The Star Citizen Thread v5

[Toumal]

https://youtu.be/fDROliuDczo?t=534

8:58-9:48

That was September 24th 2016, about two weeks before citizencon. And that was not the message received and re-broadcast by the followers, because before they were saying that SQ42 would be shown there. As dsmart said on his youtube thing, SQ42 was an "on again, off again" thing.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/syst...ngle-player-sq42-missions-will-be-s-33362114/

Star Citizen Single Player SQ42 missions will be shown at Citizencon. Procedural planets with forest as well!

And a user named Cloud_Imperium chimes in with a very measured and cautious...

RIP other games.

And here's a quote from Chris Roberts a few weeks earlier:

"We're […] taking one of the missions that's in Squadron 42 and showing how that would feel, from the briefing, to the ship, to taking off, to the mission, and the combination of flying and FPS stuff, so those are the two things we're going to show. We're going to show full-focus this is what V2 planets can do for you, then this is what Squadron 42 is going to feel like and play like, and this is the experience of a mission in SQ42...."

So yes, two weeks before Citizencon CR was starting to dial down the expectations for a SQ42 demo at Citcon. But before then, it was definitely going to show SQ42.


Also, if you're thinking that this demo is in any way shape or form representative:

For the CitizenCon demo, though, a special planet has been created for a “Homestead demo.” This planet is more Earth-like in its biome distribution, containing forests, oceans, mountains, and deserts; the Homestead demo won't see inclusion in 3.0 and is purpose-built for the CitizenCon unveil of Planets V2

 

[Voivod]

Wow the amount of hate on this forum is really a bad image on the name of frontier.

What on earth does Frontier have to do with a poster's opinion?

Since when is it alright to call someone's genuine dad a fake spineless sellout? I mean come on guys at the end of the day you might not like the game but being this hateful really pushes it.

The fact that it someone's dad has nothing to do with it. Being a DAD doesn't automatically make you right or beyond criticism.
Also I think NEO-ST confused Dad Lando with Disco Lando.

Sorry but this kind of attitude makes the world a worse place not a better one. Sad to see that Frontier forums became a hideout for this.

This again. Frontier has nothing to do with what posters post on their forums.
Also are you trying to make the world a better place by consistently posting SC propaganda?

 

[ZeeWolf]

My point is this, these studios and developers have delivered, they have earned faith and trust from those that like their work. What exactly has Chris and CIG/RSI achieved to earn the adulation, trust and faith of people? People's bars for trust and faith should go well beyond some pretty tech demos, some nice jpegs, a fish tank and a tiny, buggy pre alpha. I get some of those heavily invested in SC are blinkered by their investment, but seriously, Chris and CIG/RSI need to be held to higher standards, and those invested in SC should question where the standards they should hold them to should really be.

Good question. He made some games that are held in high regard from the 90's

So did Peter Molyneux, loads of really great titles. Populous, Theme Park, Syndicate, Magic Carpet, Dungeon Keeper

The difference maybe, Roberts left Freelancer and just went to make movies.

Molyneux continued to try while the world of making ambitious games became infinitely more complicated.

People trust Roberts because he's so deeply ingrained into their growing up. It's pure nostalgia.

People trusted Molyneux to make a fairly simple Populus type game (Godus), even though his track record was getting a bit shaky they still trusted him - maybe based on their belief that it'd be like the Amiga days.

Maybe David Braben could have made the same mistake, but his nostagia fan-base was mostly in the UK and we're a cynical bunch of so and so's. We all got a bit fed up of hearing he was going to make Elite 4 every few years anyway.

 

[GaryII]

Wow the amount of hate on this forum is really a bad image on the name of frontier. Since when is it alright to call someone's genuine dad a fake spineless sellout? I mean come on guys at the end of the day you might not like the game but being this hateful really pushes it.
Sorry but this kind of attitude makes the world a worse place not a better one. Sad to see that Frontier forums became a hideout for this.

And what you expect here...since some part of SC community is the same about Elite...
And also latest delays and in general current state of SC also does not help..just adds more controversy/hate...

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Also, if you're thinking that this demo is in any way shape or form representative:

Tell that to wast crowd of SC supporters I get jumped upon every time I mention it Even Hi-Ban claims it is part of 3.0.

 

[Toumal]

Tell that to wast crowd of SC supporters I get jumped upon every time I mention it Even Hi-Ban claims it is part of 3.0.

Well then Hi-Ban knows more/different than Chris Roberts himself, because Chris Roberts said otherwise.

 

[ZeeWolf]

Wow the amount of hate on this forum is really a bad image on the name of frontier. Since when is it alright to call someone's genuine dad a fake spineless sellout? I mean come on guys at the end of the day you might not like the game but being this hateful really pushes it.

Sorry but this kind of attitude makes the world a worse place not a better one. Sad to see that Frontier forums became a hideout for this.

