The Star Citizen Thread v5

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Also riiiiiight, Derek said that people will come forward (no anonymous tips), and most likely he got them double checked for stuff they have said. That alone shatters subreddit 'warrior' theory in pieces.

Yeah, because if you are involved in legitimate "dirty tricks" you never, EVER, EVER admit anything.

If some off-piste cowboy has got involved and is bragging about it then they (the off-piste cowboy) have just sunk their own (CIG's) battleship.

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It would be beyond hilarious if the anti-Derek hate sub got shut down for spreading negative FUD about CiG.

Asp Explorer would need a double lulz bypass.

I would say that would kind of double win - a) giving impression how toxic and self-serving SC community has become b) instead of "exposing" Derek being obsessed with SC takedown, will give more ammunition to people distancing away from project.

But yeah, obviously it was a fake. Derek might be a bit of nutter (I mean, Derek, I don't post that much on Twitter and I was obsessed with it for some time :D), but I doubt he would damn himself legally without good and verified reason to do so.
 
Yeah, because if you are involved in legitimate "dirty tricks" you never, EVER, EVER admit anything.

If some off-piste cowboy has got involved and is bragging about it then they (the off-piste cowboy) have just sunk their own (CIG's) battleship.

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Indeed.

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I can't see anything shaking the whales at this point.

They've said they don't care if they lose their money.

They've said they don't care how long it takes to produce something releasable.

If CR flat out stated he'd been lying about stuff they'd excuse it.

The only thing that will stop their unwavering support is if the project ceases to be for any reason. And then their support won't matter anymore anyway.

Dealt with this over the past couple days upon telling people I was seeking a refund. I guess funniest part is one of the whales of the org I was in promptly kicked me once I handed over the reigns to someone else because I know if I get a refund my account will get closed.

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This is insanity.

If this is true then it's an absolute, and I mean absolute, PR disaster. Let's hope that it's false as either DS lives by his own words or dies by them. If CIG are seen in anyway complicit then uuurgh.

Example of top league PR/Advertising stuff: ad company that I worked for won a contract with UK govt. When we did we were all, in no uncertain terms, told that if we weren't legal on services that we won the account on then it was a sackable disciplinary offense. Our competitors would rinse us for it if a staff member linked to that company got busted for x.

Reddit is weird. Waters are definitely muddied but unless shennanigans is going on with burner accounts and TOR (or more) then your     is available to the courts. As DS is naming names I'll assume that courts may well be involved somewhen soon.

Sorry if OT.

CIG doesn't want this in the courts publicly because the first thing they will be turning over will be their accounting books as per motions for discovery and those documents entered into the public record as evidence for the world to see.
 

Dude, as a speakthetechnicaltruthnomatterwhat bloody-minded IT idiot who's spent 20+ years in the advertising industry.... I can see soooooo many weird things going on here, and I've seen a lot of weird stuff....

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CIG doesn't want this in the courts publicly because the first thing they will be turning over will be their accounting books as per motions for discovery and those documents entered into the public record as evidence for the world to see.

You know that.

I know that.

But if some unrelated yeeha has, inadvertantly, done something illegal then they're done.
 
Well they have made Derek's name forever synonymous with Star Citizen.

Anyone who searches Reddit Star Citizen will see Derek Smart front and centre on page 1 of the results.

Well done Reddit! You made it happen.

The funny thing is, should SC fail...what do you think the headlines will be? "Chris couldnt make it" or "Derek Smart was right!" what has more impact ? :p
 
Well they have made Derek's name forever synonymous with Star Citizen.

Anyone who searches Reddit Star Citizen will see Derek Smart front and centre on page 1 of the results.

Well done Reddit! You made it happen.
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Lawsuits are pilling up, this is not going to end well, I feel sorry for the devs who are only trying to do their job. This game will stick to them like a smelly dog poo.
End of year will be interesting as it ever can get.
 
I want to be famous too - Gimme a minute...

Minecraft is poo!








(Am I famous yet?)

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The funny thing is, should SC fail...what do you think the headlines will be? "Chris couldnt make it" or "Derek Smart was right!" what has more impact ? :p

Headlines would be = "Kate Windsor has a spot on nose!!" (pics in new special edition!!!).




