Of course it's liability. They have taken money for something that does not exist, the onus is on them to provide all that they are selling - the very definition of liability.
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Of course it's liability. They have taken money for something that does not exist, the onus is on them to provide all that they are selling - the very definition of liability.
Oh man, can't wait for CIG to use this math to tell backers: according to our estimates we've delivered 2/3 of what you bought (yes, the game is 1/6, look at the package, you got the ship, no game to fly it in but that was just a small part)
True pre-orders only become sales when you actually deliver on the order. The money raised through pre-orders could be regarded as an asset, but since CiG/RSI are now talking about ongoing funding driving development rather than existing cash the only logical assumption is that they've spent the majority of the pre-order money already.
Mo-cap re-shoots at the most expensive mo-cap studio in the world don't come cheap, especially after you already spent money building two mo-cap studio's of your own. Which for some reason you now decided you won't use.
Oh, are we getting an update to the flight model?
I can only hope it makes the HOTAS experience better, I just cannot bring myself to play the space flight/combat elements of the game with a mouse.
You know what they say about playing chess with a pigeon, right? Don't you see that you're trying to put up the pieces properly while on the other side there's a lot of wing flapping and feathers flying around?
Raises hand
Umm... what about, you know... the actual game? Isn't a released game kind of the main selling point?
It depends on the business model of the product. You have a lot of examples where the actual game can be for free and generates 0 revenue however the project finance itself through additions.
In case of Star Citizen you can for example buy a Constellation Andromeda as a solo ship. This item is currently ready and can be played. I can start the game and jump into this ship to fly around hunt some player or NPC’s do some missions, ern money for fuel, repairs and cloths on the Persistent Test universe.
Star Citizen is currently in full development the game cost 15$, but until it is delivered you get access to the Public test universe, where you can enjoy the ship you have bought with the packet now. The ship itself has also a value. In fact the business model of Star Citizen seems to value the ships much higher as the base game. So using this point of view CIG is indeed delivering products. Some are already usable by players and with every update more is delivered. Therefore the project is generating revenue.
Q.E.D
I'm sorry if I'm not understanding this properly, are you stating that "the one who shall not be named" sources are incorrect on purpose, or correct handful of times (they have never been right) to remain effective ?
Isn't this another tinfoil hat conspiracy ?
That's an argument in favour of calling it pay2win, it doesn't address the lack of a playable game.
Wow, this is absolutely incredible. I sure hope CIG take this ball and run with it, if that's the logic they are going to apply to the project -- it's going to get even funnier!
I could see why that would appeal to the likes of Ortwin and the Roberts clan, but what possible benefit is that to people who just want to play a game? What an odd thing to defend and champion. But by all means, please continue explaining why this is good for backers.
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It's common sense, a secret source that isn't kept secret stops being secret then stops being a source. No tinfoil required.
Another thing to take into account if it's all invented why did CiG's customer support (Lol) accuse beer4thebeergod of being involved in corporate espionage during his e-mail exchange with Sandi about the potato re-branding kerfuffle.
It's a ticklish situation.
Thanks for clearing it up, you see i'm not familiar with all the drama surrounding SC, sometimes it's entertaining and sometimes it's meh
Don't do it. He's gonna betray you.
Pay2Win only apply when an items of a specific value or power cannot be get in the game for use.
This definition does not apply for Star Citizen as even when you have only a starter package, you can go now into the Persistent Universe and use a ship of another player. In the upcoming game every player will have the chance to earn every ship that is being given now to player for money to help found the game development. Therefore the only advantage you can get now is that will save time at the commercial start of the game.
Therefore your argument is invalid.
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LOL no, this is just awful white-knighting. How can you honestly believe that this viewpoint is defensible?
In fact I don't believe you can and you are simply trolling by throwing out the most ridiculous arguments possible to bait for responses.
ie Why would you claim the game only costs $15, everyone knows the primary item remains $45.
According to whom, The National Bureau of Paying to Win and Things Like That? Newsflash: gamers are the ones that brand games P2W on a sliding scale of greasiness. Once so branded, that's it -- no amount of defining the term to be favorable to a game that sells jpgs for hundreds of dollars each is going to work!
So, we have established that money given to CIG is liability unless the game itself, not a tech demo, is released. Now that we know CIG generated no revenue yet, can we talk about the important things, for example how terrible designs of half the ships are, with pointless greebles and other assorted crap added to the model for no good reason? Honestly, Aurora with it's geometry sometimes looks like it's afflicted by this bug: http://www.timlehr.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/maya-os-switch-glitch.jpg. Avenger, Gladius and Freelancer are examples of ships done right, even though two fighters look like they originated in a sketchbook of a Ace Combat dev, and Freelancer has a general shape of squished-down Serenity from Firefly.
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I do not believe it I know it as it is my job to know this stuff. Remember I am in this business and work for a gaming publisher.
But you can believe whatever you like. It does not matter as the reality always wins.
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