The Star Citizen Thread v5

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Stigbob

Stigbob
Atres Alfahan said:
And again we have opposite opinions but this is fine.

I tell you what, let’s make a compromise and agree that we disagree. We can sit back and enjoy the show, see what happen in the coming year.

Fact is either you nor me will have an influence on the events to come so we can discuss this all day long but in the end this is insignificant for the project as it simply will move forward regardless how much you try to stop or change it. So feel free to ramble around all day, shout at the massive wall and be mad if you like this. It does not matter and if it pleases you it is fine.
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Personal attacks because you don't have a point to make. You should buy more Idris's, mortgage your house and sell your car to do it, after all with your boundless knowledge of game development you know it makes sense.
 

Atres Alfahan

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Stigbob said:
Personal attacks because you don't have a point to make. You should buy more Idris's, mortgage your house and sell your car to do it, after all with your boundless knowledge of game development you know it makes sense.
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What personal attack? I guess you are interpreting to much into this.

And no, I have already 2 Idris. Do not need another one but I am looking to get a Polaris.
 

Atres Alfahan

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milligna said:
Isn't it interesting that some folks have this reaction to a thread on the internet discussing and cracking jokes about Star Citizen and need to put it in it's place for some strange reason. Nothing can stop or change it! It's all useless! You can't stop THE VISION! It doesn't matter what you say! So let's spend a lot of time discussing what we say.

Er?
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Sorry to tell you friend but it is true. The supporters of the project at the current state outweighs the one who are against it by several factors to one. You may be loud but insignificant. You may wish the game to stop or change direction but it will not. We will see the game to be done and the best we can hope for that it will be fun to play. It will not be the game that everyone dreams of. It will not be the game to please every player. But hopefully it will be a solid and good game.

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Stigbob said:
I believe you, would you like to buy some magic beans ?.
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No but would you support stuff like this:
https://hyperloop-one.com/
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/fontus-the-self-filling-water-bottles-sport-camping#/
http://www.solarroadways.com/
 

Esvandiary

Esvandiary
milligna said:
It's all useless! You can't stop THE VISION! It doesn't matter what you say!
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Atres Alfahan said:
Sorry to tell you friend but it is true. The supporters of the project at the current state outweighs the one who are against it by several factors to one. You may be loud but insignificant. You may wish the game to stop or change direction but it will not. We will see the game to be done and the best we can hope for that it will be fun to play. It will not be the game that everyone dreams of. It will not be the game to please every player. But hopefully it will be a solid and good game.
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I guess it's a good job that all a game needs to be finished and good is people who believe in it...?!
 
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Atres Alfahan

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Esvandiary said:
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I guess it's a good job that all a game needs to be finished and good is people who believe in it...?!
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It is always a good thing when a game is finished and fun to play. This is the most important aim for a game developer. However for a publisher the most important aim is that the developed game sells to at least cover all the costs involved.
Mostly a good and fun game also sells itself pretty well.
 
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frostypaw

frostypaw
Toumal said:
No. 3.0 will most likely not come out this year. February is more likely, assuming they're not pushing it back even further.
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I wonder if at that point Orlando will take a less abrasive angle with his love of this project.

There's no harm in liking it, but the process of knocking back unrealistic expectations has pretty much flooded this thread. It's CIG's own fault though, they do nothing but encourage the hype and set their backers up for ridicule and disappointment when they once more fail to deliver and leave the faithful out on a limb.

Atres Alfahan said:
Fact is either you nor me will have an influence on the events to come so we can discuss this all day long but in the end this is insignificant for the project as it simply will move forward regardless how much you try to stop or change it. So feel free to ramble around all day, shout at the massive wall and be mad if you like this. It does not matter and if it pleases you it is fine.
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We all know this and I don't know where on earth you ever got the idea but we're not actually trying to stop or change this.

It's as if you think the folk here a bunch of clucking fusspots standing outside a racetrack campaigning and waving placards saying the whole thing should be banned because y'know someone might get hurt - it would be much more apt to consider it like fans of a sport watching another team play and discussing why them wearing no boots (for grass fidelity) was a bonkers idea just kinda waiting for someone to get hurt, hoping the sport isn't damaged by any injury that occurs.
 

Komemiute

Komemiute
milligna said:
Isn't it interesting that some folks have this reaction to a thread on the internet discussing and cracking jokes about Star Citizen and need to put it in it's place for some strange reason. Nothing can stop or change it! It's all useless! You can't stop THE VISION! It doesn't matter what you say! So let's spend a lot of time discussing what we say.

Er?
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Who is actually trying to sto WHAT? and HOW?! *facepalm* This is quickly turning in a Religion vs Atheists stuff! D:
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
The religion parallel has a lot of examples.

The chosen one : Chris Roberts.
Satan : Derek Smart.
Apostles : various video hangers on.
Evangelists : the cult.
Unbelievers : sensible gamers.
Persecution : accurate press articles.
New testament : denial that previous promises were made.
Second coming : missed release date perpetually kicked a bit further down the line.
Armageddon : the ELE.
Miracles : magic Germans.
Belief : the vision.
Excommunication : 10 year forum bans.
The inquisition : r/dereksmart.