*edit - Nobody would care :)

*edit 2 - Forgot about the wedding stuff... Not Middleton anymore.
 
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If SC does see release I'll definitely rebuy it.

And if I get grief from mega expensive ships I'll form an Org. Full of players in the same situation as me. And we'll goonswarm (I think that's a word) them for lolz.

There has to be more than 16 players in an instance though...


(I hope I got all the interweb speak right and don't end up looking like a    ).

If that day ever comes...you'll have my axe or winter is coming or something....
 

dsmart

Banned
I think setting Derek up as a scapegoat in the escapist letter was pathetic and more than a little bit daft, as he seems to really enjoy being CiG's pantomime villain.

He's also right, which definitely counts in his favor.

Here's the thing: I simply don't care.

When I wrote that first blog back in July 2015, I knew what I was in for. But what I didn't plan for, was i) to be 100% right ii) croberts would help prove me to be 100% right iii) that this whole thing would blow as it has

What's lost in translation through all this is that my original claim of them being unable to build the game as pitched, has already been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Heck, even croberts own MVP statements from April 18th, helped that narrative along. Not to mention the fact that the "game" remains a        g mess, and SQ42 is still MIA.

I remain 100% confident, and in sound mind and body, that this whole thing is on track for a spectacular collapse.

The biggest liability they have now, is the staged GamesCom 3.0 demo, as well as the promised 3.0 build by year end. As to the demo, as I've learned - no less than 11 people was complicit in putting it together with the sole purpose of deceiving backers when in fact they knew that it wasn't indicative of the game state, nor tagged as R&D. And true to form, croberts went off script with the promises.

And what's distressing is that, for the first time, I have clear evidence of how they did it, who is involved, and what their role was in doing it. There's scam, and then there's outright fraud. There is a difference; but that's for the authorities to sort through.

All I know is that for over a year I've been vilified because I dared to speak out and challenge the complacent Status Quo.

And as I said on twitter a few days ago, I'm writing a blog in which I'm going to spotlight every single dev on this project who was complicit in doing this and complicit in what croberts was doing. They've had enough time to come forward, and going to media as anon sources, simply isn't going to cut it anymore. Which is precisely why those who reached out to me in the past 24hrs, have said that they're willing to go on the record. Which btw, I think is a dumb idea and a huge risk. They're certain the project is on the verge of collapse; so my point is, why not just wait. Waiting means that at the end, the NDA and arbitration clauses all go away; even though they have no place in State/Fed investigations.

For the record. All they had to do was apologize for that July 2015 crap they pulled when they lied and issued a press statement to make things worse, issue refunds (which they only started doing due to on-going pressure), release the financials to backers who were already entitled to them, having missing the 18 month window.

I don't care what anyone thinks or says, I'm sticking to my guns. I'm semi-retired, so I've got nothing but time on my hands. And if anyone knows anything about me, it's that I never give up on anything.
 

dsmart

Banned
Well, Derek gave context that hurricane might hit Florida and he might not be able to post stuff online.

Actually we live inland in Fort Lauderdale; and we have a generator. Due to the length of power loss, we tend to run out of fuel before the power comes back on consistently. And without power, most of the stations are closed. And those with generators and which are open, get lines for miles. So that's the problem.

We used to live in Weston years back, but rented it out on a lease-to-purchase deal with some friends a few years back. So it's just investment property now. We had to move due to my wife opening a second office for her practice. Then driving was became a problem due to her post-cancer treatment. The East coast beach condo on Sunny Isles Beach is another investment property that's empty. I tend to go there a lot because it's less than 10 minutes from my office in Aventura. So basically the storm threatens those coastal properties less than inland ones. However, this being Florida, it all goes pear shaped during tropical storms, let alone hurricanes. The sewer/irrigation systems suck, so everywhere gets flooded like in mere hours. The electricity system is mostly on poles in most places, so we lose power like almost immediately. So all-in-all, it's going to suck, regardless; though it just sucks less being inland than on the coast for this particular storm. Hurricane Sandy was a lot worse since that one hit the coast/land at the same time, then sauntered all the way North in a destructive path.

If anything he says is true, there will be blood. Although we all knew 3.0 felt like concept demo, confirming it (if confirming it) puts spotlight on CR about openly lying knowing 3.0 won't come at the end of the year.

