So you want to know about the Formidine Rift? (Part 3)

[Jaiotu]

Already discussed on the UA thread yesterday, see https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...8-The-Canonn?p=4611880&viewfull=1#post4611880

Yeah, figures

I have a hard time reading that thread because it moves too fast for me keep up [wacky]

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With some careful plotting and a bit of FSD boosting, I made it to SYREADIAE GZ-E D12-0.

http://imgur.com/a/rD0TH

Aside from the fact that it's a neutron star, it seems there's nothing special about the system. The challenge of finding a route there was the most interesting thing I've done on this whole trip, though, so it was certainly worth the detour anyway. Thanks for the suggestion. [smile]

The last two images are included to mark the curious phenomenon of the Heart nebula disappearing and reappearing at certain distances; this is almost certainly a bug.

-Anyway, I need to stretch my realworld legs for a bit now. Still open for suggestions to go look at stuff, provided I can make it there without stranding myself; I'm almost out of the big boosters, and really not in the mood for any more hours of surface crawling. [zZzZz]
Otherwise, I'll go have a look at Hypo Aeb AA-A h0, and then I'll definitely be turning back home.

Awesome work Commander! Thanks for the effort and thanks for the pictures.

I'm not sure if Cas A has anything to do with the Rift mystery but I'm kind of fixated on finding it so I appreciate your hard work.

 

[Muetdhiver]

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I'm not sure if Cas A has anything to do with the Rift mystery but I'm kind of fixated on finding it so I appreciate your hard work.

Best of luck with that. I spend weeks looking for it and Tycho, to no avail. It's a tad odd as both are important historical SN.
There is also SN 1181 that is supposedly close to the rift area (close so than Tycho and Cas A).

May you be more fortunate ^^

 

[Jaiotu]

Best of luck with that. I spend weeks looking for it and Tycho, to no avail. It's a tad odd as both are important historical SN.
There is also SN 1181 that is supposedly close to the rift area (close so than Tycho and Cas A).

May you be more fortunate ^^

Please don your tinfoil hats before continuing.

Spoiler

Maybe they are gone because someone has found a way to harness entire neutron stars as a power source. Or a weapon.
What if Kahina went to SOL to verify that these missing "Rift Objects" were actually recorded correctly?

You may now remove your tinfoil and return your seats to the upright position.

 

[Han_Zen]

Please don your tinfoil hats before continuing.

Spoiler

Maybe they are gone because someone has found a way to harness entire neutron stars as a power source. Or a weapon.
What if Kahina went to SOL to verify that these missing "Rift Objects" were actually recorded correctly?

You may now remove your tinfoil and return your seats to the upright position.

When it comes to Cas A, it's not strange that we can't find it. The radio source flux density is decreasing with about 1% per year (as of 2016). Viewed from earth, the radio source is practically gone in 3302.
Going out to where the remnant is supposed to to be, adds another 11000 years to the process. This should leave just a regular neutron star.

The position of Cas A is as accurate as it can be. Galactic coordinates 111.7°, -2.1° and distance 11,000ly, still leaves a huge region to search for 'just a regular neutron star'.

 

[Jaiotu]

When it comes to Cas A, it's not strange that we can't find it. The radio source flux density is decreasing with about 1% per year (as of 2016). Viewed from earth, the radio source is practically gone in 3302.
Going out to where the remnant is supposed to to be, adds another 11000 years to the process. This should leave just a regular neutron star.

The position of Cas A is as accurate as it can be. Galactic coordinates 111.7°, -2.1° and distance 11,000ly, still leaves a huge region to search for 'just a regular neutron star'.

The radio source is decreasing at 1% but the "planetary nebula" surrounding Cas A should still be around for at least another 10,000 years. Cas A should appear in the galaxy map as something similar to this:

Spoiler

It's odd that other known PN exist in the game and are correctly named but Cas A appears to be missing.

 

[Muetdhiver]

When it comes to Cas A, it's not strange that we can't find it. The radio source flux density is decreasing with about 1% per year (as of 2016). Viewed from earth, the radio source is practically gone in 3302.
Going out to where the remnant is supposed to to be, adds another 11000 years to the process. This should leave just a regular neutron star.

The position of Cas A is as accurate as it can be. Galactic coordinates 111.7°, -2.1° and distance 11,000ly, still leaves a huge region to search for 'just a regular neutron star'.

Indeed. I found something like 5-6 neutron stars over that region (search window from 3Kpc to 4Kpc). All of them proc gen as far as I can tell.