Trying to make it Frontier's responsibility to ensure a subforum on their website adheres to your own point of view is low in itself really. Really, what are you asking for? That we are all responsible for what everyone else posts, because it doesn't look good for Frontier?

The forum certainly has rules, but I'm not sure if being mildly insulting towards someone in a video is against them is it?

While I agree that it isn't a very nice thing to say about someone merely being enthusiastic about space games, we could pop over to the SC forum and say that about Derek Smart I think if you don't think someone is being nice say so, but trying to make it the fault of Frontier and everyone who plays ED is way OTT

 

[Theodrid]

Good question. He made some games that are held in high regard from the 90's

So did Peter Molyneux, loads of really great titles. Populous, Theme Park, Syndicate, Magic Carpet, Dungeon Keeper

The difference maybe, Roberts left Freelancer and just went to make movies.

Molyneux continued to try while the world of making ambitious games became infinitely more complicated.

People trust Roberts because he's so deeply ingrained into their growing up. It's pure nostalgia.

People trusted Molyneux to make a fairly simple Populus type game (Godus), even though his track record was getting a bit shaky they still trusted him - maybe based on their belief that it'd be like the Amiga days.

Maybe David Braben could have made the same mistake, but his nostagia fan-base was mostly in the UK and we're a cynical bunch of so and so's. We all got a bit fed up of hearing he was going to make Elite 4 every few years anyway.

Some good points there Z, I suppose if I'm being honest I never thought anything Chris did was that brilliant or groundbreaking, the games of his from the decade/era you refer to ranged from okay to fairly good for me. And, I realise this is all personal opinion, games like Elite, Elite II Frontier, GTA, Mass Effect and a few more were way above anything Chris achieved. Those games I've mentioned, and a few more besides broke moulds, raised bars and delivered excellence beyond their eras. For me Chris has often talked the talk but hasn't really walked the walk, I kind of wish he had and maybe will.

I sincerely hope SC makes it, because, to be honest the fallout for it's failure to do so barely bares thinking about, the fact that Chris has some 'previous' in this area does not help in regards o any trust and faith I may have/have had in him and CIG/RSI.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Wow the amount of hate on this forum is really a bad image on the name of frontier. Since when is it alright to call someone's genuine dad a fake spineless sellout? I mean come on guys at the end of the day you might not like the game but being this hateful really pushes it.

Sorry but this kind of attitude makes the world a worse place not a better one. Sad to see that Frontier forums became a hideout for this.

Cut this fake sadness. People have rights to call things as they see. Frontier doesn't endorse or support those views, they are poster's alone. I wouldn't call Lando a sellout, I just think all so called high profile SC backers have way too cosy relationship with CIG and CR. That shows. And in times like these it is really something SC and SQ42 shouldn't have.

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Well then Hi-Ban knows more/different than Chris Roberts himself, because Chris Roberts said otherwise.

Nothing stands in a way of true believer - even if demigod says things otherwise. True believer already knows it isn't true.

 

[hairychris]

If CIG are opening a studio in Brno then that's very interesting. A lot of multinationals use Czech Republic, Slovakia, etc for engineering (physical and IT) as wages are a lot lower, a lot of younger folks especially speak English or German, and communications/transport with western Europe are very good. The company that I work for had a Bratislava studio for European web work at one point. Not sure if we still do.

Any studio there will be locally staffed and any relocated staff would have to take a pay cut, I'd imagine.

Brno's a really nice place, by the way. It's also the Czech "party city" apparently, or was, according to some Slovak ravers that I know!

Good question. He made some games that are held in high regard from the 90's

So did Peter Molyneux, loads of really great titles. Populous, Theme Park, Syndicate, Magic Carpet, Dungeon Keeper

The difference maybe, Roberts left Freelancer and just went to make movies.

Molyneux continued to try while the world of making ambitious games became infinitely more complicated.

People trust Roberts because he's so deeply ingrained into their growing up. It's pure nostalgia.

People trusted Molyneux to make a fairly simple Populus type game (Godus), even though his track record was getting a bit shaky they still trusted him - maybe based on their belief that it'd be like the Amiga days.

Maybe David Braben could have made the same mistake, but his nostagia fan-base was mostly in the UK and we're a cynical bunch of so and so's. We all got a bit fed up of hearing he was going to make Elite 4 every few years anyway.

Good post. The differences and similarities between the 3 are very telling.

Molyneux stayed in the gaming game, repeatedly over-promised and the whole thing eventually fell down around his ears. I am absolutely getting the same vibe from Roberts.

"Star Citizen does not disappoint you"

In Soviet Russia Star Citizen is disappointed by You!

 

[Voivod]

In Soviet Russia Star Citizen is disappointed by You!

The lack of ships in your hangar is a disgrace to the Motherland!

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Maybe David Braben could have made the same mistake, but his nostagia fan-base was mostly in the UK and we're a cynical bunch of so and so's. We all got a bit fed up of hearing he was going to make Elite 4 every few years anyway.