3.0 was staged. He openly lied. This should no longer be in dispute. Even without a smoking gun, it should be evident that 3.0 was a fabrication and was never coming out by end of the year - and certainly won't have any of what croberts was showing at the time.

btw, TheAgent is back. Note how he mentions that 2.6 may have been nixed and they're going straight to 3.0? Remember when I posted that - right in these forums - mere weeks ago?

hello

  • people were still working round the clock to get the sq42 demo done, but
  • they had to "sneak" around their work hours because CIG already had a finger wagged at them for employee overtime, this is illegal as btw
  • the sq42 demo will feature areas already seen in the gamecom reel
  • 2.6 is still MIA, will be most likely be folded into 3.0
  • all work on SC has essentially stopped, whole company is pumping out SQ42 assets/gameplay
  • the majority of time is still spent on getting cut-scenes/in-game character models to function correctly
  • SQ42: prelude release timeline still set for early 2017 (expect a lot of cut-scenes)
  • expect a "ton" of loading screens in SQ42
  • several rewrites and reshoots have happened in the last two years, expect a lot of change from what we've seen
  • there will be different ways to level your SQ42 character and npc wingmen
  • citcon is "heavily SQ42 focused"
  • purchases for single player items will "carry over to the SC experience"
  • "SQ42/SC are now a single, unified, seamless experience"

enjoy the citcon stream, they'll be plenty to talk about
 
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Here's the thing: I simply don't care...

Ditto.

I'd love for SC/SQ42 to be at least decent games.

Will they be? Dunno. Hope so.

But, given my zero dollar investment, I just don't give a <snip>.

I genuinely hope for those who have invested (in any form) that it all works out for the best, but I've just gutted a chicken, and to be honest, the runes don't look good.
 

dsmart

Banned
News from crazy town they're claiming to have tricked Derek with an evil masterplan.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DerekSmart...er_i_was_going_to_post_this/d8gpxfw?context=3

TimKatarn 22 points an hour ago I want to go on record stating that I have sources that may have sent this to him today to discredit him. It wasn't difficult and he is so anxious to use ANYTHING that he will push you for information if you play it off as hesitant to 'come forward' he will believe it. Some of what he is exploding about is off script as he just can't help himself.
For the record none of what he is saying is based in fact. You can't prove my sources didn't send it to you Derek. They are laughing at you as we all are.

You can safely disregard that. It's rubbish. If it was true, they'd post whatever exchange they claimed to have sent. They're cute though; especially how they flail in the winds of denial and fright.

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Fake. People who actually have done this would open himself to sea of legal issues in US. No smart person actually doing this would claim this.

Is Derek sources credible reminds to be seen, but those won't be confirmed or denied by subreddit user :)

Edit: also someone doing this wouldn't do prior Derek posting his blog post or opening himself to court case admitting this on subreddit. No, this guy didn't do this (nor he has sources claiming so).

Precisely. It's his FUD version. It's weak.
 
Despite the unfortunate heavy handed use of cut-scenes and the unsurprising load times, I am slightly lifted that Sq42 will be the headliner at Citcon. It is after all, closest to what I expected when I backed the game.
 
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Well as soon as the feds got enough evidence, they will pull the carpet, then we will see who is still standing.


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dsmart

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I would say that would kind of double win - a) giving impression how toxic and self-serving SC community has become b) instead of "exposing" Derek being obsessed with SC takedown, will give more ammunition to people distancing away from project.

But yeah, obviously it was a fake. Derek might be a bit of nutter (I mean, Derek, I don't post that much on Twitter and I was obsessed with it for some time :D), but I doubt he would damn himself legally without good and verified reason to do so.

No. Because regardless of whether I am right or wrong, my liability insurance would go out the window. Like immediately. Insurance companies love nothing better than to find a reason to deny a claim. I simply don't take chances with legal matters, seeing how many I've been involved in over the years. I'm old school. These kids are completely outmatched, outgunned, and outclassed. No wonder someone is able to - consistently - con them into putting their disability and benefits checks into JPEGs.
 
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Is Sq42 totally going to be on rails between cut-scenes or will I be able to fly around, kill baddies, and do some side missions in between (freelancer, skyrim, etc)?
 
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