However, ED sky is based on ours (i.e. at our time), so it should still be some remanant there (since ED does not correct for distance - time).

Tycho is even worse, since it was a SN Ia (no remaining object). I tried to locate the supposed G2 star companion to no avail.

edit : Anyhow, with Cas A at ~110° and Tycho at ~120°, we are quite far out of the search area given the latest clues. (would still be nice if FD where to put them in).

For SN1181 (+130.7° +3.1°), it fits within the EAFOTS area, depending on the distance estimates (2.0 - 2.6 Kpc). I did not do an in depth survey for this one, only
quick glances that revealed nothing.

 

[Han_Zen]

The radio source is decreasing at 1% but the "planetary nebula" surrounding Cas A should still be around for at least another 10,000 years. Cas A should appear in the galaxy map as something similar to this:

Spoiler

http://s19.postimg.org/5njehh0yb/byua_aim_nebula.jpg

It's odd that other known PN exist in the game and are correctly named but Cas A appears to be missing.

Perhaps barnacles ate the nebulae?

Joking aside, it's not unreasonable to think that Kahina went to Cambridge to look at old copies of the Cambridge Catalogue of Radio Sources.

 

[Muetdhiver]

Perhaps barnacles ate the nebulae?

Joking aside, it's not unreasonable to think that Kahina went to Cambridge to look at old copies of the Cambridge Catalogue of Radio Sources.

My thinking when going nuts after Cas A. I buckyballed the 11K lyr in two evenings. Was totaly awesome, with all the chat with LuckyLuke.

It fitted a lot of clues really well, like 7 veils, less nebulous, cambridge, Kahina if stretched to aetiopian queen, core of the problem, earth visit "most enlightening", ... , and so on.

Was quite the dud XD.

 

[Darth_Angelus]

The radio source is decreasing at 1% but the "planetary nebula" surrounding Cas A should still be around for at least another 10,000 years. Cas A should appear in the galaxy map as something similar to this:

Spoiler

http://s19.postimg.org/5njehh0yb/byua_aim_nebula.jpg

It's odd that other known PN exist in the game and are correctly named but Cas A appears to be missing.

What if it does appear in the game like that, but not on the galactic map. Remember from an in world perspective, the galactic map is software that is made by people who don't want us to access certain systems (all of the mysterious permit locked systems), so they could easily remove things like a nebula they don't want anyone investigating.

However, it could still be visible in the skybox once someone is close enough.

 

[Siranui]

The position of Cas A is as accurate as it can be. Galactic coordinates 111.7°, -2.1° and distance 11,000ly, still leaves a huge region to search for 'just a regular neutron star'.

It would perhaps be trivially easy to discover if our ships were equipped with something as frighteningly high-tech as a directional radio receiver... [sad]

 

[Siranui]

What if it does appear in the game like that, but not on the galactic map. Remember from an in world perspective, the galactic map is software that is made by people who don't want us to access certain systems (all of the mysterious permit locked systems), so they could easily remove things like a nebula they don't want anyone investigating.

This line of thought provides an interesting solve as regards what the Rift, Conflux and Hawkin's Gap have in common: None of them are marked on the map: They are pilot lore. This shines a light onto there being two realities in the game's galaxy: The physical reality and the reality presented to us through our navigational computer. Which do we blindly accept as 'more real'?

Is the conspiracy not that all of the weird stuff going on is genuinely linked, but instead that the thing these places in common is that they are deemed by some Bubble-spanning authority to be 'dark places' and off our navigational computers? And if so, who are they and how do they have this much influence/power. What is their full catalogue of 'dark systems', and does it even know why they are all deemed dark? Does this organisation have the answers, or is its remit merely to obfuscate? Just who are the people who program the navigation data for every pilot in the Bubble answerable to?


[For me this flavour of conspiracy is much more satisfying than the idea that all of our disparate-seeming threads of mystery are all genuinely linked in causation. It keeps independent threads of mystery separate, while providing an additional overall mystery. For me, that provides a much richer game-galaxy: The idea that there is only one, over-riding story-line.]

 

[Jaiotu]

This line of thought provides an interesting solve as regards what the Rift, Conflux and Hawkin's Gap have in common: None of them are marked on the map: They are pilot lore. This shines a light onto there being two realities in the game's galaxy: The physical reality and the reality presented to us through our navigational computer. Which do we blindly accept as 'more real'?

