold this polite response out to be FD's last words on the matter. That is wholly deceitful.

 

[GluttonyFang]

1.
LOL.
I am fairly Sure its not Intended to be used for Escaping.
But see Mate. Open is not Intended for Anacondas to be Griefing Sidewinders either

Okay then...

Thing is. "Not Intended" And "Prohibited" is two different things
Thats why you wont be Banned for being a Griefer and Seal Clubber

There is no way to prohibit a person from shutting down their PC or internet, that's why punishment follows.

If you're talking about a genuine griefer, then of course actions will be taken. Seal clubber on the other hand is just bad sportsmanship.

2.
Go ahead.
See Mate. No Offense. But someone who Proudly Threatens People for Voicing their Opinion in the Forum. Should not Expect that others are Nice to them.

... Threaten people?

I'm not the one who brings personal statements that has no relevance into this discussion, and if you refrain from doing so, I have no reason to remind you that you're doing it.

3.
Chass, Mines, Boosts and Changing Direction.
All of these Actions will Reduce the Damage you Take considerably. And none of them are Possible during the Delay.
But even if we assume that its the same as High Wake. That would still mean that for you the guy is gone

You either didn't read what I wrote or pretend that you didn't.

4.
Players also dont get Compensated for Griefers abusing Open to Seal Club
And well guess what. It happens.

Because I have a feeling what you think "griefers" are aren't griefers whatsoever.

5.
Thanks for the Link.
Because it does already make your Earlier Statements Wrong

"
For clarity’s sake, “combat logging” is when a Commander ungracefully exits the game (e.g. using ALT + F4 then shutting down the game process) to avoid defeat, destruction and damage.
"

As you can see. Using the Ingame Logout Function. IS NOT Combat Logging

... So you didn't read what I wrote, at no point did I say menu log is combat log...

6.
Well guess what I cant lol.
To Answer the Phone I would need to leave the Room.
Which means I would need to leave the Computer.
This would mean that even if I activated the High Wake. I would Crash into the Sun afterwards and then continue Full Speed towards the Sun in normal Space while not knowing when I return.
Worse if its something I cant just leave alone after answering. I would be easy prey afterwards cause I might end up drifting there for an hour or longer
You got a Problem with that ? Well. Your Problem I guess *gg*

I think if anything you described would be "your problem" not the player interacting with you at that point. And it gives even more ground for the player being logged on to be compensated, because you are the one who had an emergency, not the player affected by you.

7.
Actually I think you were asked this a few Times already.
But mind Linking this "Statement of FD" Because I never saw it.
And just like the other Announcement. I get the Feeling that your just Interpreting something to your liking without FD actually ever having said anything remotely in the meaning you want to claim there

And another one that doesn't read.

Also. Once more. Not Intended for this Use. And Prohibited to be Used for this. Are two Different things

You can't prohibit someone from logging .-.

Not sure where you are getting confused.

8.
Thats your Problem. FD has Decided to Implement it in this way. This might or might not Change.
However until it is Changed. It is and stays no Violation of Rules to use Logout during Combat.

You are confirming that you either are confused or you are not reading what I'm writing. At no point did I claim that there is a violation of any regulation to log out during combat, but there are exceptions that make it an exploit.

9.
And I repeat. Go ahead.
I am not going to make up Lies.

As I told you there. People like you which consider other Players "Content" and thus Hunt and Kill People which stand no Chance in the First Place for no Reason and no Gain aside from this Person feeling Grief about the Event.
And going as far as threatening to kill People on sight simply for sharing their Opinion on the Forum.
IS the Reason why hardly anyone wants to Play Open. Feel Free to Report me for saying this. But I am not going to change that Statements meaning in the slightest.

Now that you substantiated your argument instead of just throwing in an inflammatory personal commentary/one liner, it's just an opinion.

Edit:

Now that I also know you are falsely accusing me, I'm going to ignore your commentary on that front since your definition of the kind of player you are describing has no relevance to me.

And Mate no Offense to ya.

But your own Picture.

http://i.imgur.com/PblCY9n.png?1

What he Told you in a Nutshell.

1.
Its not the Intended use to escape Piracy. BUT it is considered to be Legitimate.

It is legitimate until it is used for avoiding piracy and bounty hunting, the sequencing of the two sentences makes it obvious that there is a broad proposition then a modifier.

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No, but someone saying something doesn't make it so either. You recently posted what Sandro considers Combat Logging. It was referred to as an 'ungraceful exit', there was no mention of the timed exit being an exploit.

As to the "Response", I will again point out the the very first line from the CS guy was "At the current time FD do consider the 15 log out to be legitimate, yes." He/she then goes on to say you have a good point, and should bring it up to the Dev's. Why do you suppose she/he suggests you bring it up to the Dev's, if he has the authority to strike what the Dev's say, and make new policy?

Because he/she can't do that. How did your suggestion make out with the "Suggestion" thread you created? Did the Dev team respond at all? My complaint isn't necessarily about the concept you bring up but, it's about how you hold this polite response out to be FD's last words on the matter. That is wholly deceitful.

