The Star Citizen Thread v5

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And now everyone waits for the Hurricane to pass FL, for DS to present his big scoop, and for CitizenCon on Sunday?

I for one would love for Star Citizen to be subjected to a forced reality check. Even if it means heads will be rolling (not that I think that's going to be the case, as the apologists are numerous and very much passible). This charade of over-promising and never delivering while simultaneously emptying gullible space game fans' wallets who might otherwise distribute that money across the various other deserving space game projects has imo gone on for more than long enough.
 
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I for one would love for Star Citizen to be subjected to a forced reality check. Even if it means heads will be rolling (not that I think that's going to be the case, as the apologists are numerous and very much passible). This charade of over-promising and never delivering while simultaneously emptying gullible space game fans' wallets who might otherwise distribute that money across the various other deserving space game projects has imo gone on for more than long enough.

Well, i guess that once DS or anyone get hold of solid, reliable info that confirms the suspicions , the media will jump on the train. I really think that this is the only possible turing point, mass gaming media critically addressing the whole bunch of open questions surrounding SC. Unless this happens, nothing will change, and the show will go on. Of course then next critical point will be the release of SQ42:prelude and the response of the media to this again. In any case, it all depends on the media.
 
Well, i guess that once DS or anyone get hold of solid, reliable info that confirms the suspicions , the media will jump on the train. I really think that this is the only possible turing point, mass gaming media critically addressing the whole bunch of open questions surrounding SC. Unless this happens, nothing will change, and the show will go on. Of course then next critical point will be the release of SQ42:prelude and the response of the media to this again. In any case, it all depends on the media.

If media address it nothing much will change. Cultists already believe media is unjustifiably harsh towards CR and CIG, giving ammo to "ilk" like Derek. They will shrug it off as they did with previous cases of overpromising/underdelivering, will write it off to "growing pains".

Still, it will put off new people to be caught into net.
 
If media address it nothing much will change. Cultists already believe media is unjustifiably harsh towards CR and CIG, giving ammo to "ilk" like Derek. They will shrug it off as they did with previous cases of overpromising/underdelivering, will write it off to "growing pains".

Still, it will put off new people to be caught into net.

It will change once the official narrative will be "SC failed", or "There is no SC and there will never be the SC that was promised". After GC 3.0 demo many journalists were even cautiously optimistic.
 
It will change once the official narrative will be "SC failed", or "There is no SC and there will never be the SC that was promised". After GC 3.0 demo many journalists were even cautiously optimistic.

I doubt the media narrative will change much. On the contrary, general opposition from the media would probably weld believers more closely together and fuel the "us underdogs gainst the unjustified doubters" narrative. The only way that I think would really take the whole construct apart is unrefutable proof that people have been willfully lied to and misled to believe in things that were never in the cards or are not possible with the given budget/teams etc.. But without a "1.0" release of SQ42 and/or SC, this project is "Schroedinger's BDSSE". It's both, the ultimate space game and the largest crowd funding failure at the same time. It just depends on what you believe. Could be that that broken mess "Alpha 2.x" turns into the "BDSSE" with just another 100$ Mio., no?

If there is no such proof, then it's just "game development". We don't understand anything about it, remember? ;) Sure, things go different than planned all the time. What about it? So there's no cocktail mixing mini game with AI passengers? Hey, it could be coming some time down the road, but all the other things (procgen planets) took precedence etc.. Did I mention how fappable all the shaders and high res textures are?


Unless believers will be faced with being actively mislead and lied to (although even that customer service tagging people didn't really harm CIG much in the end) or the whole project is subjected to a reality check like the NMS release, the charade goes on and on and...

Wanna buy an Idris? ;)


Btw, this graphic made by an org from another forum tells a lot about the fantasies Star Citizen fuels in people. I know, because for a brief period between 2014 and 2015 I fell victim to the hype. :p It contains the ships from backing packages from a number of people in that forum alone.

S6WvsAi.png

How many of those ships can be in a single instance again? How much crew does a single of the larger ships require? Nevermind, how do capital ships in Star Citizen's PU work again?
 
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Btw, this graphic made by an org from another forum tells a lot the fantasies Star Citizen fuels in people. I know, because for a brief period between 2014 and 2015 I fell victim to the hype. :p It contains the ships from backing packages from a number of people in that forum alone.


Ho many of those ships can be in a single instane again? How much crew does a single of the larger ships require?

Someone should show them that there are things like pen and paper RPG. It's a great concept, and big fun if played with others that have some imagination. They have.
 
Btw, this graphic made by an org from another forum tells a lot the fantasies Star Citizen fuels in people. I know, because for a brief period between 2014 and 2015 I fell victim to the hype. :p It contains the ships from backing packages from a number of people in that forum alone.


Ho many of those ships can be in a single instance again? How much crew does a single of the larger ships require? Nevermind, how do capital ships in Star Citizen's PU work again?

Ohhh infamous "Goons are coming to SC" infograph :D Yeah, how time flies....and most of those ships aren't even seen in game yet.
 
