The Star Citizen Thread v5

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i3 with 4 gigs of RAM and a 2 gigs GPU

That is already a weak PC by today's standards. You wont be able to properly play several titles already released on the last year.

I got an i7-4790K with 16gigs of RAM and a GTX 970 and i already can't play several games at full detail...
 
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That is already a weak PC by today's standards. You wont be able to properly play several titles already released on the last year.

Mind you, I find I'm able to play ED with no less that 2 cores fewer, than the minimum specs (playing 2.1 at least on a dual core laptop). I think the point is, if SC relies on fidelity, rather than the experience, too much, dialling back the resolution might end up unduly damaging the experience?
 

jcrg99

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If you don't mind I will answer that. Care of Gamers Nexus.

GN Parts List
Component
Retail Price
CPU
Intel i7-5820K 3.3GHz Stock
$389
GPU
ASUS ROG GTX 1080 Strix
$710
Memory
64GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4 (speed unspecified)
~$230~$400
Motherboard
ASUS X99-A (model unspecified)
No specific model
Case
Corsair Vengeance C70
$101
Total w/o PSU, SSD, etc.
 
~$1700 +/- $300 for board & RAM

Yep. That pretty much ends the debate.

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I'm going to say something positive about CIG now, so brace yourself:

I got a refund and it only took two days. Now, with these $60 i'm going to buy the new COD or Titanfall 2. Yeah, real games!


I noticed that they are giving refunds a lot faster than before? You are not the first that I hear to say that in the last days. Did they deny you first or anything?

Interesting. This kind of thing usually happens with FTC or other consumer authority sends a letter to a business, as a last warning before opening a case.
 
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Mind you, I find I'm able to play ED with no less that 2 cores fewer, than the minimum specs (playing 2.1 at least on a dual core laptop). I think the point is, if SC relies on fidelity, rather than the experience, too much, dialling back the resolution might end up unduly damaging the experience?


I guess it all depends on how much they can optimize their stuff. We will see.
 

jcrg99

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I guess it all depends on how much they can optimize their stuff. We will see.

By the time that they figure out that, competitors by themselves (or even by stealing the info of how RSI managed to solve the technical hurdles - if they ever solve them) will deliver more and better, possibly in higher fidelity, or maybe just near enough, but practical and with better gameplay. Not the same game, but with a feature set/feeling enough that will make Star Citizen to get stale. To seem old. To seem a clone of others released earlier, with too much controversy and backe effort spent in something... absolutely... meh.
So... the SC effort brings a possible legacy to the game industry, because some research may be bring some new magic code to be reproduced in other games /devs, but is pointless to Star Citizen and RSI itself and its backers, due this simple reality of how the market and this industry works.

Besides, people paid to get a game delivered that was advertised as designed, with an acceptable timeline, just needing money to be implemented/released. People were lead to believe that giving them more money would just make they put other things in the dev pipeline, instead putting "research" to figure out if maybe would be possible to realize the dream in the pipeline.

That's the big problem with this project, if you believe in the good faith of the devs willing to deliver something (which it's not my case by the way, I believe that they know that the project is a certain flop and just decided to make as more money as possible on it). But if you believe in their good faith, anyway, they made this mistake, and guess what, this mistake is called scamming consumers, false advertising, deceptive marketing and is against the law. Because they had and have the legal obligation of not been deceptive and not mislead consumers. And that's what they did for years.
 
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It goes without saying that the build costs of that PC will be much higher in the UK. It does match my system very closely, apart from the graphics card (an R290).
I built it purely to run ED in VR. I will need a new graphics card in the near future. PC gaming ain't cheap.
 
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That is already a weak PC by today's standards. You wont be able to properly play several titles already released on the last year.

I got an i7-4790K with 16gigs of RAM and a GTX 970 and i already can't play several games at full detail...

Like what?

I've got an i5-4690K with 8GB and a 970 and I've only been sort of limited...Like, crazy hair in Witcher 3 wasn't considered optimal on all characters but I enabled it anyway and it was fine.

Also, it helps pointing out resolution anymore now. I'm perfectly happy running at less than 1080p if it means graphical effects such as lighting can be pushed to the max. I get way more out of that than pushing my resolution to heights I can't even discern.

VR and 4k are the only things my rig would struggle with and each of them seem as wasteful of my money as a Polaris.
 
By the time that they figure out that, competitors by themselves (or even by stealing the info of how RSI managed to solve the technical hurdles - if they ever solve them) will deliver more and better, possibly in higher fidelity, or maybe just near enough, but practical and with better gameplay. Not the same game, but with a feature set/feeling enough that will make Star Citizen to get stale. To seem old. To seem a clone of others released earlier, with too much controversy and backe effort spent in something... absolutely... meh.
So... the SC effort brings a possible legacy to the game industry, because some research may be bring some new magic code to be reproduced in other games /devs, but is pointless to Star Citizen and RSI itself and its backers, due this simple reality of how the market and this industry works.

Besides, people paid to get a game delivered that was advertised as designed, with an acceptable timeline, just needing money to be implemented/released. People were lead to believe that giving them more money would just make they put other things in the dev pipeline, instead putting "research" to figure out if maybe would be possible to realize the dream in the pipeline.