Is the conspiracy not that all of the weird stuff going on is genuinely linked, but instead that the thing these places in common is that they are deemed by some Bubble-spanning authority to be 'dark places' and off our navigational computers? And if so, who are they and how do they have this much influence/power. What is their full catalogue of 'dark systems', and does it even know why they are all deemed dark? Does this organisation have the answers, or is its remit merely to obfuscate? Just who are the people who program the navigation data for every pilot in the Bubble answerable to?


[For me this flavour of conspiracy is much more satisfying than the idea that all of our disparate-seeming threads of mystery are all genuinely linked in causation. It keeps independent threads of mystery separate, while providing an additional overall mystery. For me, that provides a much richer game-galaxy: The idea that there is only one, over-riding story-line.]

Somebody wants to shutdown galactic exploration.

26 AUG 3302 – Galactic News: Explorers Urged to be Cautious
"In his keynote speech at a recent conference, Karl Devene, head of the Federal Astrocartography Department, warned would-be explorers of the dangers of venturing into the void"

07 OCT 3302 – Galactic News: Exploration or Surveillance?
"Sending pilots into the void is fraught with danger. These probes can go further and faster than a human pilot, at much reduced cost and with, I daresay, more reliability. We've been working closely with the Mars High Astrocartography department on the probes' design."

I would venture to guess that the Federal Astrocartography Department and the Mars High Astrocartography department are one and the same. "They" don't want us out here probing the darkness. These Federation/Sirius probes are likely armed and ready to initiate an all-out war on us explorers. Time to give my Asp some teeth.

 

[Râgnôs]

Cryptography isn't my strong point but can one use cellular message encryption algorithm on the "OTSEAFOTSEAF" signal?

 

[Han_Zen]

It would perhaps be trivially easy to discover if our ships were equipped with something as frighteningly high-tech as a directional radio receiver... [sad]

If you listen to the sky form normal space, there are some quirky sounds that only comes from some regions. The galaxy core is far more noisy and has a lot of different sounds. As far as I know, there has never been a serious attempt to decipher these sounds. It is possible that certain systems make certain sounds, but I'm not sure about this.

 

[Siranui]

Time to give my Asp some teeth.

Might I recommend highly Engineered Lightweight teeth, backed up by some Lightweight seeker missiles? For around 6T of payload, one can wreck the living daylights out of something.

 

[Muetdhiver]

What if it does appear in the game like that, but not on the galactic map. Remember from an in world perspective, the galactic map is software that is made by people who don't want us to access certain systems (all of the mysterious permit locked systems), so they could easily remove things like a nebula they don't want anyone investigating.

However, it could still be visible in the skybox once someone is close enough.

Indeed, this is which when doing the Survey I tried to keep my eyes peeled for any un-mapped planetary nebula. (while being sure to do so at > 1000ls than the star)
No sucess...

Might I recommend highly Engineered Lightweight teeth, backed up by some Lightweight seeker missiles? For around 6T of payload, one can wreck the living daylights out of something.

I plan to do somthing along those line.

 

[Râgnôs]

Might I recommend highly Engineered Lightweight teeth, backed up by some Lightweight seeker missiles? For around 6T of payload, one can wreck the living daylights out of something.

I "might" have Light-weight torps with reverb cascade, pulse distrupters an a pair of railguns...

 

[Han_Zen]

Might I recommend highly Engineered Lightweight teeth, backed up by some Lightweight seeker missiles? For around 6T of payload, one can wreck the living daylights out of something.

I don't think it will take heavy artillery to dispatch of these probes. Pulse lasers should be good enough, I think. Ammo restock is way to time consuming, when exploring.

If these probes actually shoot they are bound to drop some goodies as well, so it might be attractive to shoot a lot of them.

 

[Jaiotu]

I don't think it will take heavy artillery to dispatch of these probes. Pulse lasers should be good enough, I think. Ammo restock is way to time consuming, when exploring.

If these probes actually shoot they are bound to drop some goodies as well, so it might be attractive to shoot a lot of them.

I'm thinking something similar. Michael Brooks once said that he'd like exploration to be more dangerous but I don't think they are going to do that by dropping Thargoids on us. It'll be more like the "frog in the boiling water" analogy ... they'll slowly turn up the heat on us.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

If you listen to the sky form normal space, there are some quirky sounds that only comes from some regions. The galaxy core is far more noisy and has a lot of different sounds. As far as I know, there has never been a serious attempt to decipher these sounds. It is possible that certain systems make certain sounds, but I'm not sure about this.

there was, about a year ago, a youtube that someone had done analysing the various sounds from different types of planet; unfortunately I have lost the url