What I don't understand is that why a proposition followed by a modifier is so difficult to understand.

The support clarified on what Sandro placed as a broad statement, and now we're all waiting for FDev to clarify on the matter to make it less confusing.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

It is legitimate until it is used for avoiding piracy and bounty hunting, the sequencing of the two sentences makes it obvious that there is a broad proposition then a modifier.

In no way does it make it obvious.

It is legitimate, but not intended to negate piracy, is all you can read from that. You cannot draw the conclusion it is legitimate until ....

The sentence tells you making use of menu log is an exploit. An exploit can be legitimate.

 

[GluttonyFang]

In no way does it make it obvious.

It is legitimate, but not intended to negate piracy, is all you can read from that. You cannot draw the conclusion it is legitimate until ....

The sentence tells you making use of menu log is an exploit. An exploit can be legitimate.

That's the point that FD needs to clarify, is that exploit legitimate or not.

 

[Mohrgan]

What I don't understand is that why a proposition followed by a modifier is so difficult to understand.

The support clarified on what Sandro placed as a broad statement, and now we're all waiting for FDev to clarify on the matter to make it less confusing.

The sentence is understood completely. Some take it at face value; The timer is legitimate, and it's implementation isn't intended to nullify anything. Others look to make more out of it; Since it's not intended to nullify, when it's used on a pirate/BH it's an exploit. This simply doesn't follow.

I suggest you do wait for a response from FD. That is exactly what the CS person indicated. Go ask the Dev's. I too believe you may have a point on this subject but, pressing that CS item as some kind of guide is beyond the pale. Just to be clear, I think you have a point worth discussing. Not that the Timed Exit is an exploit. or that it definitely needs changing.

 

[Sunleader]

That's the point that FD needs to clarify, is that exploit legitimate or not.

They did.
And they Told you in your Own Support Answer.

That using Logout with the 15 Second Delay is considered Legitimate.


You are Free to make a Suggestion to have this Changed.
But that doesnt mean its against the Rules.
It not being Intended for Escaping. But its not against the Rules to use it for this.
At least not yet. And your own Support Ticket makes clear that using Logout under any Circumstances is Legit.

 

[GluttonyFang]

The sentence is understood completely. Some take it at face value; The timer is legitimate, and it's implementation isn't intended to nullify anything. Others look to make more out of it; Since it's not intended to nullify, when it's used on a pirate/BH it's an exploit. This simply doesn't follow.

I suggest you do wait for a response from FD. That is exactly what the CS person indicated. Go ask the Dev's. I too believe you may have a point on this subject but, pressing that CS item as some kind of guide is beyond the pale. Just to be clear, I think you have a point worth discussing. Not that the Timed Exit is an exploit. or that it definitely needs changing.

I think I might have to open another thread on the subject in the suggestion forum.

But then I've said this before, we disagree on the interpretation of the FD support answer.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

That's the point that FD needs to clarify, is that exploit legitimate or not.

I think they have called the graceful exit, as they call it, legitimate. It's point just is not to negate piracy. That would be a possible unintended consequence.

Making a distinction between exiting during a Bounty Hunt, an act of Piracy or another form of encounter means including the interdictor's intentions in the determining process. That is going to be one hell of a process.

 

[GluttonyFang]

They did.
And they Told you in your Own Support Answer.

That using Logout with the 15 Second Delay is considered Legitimate.


You are Free to make a Suggestion to have this Changed.
But that doesnt mean its against the Rules.
It not being Intended for Escaping. But its not against the Rules to use it for this.
At least not yet. And your own Support Ticket makes clear that using Logout under any Circumstances is Legit.

And you ignored what I wrote again, how surprising.

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I think they have called the graceful exit, as they call it, legitimate. It's point just is not to negate piracy. That would be a possible unintended consequence.

Making a distinction between exiting during a Bounty Hunt, an act of Piracy or another form of encounter means including the interdictor's intentions in the determining process. That is going to be one hell of a process.

I don't think there is evidence to call menu log legitimate under those circumstances, and it can certainly be fixed by changing the menu log timer and the way it behaves instead of making support sit through all the logs.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

*goes back to Solo & have fun in a mature manner*

This thread is funny!

 

[Marcns007]

The time out is for people that have a life or possibly not a life.
Every time ( playing in Mobius) that I have an event, requiring 100% brain capacity I am required by senior management to go do something, answer phone, door, put bins out etc.
I just hit log out and leave it counting then go do what I need to do.
The alternative is to have an an argument when you are being shot at from all directions.

This is why we have the time out

LIFE gets in the way

 

[Mohrgan]

I don't think there is evidence to call menu log legitimate under those circumstances, and it can certainly be fixed by changing the menu log timer and the way it behaves instead of making support sit through all the logs.

The evidence is: the Timed Exit's inclusion in the game, the fact that it's not included in what FD considers as a combat log, and that your response even reminds us that the Timed Exit is legitimate.