That's the big problem with this project, if you believe in the good faith of the devs willing to deliver something (which it's not my case by the way, I believe that they know that the project is a certain flop and just decided to make as more money as possible on it). But if you believe in their good faith, anyway, they made this mistake, and guess what, this mistake is called scamming consumers, false advertising, deceptive marketing and is against the law. Because they had and have the legal obligation of not been deceptive and not mislead consumers. And that's what they did for years.

Pretty much all of this are your personal opinions. However, the difference between facts and opinions/speculations has been already discussed to death on this thread, so i wont go again into a long and heated discussion about this.

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Like what?

I've got an i5-4690K with 8GB and a 970 and I've only been sort of limited...Like, crazy hair in Witcher 3 wasn't considered optimal on all characters but I enabled it anyway and it was fine.

Also, it helps pointing out resolution anymore now. I'm perfectly happy running at less than 1080p if it means graphical effects such as lighting can be pushed to the max. I get way more out of that than pushing my resolution to heights I can't even discern.

VR and 4k are the only things my rig would struggle with and each of them seem as wasteful of my money as a Polaris.

Witcher 3, Tom Clancy's The Division, The Crew, Forza Horizon 3... those you can't play at 1080p with highest detail (that includes hairworks in Witcher 3)
 
Yep. That pretty much ends the debate.

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I noticed that they are giving refunds a lot faster than before? You are not the first that I hear to say that in the last days. Did they deny you first or anything?

Interesting. This kind of thing usually happens with FTC or other consumer authority sends a letter to a business, as a last warning before opening a case.

Nope, only asked once to watch citizencon demo and reconsider, i declined. For be fair, i didn't see any money, they just said that it will be charged back.
 
Also, it helps pointing out resolution anymore now. I'm perfectly happy running at less than 1080p if it means graphical effects such as lighting can be pushed to the max. I get way more out of that than pushing my resolution to heights I can't even discern.

VR and 4k are the only things my rig would struggle with and each of them seem as wasteful of my money as a Polaris.
Can't agree enough with this - I upgraded with nvidia's new line but until then had been having a frankly gorgeous time in almost anything running 720p instead.
 

jcrg99

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Pretty much all of this are your personal opinions. However, the difference between facts and opinions/speculations has been already discussed to death on this thread, so i wont go again into a long and heated discussion about this.
Wait. So you are basically saying that what you have been saying here are facts, not your opinion or speculation? I mean. This discussion started with this:

Oh, they already shut up the naysayers with the editor presentation. You know, what we saw in the editor, people claimed "it can't be done". Well, it's been done now.
Of course, there are still going to be people who close their eyes, put their fingers on their ears and sing "lalalala i can't hear anything", but those are an insignificant minority.
 
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Not sure what you are about. SRVs look and work in ED very believably.

SRVs in ED drive and feel like RC toys. But putting that aside, wheels tend to hover or get stuck above the surface every now and then, especially when you hit bumpy terrain. Besides, collision model is often plain hillarious, hitboxes tend to intersect with terrain in wildly unpredictable ways and so on.

But it`s not such a big deal here though, and shouldn`t be a big deal in that SC demo either. I just find it interesting that SC gets so much flak even for something so minor like SRV wheels not touching the surface perfectly. Come on...
 
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Wait. So you are basically saying that what you have been saying here are facts, not your opinion or speculation?

Someone criticised me a few days ago for saying "i guess" "my opinion" etc... many times on my posts. I guess that answers your question.

Of course, when i post stuff like that the lower image is an improvement over the upper one (see below), that's a fact:

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SRVs in ED drive and feel like RC toys. But putting that aside, wheels tend to hover above the surface every now and then, especially when you hit bumpy terrain. It`s not a big deal though, and it`s not big geal in that SC demo either.

Indeed, it is completely nitpicky to point it out. However, there is only one out there that claims to have ground-breaking fidelity...so criticism should be expected.

The main issue at hand though, is that CIG/RSI have only accomplished adding to the standing narrative that they can't release things when they say they will release and they can't release things with the same features they say they will have.

Time and time again, delayed with less than promised. Confidence in the project is at rock bottom, for me.
 

jcrg99

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Someone criticised me a few days ago for saying "i guess" "my opinion" etc... many times on my posts. I guess that answers your question.

No. You just tried to dismiss opinions, speculation and make yours sound as facts, instead your own opinion/speculation.

Anyway, backing to the point that you tried to deviate with unrelated comments, you pretty much said a thing, that was proven wrong once again, because nobody said that "an editor can't be done", but you tried to make to appear that people said that and now RSI prove them wrong.

You should just admit that was wrong in your statement and move on. That was what a mature person, as I saw you claiming that you are many times, would do.
 
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I'm going to say something positive about CIG now, so brace yourself:

I got a refund and it only took two days. Now, with these $60 i'm going to buy the new COD or Titanfall 2. Yeah, real games!

+1

Well done mate. I don't think there's a snowballs chance in hell you'll regret it in any way.
 
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