I agree Sandy I think transfer is good. Personally I do think instant transfer has repercussions on the game play of other commanders that had not been considered. Forget immersion or convenience this is about gameplay balance.
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I agree Sandy I think transfer is good. Personally I do think instant transfer has repercussions on the game play of other commanders that had not been considered. Forget immersion or convenience this is about gameplay balance.
To begin with I was really anti-instant ship transfer and said as much on these forums. However after listening to Sandro on Lave Radio I changed my mind and now support instant transfer. I do not believe it will be game breaking at all and will allow more time to actually play the game and enjoy it. It will allow many players, who don't often have lots of time, to experience more that the game has to offer.
Any delay to ship transfers will end up just being annoying as it will be an arbitrary delay that prevents you from enjoying the game how you want to play it. If it is a delay of minutes it will just be frustrating and if it is a delay of hours then it will still prevent people from enjoying some of the richness of the game if they only have short periods of time when they can play.
Any delay to ship transfers will end up just being annoying as it will be an arbitrary delay that prevents you from enjoying the game how you want to play it. If it is a delay of minutes it will just be frustrating and if it is a delay of hours then it will still prevent people from enjoying some of the richness of the game if they only have short periods of time when they can play.
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Wouldn't that be a bit of a problem if I'm already at the station where I want to have that ship?
I'm in System A and a ship I want is in System B. Should I have to fly to system B, send my ship to System A and then fly back? I could do that with a Taxi-Hauler
Well yes, but conversely PoD (Point of Departure) ship transportation means a little forethought is required by the player before scuttling their ships off into the black as to what they want to do when they get to their intended destination.
Otherwise, PoA (Point of Arrival) ship transportation ordering further progresses the death of the multi-role ships.
I've already listened to the episode, and that's not what he said. He said more complicated time delayed transfers based on things such as if the ship could even make the journey in the first instance would be too time intensive and difficult compared to the preferred instant transfer mechanic that he was touting. PoD departure wasn't discussed.
The way this is worded, it seems like the decision is already made and any votes are basically ignorable, since the limit for "significant majority vote" and "high turnout" are undefined, and the voting results are hidden.
This just feels like a way to lessen the blow on a decision already made.
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There are more productive uses of free time than playing video games if you have so little of it to go around.
Me? I just give up sleep
Yes yes , you're right, I'm too passionate about all this. Still, this very poll is proof enough that FD is listening , which is awesome.
Waiting for the results, fingers crossed
Cool. You can retain this by limiting yourself with personal timers. Not everyone needs that.
Players who would require some reward to click on a 2 option poll don't deserve to have their opinions taken in consideration.
Players should vote because they are interested in the feature implementation, not to get a cookie.
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It would be glorious.
Oh, you know...there is that little part of me that would be laughing my off at them...not with them.
Agreed. This game needs less friction to the gameplay not more. Just let this be an instant Quality of Life improvement and let people get on with playing the game. This QoL mechanic does not need a time-sink/fun tax needlessly attached to it.
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No, actually, we don't need to stop. Considering the type of game this, the focus they were going for right from the start, the focus of style of play that IS Elite .. immersion plays a huge role for many, many players. Another players immersion CANNOT be disregarded just because it's a game.
Surfing black holes is stupid considering FDev's desire to make the galaxy as scientifically accurate as they can. Black holes should kill the hell out of you, and then reset your entire save just to emphasise how stupid you are for going near a black hole (only half serious..).
Well .. you can get within about 75,000 km of the star .. which I think is a little too close and at that distance .. that punk needs to fill up my enter screen and then some. Stars are way too small for my liking.
They are making changes to Neutrons .. I'm hoping one of them is kill your dumb-bum if you get too close. ^_^
So what if there are aliens? Wait .. you think we're alone in the universe (for reals I mean, not in the game)...?
I don't recall anyone saying these things don't break immersion .. but .. since you asked .. Surfing black holes breaks my immersion. Getting within 75k of a star breaks my immersion, Neutrons break my immersion .. aliens do NOT break my immersion because I'm not arrogant enough to think humanity is the only intelligent species in the cosmos .. also.. Thargoids have been part of Elite for like .. decades .. so yeah .. nothing to get broken up about here.