Edit I forgot

You can buy dubious fragments of the cross : An Idris

This is an absolute bargain : http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vatican-rel...868322?hash=item3f6b2a36e2:g:0xIAAOSwnNBXaVhL
 
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Toumal

Toumal
Atres Alfahan said:
And again we have opposite opinions but this is fine.
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But he's right and you are wrong. CIG themselves said 2.6 will start evocati testing in October at the earliest. How can you reasonably expect 3.0 to still happen in 2016?
Or are you gonna come around and claim that CIG never said it would be 2016, like they did with SQ42?
 
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Maruun

Maruun
Toumal said:
But he's right and you are wrong. CIG themselves said 2.6 will start evocati testing in October at the earliest. How can you reasonably expect 3.0 to still happen in 2016?
Or are you gonna come around and claim that CIG never said it would be 2016, like they did with SQ42?
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He sayed end of year...not 2016. xD
 

Dementropy

Dementropy
Atres Alfahan said:
You can continue saying this to yourself but the reality with the obvious evidence is a different one.
For CIG it is not a matter anymore if they will find an potential investor in the absolute (and highly unlikely) worst case scenario but rather then which one will give them the best offer.

And the game has a clear focus.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/about-the-game/spaceflight
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I'm not seeing a clear focus there. I'm seeing marketing. Maybe that is their focus. They do it quite well.

Now, in SC's current state, I do not believe CIG will be fighting off people trying to buy the IP anytime soon. There's just too much to be UNdone, as well as a lot of work looking forward. Besides, having someone else take over would smack too much of Freelancer history, and this time it's different, right?

Do I hope they get things together and put out a great game? Yes. I'd even settle for serviceable. However, "hopes" are up there with "dreams," and there are no 11th hour miracles, since the most recent TOS threw the clock out of the window. Right now, with the Evocati leak from yesterday, things aren't looking so hot. But again, it took a leak from a player operating under a nondisclosure agreement, to let everyone know what was happening in a project that espouses "open development."

EDIT: Good morning, thread.
 
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hairychris

hairychris
Stigbob said:
The religion parallel has a lot of examples.

The chosen one : Chris Roberts.
Satan : Derek Smart.
Apostles : various video hangers on.
Evangelists : the cult.
Unbelievers : sensible gamers.
Persecution : accurate press articles.
New testament : denial that previous promises were made.
Second coming : missed release date perpetually kicked a bit further down the line.
Armageddon : the ELE.
Miracles : magic Germans.
Belief : the vision.
Excommunication : 10 year forum bans.
The inquisition : r/dereksmart.

Edit I forgot

You can buy dubious fragments of the cross : An Idris

This is an absolute bargain : http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vatican-rel...868322?hash=item3f6b2a36e2:g:0xIAAOSwnNBXaVhL
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Right, so this is actually a thread on eschatology, right?
 

Zyll Goliat

Zyll Goliat
Zetta said:
Unfortunately that's the side effect of "EVERYBODY DROP WHAT YOU ARE DOING!!! WE ARE NOW WORKING ON THIS..."

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That 2.6 info is interesting, a bit more regarding the flight changes

What specifically has been changed?
Complete rebalance of SCM speeds and ship handling
Complete rebalance of all shields for all ships



  • These simulate the item2.0 shield item values that will come with a future patch (As such they are approximations of the intended default loadouts)
  • Complete rebalance of fuel consumption and fuel tanks for all ships
  • Afterburner and boost consumption rates have been adjusted
  • Once fuel is depleted you are kicked out of afterburner until enough has regenerated
  • Complete rebalance of all missile loadouts for all ships
  • All new missile racks have been made
  • Every ship has had its missile rack hardpoints adjusted
  • All missile rack hardpoints are now editable and missile rack items can be exchanged again


As you can see, every ship in the game has been given a new SCM max speed which is approximately half of what they were before in order to condense the scale of speeds to roughly between 100 and 200m/s. This crunched range has allowed us to keep combat much closer and tweak every ships acceleration (lateral and rotational) to give them all a better feeling that you would associate with a ship of that type and role.
Up to now, certain ships were held as a gold standard, meaning that we had to force values for new ships far beyond where they should naturally sit. Our goal is to nominalize speed and reset the balance across the board. Reducing the SCM speeds has allowed us to keep/tweak the afterburner/cruise speeds close to what they currently are and to put a resource on boost fuel and its management to hop between engagements.
Alongside the flight speed changes, we’re also putting in an early approximation of the shield items that will come online in a future patch for early feedback and a revised default missile loadout for most ships. With the revised loadouts, we’ve created all new missile racks and reenabled the ability to swap them out.


Why have we made these sweeping changes?
As more and more ships have gone into the game, the speeds have slowly crept up to make room for them. The end result is that combat in SCM mode has progressively got worse and further apart. With these increased speeds, undesirable sliding when turning comes in, and with that, more unintended collisions and a general requirement to not fly near any of our cool setups in the world. The changes mean that the management of this boost and afterburner going forward is once again become a viable combat tactic.
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Seems like "someone" finally start to listen....maybe is not to late after all,removing the head bobbing and this possible FM changes are all positive things and only can make SC more fun and challenging....I don´t know,I will believe it when I see it but it does look promising for start....
 
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