Why is it called that? Did "Goons" start making those infographics? But no, it's not from something awful. :p
I think this infogram was shown on FD forums as example of how engaged players are with SC and how they are getting ready for all player on player action. It was 2013 I think, when SC was claimed to come out "very soon".
 
FLJK fleet - 800 goons - nearly $300k of ships - some now famous names and refunders.

No I wasn't part of it - it got linked on the RSI forum I think - wonder how many are still in?
 

How many of those ships can be in a single instance again? How much crew does a single of the larger ships require? Nevermind, how do capital ships in Star Citizen's PU work again?
that's amazing.

i think the fact that none of them can do the math and realise how utterly farcical that is should probably imply these people shouldn't be being parted with their money. It's not fair as their judgement is clearly impaired somehow.

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What this whole charade needs is an "Emperors New Clothes" moment at CitizenCon.
I can see it coming - if Derek's 'reveal' hits at all it could only take someone properly standing up and asking simple questions rather than applauding while foaming at the mouth.
 
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Back then it was more a case of "Look how big our underpants are! Goonlols are going to clobber you all with this!" rather than an expectation of what players might reasonably expect to encounter in a multiplayer instance.

Of course, nothing much has progressed since then, and a multiplayer instance still consists of rubber banding noodlemen in underpants, nonexistent physics, and groups of lost socks.
 
What this whole charade needs is an "Emperors New Clothes" moment at CitizenCon.

It already happened, the clip of him trying to play the game and failing miserably whilst being totally unfamiliar with what was in it should have been a revelation.

[video=youtube;ZWq8ynUq7wM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWq8ynUq7wM[/video]

Somehow people still believe.
 
I doubt the media narrative will change much. On the contrary, general opposition from the media would probably weld believers more closely together and fuel the "us underdogs gainst the unjustified doubters" narrative. The only way that I think would really take the whole construct apart is unrefutable proof that people have been willfully lied to and misled to believe in things that were never in the cards or are not possible with the given budget/teams etc.. But without a "1.0" release of SQ42 and/or SC, this project is "Schroedinger's BDSSE". It's both, the ultimate space game and the largest crowd funding failure at the same time. It just depends on what you believe. Could be that that broken mess "Alpha 2.x" turns into the "BDSSE" with just another 100$ Mio., no?

If there is no such proof, then it's just "game development". We don't understand anything about it, remember? ;) Sure, things go different than planned all the time. What about it? So there's no cocktail mixing mini game with AI passengers? Hey, it could be coming some time down the road, but all the other things (procgen planets) took precedence etc.. Did I mention how fappable all the shaders and high res textures are?


Unless believers will be faced with being actively mislead and lied to (although even that customer service tagging people didn't really harm CIG much in the end) or the whole project is subjected to a reality check like the NMS release, the charade goes on and on and...

Wanna buy an Idris? ;)


Btw, this graphic made by an org from another forum tells a lot about the fantasies Star Citizen fuels in people. I know, because for a brief period between 2014 and 2015 I fell victim to the hype. :p It contains the ships from backing packages from a number of people in that forum alone.


How many of those ships can be in a single instance again? How much crew does a single of the larger ships require? Nevermind, how do capital ships in Star Citizen's PU work again?

How many of those ships will EVER see the light of day?? besides a 2D representation JPEG.
 
It already happened, the clip of him trying to play the game and failing miserably whilst being totally unfamiliar with what was in it should have been a revelation.


Somehow people still believe.

Well, there is an argument to be made that a creative director shouldn't get too overly attached to a build too soon. You know what you want to achieve and that the current build doesn't achieve it. If you get too involved with the intricacies of how it works you start to forgive it for things, once you've opened that chat panel you don't like for the 100th time you just accept it. Which is what seems to happen with quite a few players on pre-alpha/alpha builds. That de-coupled flight model switching in the early Alpha was "Just fine" the way it was according to the people that had played it so many times they got good at it. I can forgive Roberts for being about as good at the current PU as I am, because I'm happy that he knows what he wants is something different. I sure hope he wants something different!

In contrast though, I do remember the first night in February 2014 when Frontier made the very early alpha of ED multi-player available. I "selected" the asteroid field (ethics & credits) scenario, I was familiar with the controls from playing the Single player Alpha that launched at the end of 2013, but like everyone else I had no idea how to fight another player - I had no idea how the new weapons worked and the heat mechanics. I'll never forget coming across a certain commander Braben who seemed to be quite good at playing his own game.

[video=youtube;rXtAS2C79r8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXtAS2C79r8[/video]
 
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If you even think for a second that anyone within those studios would keep quiet about a scam this big you may need to take a healthy dose of Olanzapine to cure those voices. I mean Jesus, can we have some conversation that doesn't boarder on schizophrenic theories or hair-brained musings that have little objectivity?

Excuse me, but where did you get the idea anybody here takes Star Citizen for a scam?
 
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