Yes, instant magical ship/module transfer is an immersion breaker (it also breaks/damages/renders worthless other aspects of the game).
So what if it's a video game? Stop saying that. It's not an argument.
Elite is fun.
Good that insta-win is fun for you. It's not fun for others. There needs to be a balance.
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This is really absurd and unfair Sandro. Many people have been very excited about this new accessibility feature and a vocal minority of people that practically live online have been lobbying here on these forums for it to be changed before we've even had a chance to try it. It's a feature that is entirely optional-- no one is forced into using it and the arguments manufactured about how it will hurt the game balance by making ship transfers instant are baseless because it's just people grasping for straws. All they really care about is being able to prevent combat-focused players from being able to relocate their ships more quickly. That's really all this is. They aren't worried about how this feature will affect themselves-- only how it will affect other players. Don't be fooled by their narrative. These people are potentially making a decision for you that will be an obstacle to your game's success; not nearly as many people out there want to wait needlessly for something as there are here living on this forum. Please don't listen to these people.
Then why are you allowed to teleport to the last station you visited on death? Consistency right?
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Hi Sandro,
Will we be able to "push" our ships to a destination of our choosing, or will we only be able to "pull" them to our current destination?
If time delay is implemented, then will we have to wait for a ship to arrive before we leave the station and do anything else?
EDIT: Just saw this from Sandy, boy is he on the ball tonight!
Cheers
Hi Sandro,
Will we be able to "push" our ships to a destination of our choosing, or will we only be able to "pull" them to our current destination?
If time delay is implemented, then will we have to wait for a ship to arrive before we leave the station and do anything else?
EDIT: Just saw this from Sandy, boy is he on the ball tonight!
Personally I quite like it, but it's outside of the current remit for 2.2.
*If* we end up with timed deliveries, it sounds like the kind of thing we could consider in the future (no ETA no guarantees!).
Cheers
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No, anything can be an issue. If I have a bunch of ships scattered everywhere and want to move them all to one station, instant ship transfer is a godsend. But if it's ship transfer with a bunch of delays tacked on to appease other players, then it doesn't help me. It's an issue for me because player meddling changed it from a potentially helpful feature to a pointless time-sink.
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Exactly, whenever ship transfer has been requested in the past, people specifically pointed out that it should of course *not* be instant:
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With no danger at all...no getting too close to a star, not having to be properly equipped, no interdictions...
And just like that...I'm excited about 2.2 again. The mind is a funny little mechanism, no?
For me its not about immersion or realism. You could justify the realism of instant transfer by simply stating that the Station receives credit for your old ship, and they simply build you a new one at the current location. Yes it does fall down a little when it comes to them not normally having the parts or engineer mods, etc. But you can sort of understand.
But the game breaking mechanic of instant transfer. Holy heck! I can see it now for example. A trader fitting a t9 (or whatever give the biggest cargo with no other modules installed). Filling up their totally maxed out cargo t9 at the cheapest location. Using a long range asp to jump to the place they want to sell it and then instant transfer the t9 to sell the goods. Then fly back in the asp, instant transfer the empty container ship and repeat.
Unless the costs of this instant transfer are calculated based on value of cargo, etc and are so high that this cheat cant be viable, its a game breaker right there. No risk trading.
Then if the price is too high, only the rich can use it, people will complain and eventually it will be cheap and game broken again.
But the game breaking mechanic of instant transfer. Holy heck! I can see it now for example. A trader fitting a t9 (or whatever give the biggest cargo with no other modules installed). Filling up their totally maxed out cargo t9 at the cheapest location. Using a long range asp to jump to the place they want to sell it and then instant transfer the t9 to sell the goods. Then fly back in the asp, instant transfer the empty container ship and repeat.
Unless the costs of this instant transfer are calculated based on value of cargo, etc and are so high that this cheat cant be viable, its a game breaker right there. No risk trading.
Then if the price is too high, only the rich can use it, people will complain and eventually it will be cheap and game broken again.
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