You are conflating your legalese with FD's position. Point out your opinion but, leave out the unsupported part about FD agreeing with you.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I don't think there is evidence to call menu log legitimate under those circumstances, and it can certainly be fixed by changing the menu log timer and the way it behaves instead of making support sit through all the logs.

FD stated menu logging is legitimate.

You are asking them to reconsider in light of piracy. Until they do, it is legitimate.

 

[GJ51]

Menu log is legitimate as long as it's not done to avoid piracy and bounty hunting.

Menu log is different than a high wake for that high wake has counters and is an in-game mechanic where as menu log does not have counters nor is it an in-game mechanic. Not to mention players affected by menu log doesn't get notified that they are being menu logged upon.

Piracy simply cannot be done in 15 seconds, and bounty hunting cannot be done either unless the logger's in a Sidewinder or some vulnerable ship.

Thank Goodness we have you to turn to as the judge of legitimacy.

Where would be without??

The whole thread is a moot point unless or until there is any evidence that FD will ever do anything to any CMDR behavior on this regard.

Pure foolishness.

At this point - it just doesn't matter what anyone "thinks" - it's up to FD to decide when or if any corrective actions and sanctions are appropriate. So far there isn't any evidence of that, which is why everyone has FD's tacit approval to decide for themselves what constitutes proper behavior.

Our personal "feelings" are irrelevant.

 

[hammerreborn]

Bounty hunting is simply a Cmdr hunting down a wanted target.

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People that do that can be avoided without touching combat log or menu log.

Also, while crime and punishment isn't being harsh enough in beating random PKers down, it's completely legitimate to attack random people for no apparent reason. It's only griefing when it's repetitive targeting and chasing down of a specific individual for the purpose of causing grief.

To be honest I don't care if people menu log on a random attack without any communication or context in the current crime and punishment setting.

So....exactly what your KOS list accomplishes? Way to pin yourself in that corner.

 

[GJ51]

So....exactly what your KOS list accomplishes? Way to pin yourself in that corner.

+1 Rep

 

[hammerreborn]

Actually, let's all swear to putt glutton on a menu log on sight list.

You see, he just admitted to being a griefer by keeping a kill on sight list. By his own words, this makes him a griefer.

He also admits through the most tortured reading of a support statement ever, that menu logging is legit as long as it's not to avoid piracy or bounty hunting.

Griefing is neither of these, as the kill option was selected regardless of the targets load out or cargo, and seeing it's a list of people seeking to avoid combat, would preclude it from bounty hunting.

Therefore, if gluttony attacks you, and you assume it's due to his griefer list, you can presume he is griefing by his own definition and actions, and menu log accordingly.

And it be completely legitimate according to his tortured logic on menu logging, so he can't complain about it either!

 

[Sunleader]

And you ignored what I wrote again, how surprising.

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I don't think there is evidence to call menu log legitimate under those circumstances, and it can certainly be fixed by changing the menu log timer and the way it behaves instead of making support sit through all the logs.

I am not Ignoring it.
It simply makes no Sense to over and over repeat that we think the other side is wrong.
Your post simply Repeats the same Statement you make before.
So of course if I wanted I could just repeat my Statements as well. But it would not lead anywhere. Because ultimately we would still sit at the same Position as before.

Hence I am answering only the part which was new. Which was that Support Ticket and your Claim that this would somehow state on behalf of FD that using the Logout Function during Combat is not Legitimate if its done to avoid Piracy or Griefing.
And which we now have repeatedly told you. Is saying the exact opposite.

It is clearly stating that using it for this. Is perfectly legitimate and thus will not be acted upon.
The Support does Acknolwedge your Point however and thus refers you to make a Suggestion in the Forum to Improve the Situation towards what you think is right.


Now for Fairness Said. This sort of Answer to go to the Suggestion Forum is a Standard Issue you get from Support when mentioning stuff you consider wrong with the Game and towards which you make an halfwat reasonable explanaton as to why you think this system is wrong.
Its called being Polite. And is supposed to give you the feeling that even tough the Answer to your Question is and stays that this Behavior is Perfectly Legitimate. He does understand that you would like to see a different System.

 

[GluttonyFang]

So....exactly what your KOS list accomplishes? Way to pin yourself in that corner.

I'm not using my KoS to grief, though o.o

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Actually, let's all swear to putt glutton on a menu log on sight list.

You see, he just admitted to being a griefer by keeping a kill on sight list. By his own words, this makes him a griefer.

He also admits through the most tortured reading of a support statement ever, that menu logging is legit as long as it's not to avoid piracy or bounty hunting.

Griefing is neither of these, as the kill option was selected regardless of the targets load out or cargo, and seeing it's a list of people seeking to avoid combat, would preclude it from bounty hunting.

Therefore, if gluttony attacks you, and you assume it's due to his griefer list, you can presume he is griefing by his own definition and actions, and menu log accordingly.

And it be completely legitimate according to his tortured logic on menu logging, so he can't complain about it either!

.-.

*Chuckles in the foreground*

 

[Lane1572]

Person creates thread bragging about combat logging= fine

My video showing non exploit pvp is deleted and I get a warning.. seems about right