Well, it was more a case of the fans who kept asking "When will you make Elite 4?" rather than Braben saying he would.

When he finally announced it, i almost didn't believe it. Then i thought, nah, he can't pull it off, too much time has passed. Besides, there is that Star Citizen thingy starting, too late to the party. But then, ED went into beta, and i signed up because i saw it wouldn't be long before there was a playable game, while SC was still nowhere near completion.

Braben has pulled it off, CR still has to deliver a product.

 

[kwik]

In Soviet Russia Star Citizen is disappointed by You!

Actually, I think if you don't back Star Citizen, it is disappointed by you. If you do back it and have valid concerns, Star Citizen is still disappointed by you.

 

[MarktJones]

That was September 24th 2016, about two weeks before citizencon. And that was not the message received and re-broadcast by the followers, because before they were saying that SQ42 would be shown there. As dsmart said on his youtube thing, SQ42 was an "on again, off again" thing.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/syst...ngle-player-sq42-missions-will-be-s-33362114/



And a user named Cloud_Imperium chimes in with a very measured and cautious...



And here's a quote from Chris Roberts a few weeks earlier:



So yes, two weeks before Citizencon CR was starting to dial down the expectations for a SQ42 demo at Citcon. But before then, it was definitely going to show SQ42.


Also, if you're thinking that this demo is in any way shape or form representative:

This is a great post, demonstrating the complete failure to deliver that demo. The revisionism about citizencon is amazing, I reckon Armando iannucci might write a new sitcom about the star citizen spin machine.

It also reminds me of animal farm, I'm sure the commandments were different before citizencon...what animal are you?

 

[Backer42]

If CIG are opening a studio in Brno then that's very interesting. A lot of multinationals use Czech Republic, Slovakia, etc for engineering (physical and IT) as wages are a lot lower, a lot of younger folks especially speak English or German, and communications/transport with western Europe are very good. The company that I work for had a Bratislava studio for European web work at one point. Not sure if we still do.

Someone has to make a low-budget MVP now, after $60m have been wasted on "Hollywood".

If anybody has still money in this: get a refund!

 

[Ian Skippy]

Wow the amount of hate on this forum is really a bad image on the name of frontier. Since when is it alright to call someone's genuine dad a fake spineless sellout? I mean come on guys at the end of the day you might not like the game but being this hateful really pushes it.

Sorry but this kind of attitude makes the world a worse place not a better one. Sad to see that Frontier forums became a hideout for this.

I think you, like most people pushing SC, don't know what 'hate' means.

 

[Asylum]

Back in the old days we had to use our imaginations for the visuals. With SC we have to use our imagination for the gameplay.

Never thought of it like that before! Nicely spun!

 

[kwik]

some are not happy.. this was great though, taken from the thread.

It hasn't been 5 years. The studios have only been up to near capacity for the last 12 to 18 months.

Clearly we have the wrong sense of time, and the work on the game before then didn't exist, along with kickstarter and pre-kickstarter.

 

[Soliluna]

Wow the amount of hate on this forum is really a bad image on the name of frontier. Since when is it alright to call someone's genuine dad a fake spineless sellout? I mean come on guys at the end of the day you might not like the game but being this hateful really pushes it.

Sorry but this kind of attitude makes the world a worse place not a better one. Sad to see that Frontier forums became a hideout for this.

Just so you know, everyone that you call a fake and spineless sell out is someone's son, or daughter and possibly their father, grandfather, cousin, uncle or wife. You're really making it out to be something it's not because you have respect for the man. Please don't waste forum space with these "You're all so mean!" posts, they just come across as an agenda to paint anyone with valid critique as a vilifying monster.

So, basically, it's always been alright to call someone's "genuine" dad a fake and spineless sellout. Kinda like Palmer Luckey, the fake and spineless sellout of VR. He's someone's son you know?

 

[Toumal]

Well, it was more a case of the fans who kept asking "When will you make Elite 4?" rather than Braben saying he would.

When he finally announced it, i almost didn't believe it. Then i thought, nah, he can't pull it off, too much time has passed. Besides, there is that Star Citizen thingy starting, too late to the party. But then, ED went into beta, and i signed up because i saw it wouldn't be long before there was a playable game, while SC was still nowhere near completion.

Braben has pulled it off, CR still has to deliver a product.

I was pretty sure that Elite 4 was going to be a flop when the Kickstarter opened. They had nothing to show for it other than some flat shaded prototype in the background (check the first KS video!) and Mr. Braben talking.

Star Citizen already had a carrier and several ships, in game, with FPS walking around. CR's push for "cinematic experiences" and him playing in third person was what made me hold off of SC initially. Then the ED alpha happened and when I saw those first youtube videos of actual gameplay by lots of people, I knew I had to have that. The first Elite Alpha was incredibly focused and polished.

BTW another game that has a similarly polished alpha/teaser is Overload. These guys also know what they're doing. And they're promising a true successor to Descent - nothing more, nothing less.