Not everyone here is part of that cult. I think most of the people on my ignore list are though
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Not everyone here is part of that cult. I think most of the people on my ignore list are though
I like to think of myself as Ian Astbury, circa 1985... "She sells Jpeg-uary"
Goodness, $750 for a concept? Oh, but hey, they don't run out of "stock." Good grief.
Can't they sell something else that translates to actual gameplay? For example, sell mining permits that allow you to mine is a restricted zone, or something like that. I get that might not make the prettiest jpegs but at least it hints at some commitment and priority being given to a core role.
Or perhaps a bounty hunter's decal? Special paint jobs for existing ships...this behavior of cart before the horse just worries me, every time.
Can't they sell something else that translates to actual gameplay? For example, sell mining permits that allow you to mine is a restricted zone, or something like that. I get that might not make the prettiest jpegs but at least it hints at some commitment and priority being given to a core role.
Or perhaps a bounty hunter's decal? Special paint jobs for existing ships...this behavior of cart before the horse just worries me, every time.
The problem there is that first they'd need mining, bounty hunting, and systems
No. You will see what RSI decides to show to you. I doubt that RSI will be ever honest about their sales figures. They will raise or decrease their numbers depending of their current marketing/business strategy.
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The cult of not praising CR because he mismanages projects and not loving SC because it is a glorified tech demo that isn't even 10% of what was promised 5 years in. CULT I SAY!
That doesnt drive the imagination as much: being the owner of the greatest ship in the history of mankind, with hundreds of thousands of lesser citizens praising you for it is key to the dream. Being able to go to a bunch of asteroids where others wont be able to go is not. Heck, if poor people cant go there, who will see my expensive ship?
Somehow the mental image of dozens of underpanted space peasants invading expensive ships and glitching them into oblivion whilst being completely emote immune to anything the owner tries to do to protect it is rather amusing
The peanut gallery is neither made of glass nor armed with rocks.
The problem there is that first they'd need mining, bounty hunting, and systems
Don't worry, they will release this in December. All of it. You'll see! And you'll be crying tears and join in, realizing your mistake.
Or something.
In essence both communities started with the same kind of people. Both consist of people interested in space games. Today there are still many that are interested in both games.
However there are of course idiots or 'extremists' - and these exist in both communities - and basically in every other gaming community as well. These only 'love' their game and 'hate' everything else that could be even remotely comparable. This is then what could be considered 'cultish' behaviour. However the circumstances for both games are obviously different and therefore affects especially those kind of people.
Funding amount, Time of initial funding, subscription (and length of subscription), LTI, evocati access, rarity and size of ships are status symbols within the community. And some people in that community feel superior to others if they hold one or more of these. They want to protect their gained status symbols. Then these people may have 'invested' way more money into SC than into any other game before. They could change their opinion on the game, but the threshold is higher since it is not easy to withdraw the money they have spend on SC. This money is the anchor that holds them back to doubt that anything wrong. This feel of 'doing the right thing' then to extends beyond the borders of the community itself. A heightened superiority against those that are not a part of the community or play 'inferior' games, ignorance against those that have concerns even within their own community, and hate against 'non-believers'.
All that combined with missed release dates, bug ridden alphas and vague but hyped descriptions of game features. That all drags now for years forces them into that kind of defensive and 'cultish' behavior.
There are certainly 'extremists' in the ED community as well, but i'd say the soil in the SC community is much more fertile to bring out these people.
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Sorry but comparing ED and SC communities and calling them similar is nonsense. ED has never been claimed 'the best goddamn space sim' by it's developer, nor it's players have justified every dev fault so massively. In fact, ED community is so critical towards game I really wonder why it is still around. Yes, there are awesome people in SC fanbase, and there are rotten apples in ED one. However they are really not comparable, due of developers themselves setting up expectations and attitude towards competition. CIG/CR feels they have to be bullish, they have to do big words to justify amount of backing in money they are getting. FD has been struggling to take money away from us. Remember when ED was about 8 months in and we had only few paintjobs to choose from? While CIG is selling goddamn JPEGs of ships.
Please. ED and SC communities couldn't be anymore different if we talking about "difficult fans" and overall atmosphere.
Please. ED and SC communities couldn't be anymore different if we talking about "difficult fans" and overall atmosphere.
My latest Star Citizen scoop is up. Touches on financials, JPEG ship sales etc.
There's multiple death threats on file from SC-fans against critics.
I an not aware of anyone having received death threats for their criticisms about ED.
Yes there's people who defend the current status of ED, to the detriment of the game even, but the ED community is a long way from what's happening "over there".
Plenty of threads with open criticism, some constructive, some not as much. At the same time, people have been banned from the CIG forums for not sufficiently standing behind the project.
I an not aware of anyone having received death threats for their criticisms about ED.
Yes there's people who defend the current status of ED, to the detriment of the game even, but the ED community is a long way from what's happening "over there".
Plenty of threads with open criticism, some constructive, some not as much. At the same time, people have been banned from the CIG forums for not sufficiently standing behind the project.
Basically they feel they backed wrong horse (although idea itself is wrong and absurd, it is there, in their unconscious). This makes them defensive to the extreme, and not allowing properly criticizing CIG or CR - and thus destroying any oversight for the game there has ever been.
If ED wouldn't exist, there would be less pressure about their appearance "being wrong", and it would be more about CR failed promises. No doubt atmosphere towards CIG and CR would be very, very different.
Years of "amazing, first time tech" (horse nuts about first eve localized physics grid nonsense, "superiority middleware" for AI - has everyone has forgotten that one? OMG CryEngine awesome balls but can't do level streaming, nor hierarchy system required, nor do proper orbits and rotation, and anything else needed from space game really), "you will see, SC will destroy ED in next two years" and another nonsense.
What's worst I don't buy CR excuse for being dreamer anymore. I think he knows how it works and openly exploits people dreams without having a clue how to make it work. And I start to feel that other game designers CIG has staying to work with him are slowly becoming implicit in this "crime". Yes, we start to see some realistic gameplay for SC main game loop, still I feel too many bridges are burnt already for SC 1.0 to ever survive nuts storm.
You've hit the nail on the head right there. But that's just the thing, depending on which SC backer you ask, you get the opinion that CIG still has all that money, or a large portion of it, or half of it, or perhaps spent the majority of it - and each of those scenarios is perfectly ok for them. It's going to remain ok until the NMS release happens and things can't be denied anymore. But then it'll be too late.
Why don't they just honor their original TOS? Also, if original backers are still bound by it, doesn't that mean that CIG is too, and that they would HAVE to release the finances as promised?
There should be movie about this, I don't care, Netflix or other cable. Too juicy. Good read for those who don't follow number game.
Also Derek, how big chance they overstate money taken in? Just not to scare people away?
Funny thread about the $750 jpeg http://massivelyop.com/2016/10/04/star-citizen-thinks-someone-will-still-pay-750-for-a-concept-ship/
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They won't without a court case and with a few exceptions the amounts of money involved by most people it's not worth it. It is $10,000 in retainer to get a good ligation firm to file the paper work and it is only going to go up from there. Costs could reach $100,000 pretty easy.
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