It's incredibly challenging though - who could have considered that in an MMO situation on a space station with landing pads with no hangars that the landing pads might all fill up? Or that commandos might hang around and see ships vanishing and appearing out of thin air. Nobody could have seen that coming - they should all have been watching the mo-cap cutscenes inside, it's hardly the dev's fault.
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To be fair, the game they planned was not an MMO and was in large part intended to be played on local or private servers.
Yes you have. Just because you don't have a firm grasp of who said what due to your reliance on strawman arguments, does not mean that you haven't been incredibly insulting this whole time. So I guess we can add that one to the list of lies.
Oh, and you never really answered the question about the game. So let's try to get back on that topic, shall we?
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Naah - they'll have people emoting to force-skip cutscenes 
Or maybe worse, people emoting to force others into cutscenes
Or maybe worse, people emoting to force others into cutscenes
I disagree. Roberts and others involved ARE experienced enough and know (already proven in their career) that, if interested, if having the need or good reasons for that, they are able to deliver a project effectively in a timely manner (Wing Commander 4 development was a major example of that).
What people always fail to see, apparently, is that in the Star Citizen case, there is no interest to advance to what should be called a "released" product. It goes against the financial needs that they targeted to this venture and they envision that are possible to get. They know, that are doing something unsustainable in the long term and not capable to compete/stay alive in the game industry market. So, they are focusing on keeping the dream, instead delivering more that will make people realize that what is done/delivered is not so great or groundbreaking or fun as they imagined.
So, they are, in purpose, making it take longer and longer, by using means, strategies, approaches, that a experienced PM, which is also very experienced in one or two Hollywood tricks to deceive investors or actors and keep them believing, of course, is totally capable to do.
Roberts is not this dumb that people are imagining. As well as all those other main executives profiting a lot from this venture. People, from fans to even non-believers, media, etc., are been extremely naive when they look to this whole mess (no offense intended), or some, know what is really happening here, but are too afraid to say in public because reasons.
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Again with a chill out. He is not insulting you he is holding a mirror in your face for you to see your own behavior. We have several pages that show your behavior with assumption and putting words in peoples mouth, and competly ignore the stuff people try to tell you. We have the entire VR discussion for that to show you. If you dont like something you try to offroad it with your assumption in hope to derail it. If that doesnt work you try to tell people to "chill out" or again start with the agenda or hater stuff.
I'm almost certainly too simplistic, maybe I don't understand the long game... Why would he keep opening more studios and burning ever-increasing salary costs if he was wanting to syphon money off?
Or is this all about plausibility and hiding the pea under the cup?
Anyway, anyone know when the BMM is being released?
Or is this all about plausibility and hiding the pea under the cup?
Anyway, anyone know when the BMM is being released?
IDK...this seems like a good deal of assumption on the motives of CIG/RSI. Is it possible this is a loop they have dug themselves into it? Perhaps....but I don't think there is evidence to prove that their goal is to just profit off of an endless pre-alpha. Rather, it is my opinion that a lack of concise and clear direction has caused the project to tumble in such a way that requires them to enter a revenue generation position as opposed to a strict game development. I think this is a similar problem that CR ran in to with developing Freelancer but didn't have the same kind of money tap he has with SC.
Just to let you know... most of these ever-increasing salaries are from the RSI executives.
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Woah, that's quite a wall!
Thanks for your extensive reply, that all makes sense to me. I definitely think CIG have already laid some pretty impressive groundwork in order to get everything running together at all... They absolutely do have some really smart people on board!
I'd forgotten about the cargo ATV (I did watch some of it, but I was at work so I couldn't completely pay attention, heh), thanks for reminding me. It's good they're starting to focus more on the actual mechanics and how your actions in the game are going to work. That's something that's really been missing from my point of view, hopefully as they get the underlying tech into a better place over the coming months more of that can start to show up in-game.
I do hope the thread remains chill enough for you to stay around for a while... You have a very measured view of the project and it's always worth taking the time to read what you post.
(Edit: Well, by the look of the way things are going, none of us will have the opportunity to post for a while soon.
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"Hey guys CHILL DOWN!" ( I like how he made it his)
"SO what you're saying in THIS" (completely misinterprets what is said to fill his own agenda).
A sewer rat has more mental agility (no offence BYE-BAN) --- see what I did there (made YOUR name MY own)
Wonder how the Strawberries are doing in their next patch iteration.
Ok so you feel insulted because i pointed that you're taking your own biased assumptions as facts, and then you proceed to insult me in a direct way? Wow, i have no words.
Did you know.
When the Architect Talks to his Customer. And asks him about his Wishlist about his Electric Installations.
He afterwards gives the Customer a List of what Installations he gets and where. And maybe even when those are going to be Build.
But guess what.
The Electrician does not give him a Rundown Report of his Single Steps to actually get these Installations Installed there.
Because lets face a Fact.
In 99 out of 100 cases even if he tried to Explain to the Customer just how hes going to get this Socket into his Wall and have it connected to the Power Supply in the Cellar. The Customer would not really understand anything about anyways.
For the Customer the Importand Information is.
Where is that Damn Socket.
Which Switch does he need to Pull Up so it works.
And where in the Damn Wall he should not Drill Holes
He doesnt need to know that L1 is an Solid PVC Isolated line running through an Hard Plastic Tunnel with Metal Edges in the Wall Breaks to cross Rooms. Going from S1 through S4 on the First Connector using an TNTS System for PE and N Lines to get this Socket Working while being Secured with FI Switch and Limited to 16A
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Some people seem to struggle with the term MVP so I have complied a visual aid using food as everyone understands food.
MVP means minimum viable product, it's the absolute worst job you can do without being immediately hauled over the coals by various consumer protection agencies.
This is a ham sandwich as featured in advertising :
This is a legally acceptable MVP ham sandwich, this is what you can expect no matter how much you pay if the seller tells you you are getting an MVP :
Bon appetit citizens.
MVP means minimum viable product, it's the absolute worst job you can do without being immediately hauled over the coals by various consumer protection agencies.
This is a ham sandwich as featured in advertising :
This is a legally acceptable MVP ham sandwich, this is what you can expect no matter how much you pay if the seller tells you you are getting an MVP :
Bon appetit citizens.
Is that a hand crafted or procedurally generated sandwich?
That is pretty much what RSI executives want everyone believing in the end. That is much better than been called deceivers that just profited from a project, completely based on lies and deception, that they knew was doomed to be unsustainable and unable to compete with the market in the very earlier days, and just decided to keep it alive for as long as they can and there are people buying dreams.
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Maybe someone like Alex Mayberry(oh yeah he left), or Travis Day perhaps(gone) the experienced guys cut and ran for greener pastures probably because they don't understand game development.
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Fair enough, however then it's a con? really doesn't make it better than incompetent.
The way I've been taught on all the products I've released as MVP...it is the minimum which satisfies your customers most pressing requirements. It requires communication to the customer that, while this release does not give them all they wanted, they can at least have their highest priorities met and will have the rest of what was promised in subsequent releases. For example, if I'm building an ordering system, my MVP would be something that allows for the order to be entered, paid and provisioned. Next release would include a tie in to their CRM system, so that customer details can automatically be applied to the order (removing a lot of manual entry). Next release might allow for customer complaints and feedback to flow through to the ordering system to reopen problem orders without requiring a rep to go digging...and so on
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