So you want to know about the Formidine Rift? (Part 3)

MAUXUS · Oct 20, 2016

Correct me if I am wrong, so much reading lately but I think the "direction" was "broadly correct"...but that doesn't give us the actual position. Rift could be anywhere along that "direction" (RR Line)? Also what's confusing:

Edited: double-checked and Drew confirms that the "location" is broadly correct (area), not just the direction.

Don't tell no one, but I got as far as the Formidine Rift (So she didn't cross it?)...No one has gone past it and lived to tell the tale / Once you reach the rift you're going to have to plot a way across. (conflicting info? You went as far as the rift but you want me to cross it instead?)

And if one wanted to give real directions to wherever in our galaxy, how does a 2D reference help? RR Line, Keep going...ok...so it will be on the same plane as the RR Line? But how would one in real life know when to stop along the RR line anyway? Is the message incomplete and perhaps we are missing something after "Right on, Commander"? Doesn't sound like it though...it was pretty much conclusive. Puzzled...

And assuming that we follow the RR line, we cross the rift, where do we stop then? Why would we stop? Something we see? They said it's not a POI...

[Diplomacy] Carnegie · Oct 20, 2016

MAUXUS said:
Correct me if I am wrong, so much reading lately but I think the "direction" was "broadly correct"...but that doesn't give us the actual position. Rift could be anywhere along that "direction" (RR Line)? Also what's confusing:

Don't tell no one, but I got as far as the Formidine Rift (So she didn't cross it?)...No one has gone past it and lived to tell the tale / Once you reach the rift you're going to have to plot a way across. (conflicting info? You went as far as the rift but you want me to cross it instead?)

And if one wanted to give real directions to wherever in our galaxy, how does a 2D reference help? RR Line, Keep going...ok...so it will be on the same plane as the RR Line? But how would one in real life know when to stop along the RR line anyway? Is the message incomplete and perhaps we are missing something after "Right on, Commander"? Doesn't sound like it though...it was pretty much conclusive. Puzzled...

And assuming that we follow the RR line, we cross the rift, where do we stop then? Why would we stop? Something we see? They said it's not a POI...

And there you have it - we're not sure where we're supposed to be looking and even if we were, we have no idea what we're looking for.

That's maybe why we haven't found it yet

dynamicbob · Oct 20, 2016

DrewCarnegie said:
And there you have it - we're not sure where we're supposed to be looking and even if we were, we have no idea what we're looking for.

That's maybe why we haven't found it yet

think ill head for the same region of space as the rift but over the opposite side of the galaxy the far galactic outer arm i think its called, maybe theres some clues out there as well

MAUXUS · Oct 20, 2016

DrewCarnegie said:
And there you have it - we're not sure where we're supposed to be looking and even if we were, we have no idea what we're looking for.

That's maybe why we haven't found it yet

lol, ok...i'm up to speed then

[Diplomacy] Carnegie · Oct 20, 2016

dynamicbob said:
think ill head for the same region of space as the rift but over the opposite side of the galaxy the far galactic outer arm i think its called, maybe theres some clues out there as well

Let us know if you find any mythology.

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MAUXUS said:
lol, ok...i'm up to speed then

Welcome to the Rifters - Where Ignorance is Bliss

dynamicbob · Oct 20, 2016

DrewCarnegie said:
Let us know if you find any mythology.

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Welcome to the Rifters - Where Ignorance is Bliss

ill let it be known ive heavily explored the rift with hundreds of systems from the heart and soul nebula and on the other side of the rift, so ive covered that area in the past, ive done a line between H and S to each of the CoR base camps and also from jaques along a direct line back to the rift area. Plus jaques to sag A, and Sag A back to sol. So lets put it this way im well travelled and may well revisit all these areas with 2.2 ( which is adding content all over the universe) plus a lot of mysterious content given vague titles in the beta 2.2 patchnotes, and that could be col sector 70 locked as well as deep space stuff that might not appear until the 2.2 live. So a search there as well as other areas for easter eggs and emergent gameplay over the course of 2.2 to 2.3.

It could be the far side has nothing but generic deep space content ie planets with rocks and gysers and nothing much more. Are there missing colonies yet to be found or is that a post 2.3-2.4 content its not sure. But interesting times ahead ill report anything found

CMDR Poet Starwind · Oct 20, 2016

So, I'll play the speculation game...
RR line is directional, not the laser focus

H&S have something to do with direction

The vain queen clues are also directional

The Rift is to be crossed

EAFOTS lies between the RR line and H&S, but isn't necessarily the sector to find "it" in

Speculation: cross Rift, travel along New Arm with RR as West (left, whatever, default orientation of Gal Map) border, H&S as East border, end up around where EAFOTS area would be in the New Arm if it extended that far, ..., PROFIT!

At least now I feel like I have been searching the wrong area following the RR line across the Rift. But it was all... for science!

By the way, did anyone happen to notice where the nose of the Cetus Bane Cobra points? If it just sits there, might it be a nav arrow pointing the way into the darkness?

MAUXUS · Oct 20, 2016

MassBStruction said:
So, I'll play the speculation game...
RR line is directional, not the laser focus

H&S have something to do with direction

The vain queen clues are also directional

The Rift is to be crossed

EAFOTS lies between the RR line and H&S, but isn't necessarily the sector to find "it" in

Speculation: cross Rift, travel along New Arm with RR as West (left, whatever, default orientation of Gal Map) border, H&S as East border, end up around where EAFOTS area would be in the New Arm if it extended that far, ..., PROFIT!

At least now I feel like I have been searching the wrong area following the RR line across the Rift. But it was all... for science!

By the way, did anyone happen to notice where the nose of the Cetus Bane Cobra points? If it just sits there, might it be a nav arrow pointing the way into the darkness?

But...EAFOTS and the H&S Nebulae are behind you when you begin crossing the rift...EAFOTS ends where MYOIDEAU starts, which is the first way-point on the Heisenberg passage across the rift (just one way to cross). I might not visualizing your speculation correctly though.

MAUXUS · Oct 20, 2016

We know that we don't need external tools to crack this. But is it possible to actually sit in Earth's orbit and see the "The vain queen rides a giraffe that remembers her daughter's hero", the Cassiopeia, Camelopardalis, Andromeda and Perseus constellations? Or if we pull up the Gal Map and center it on Earth, look in their general directions, will we be able to see those constellations?
Since constellations can only be observed from Earth, if we cannot do that in game, they must be for something else then...

dynamicbob · Oct 20, 2016

If we arent being led down a garden path, we just need to keep narrowing down the haystack

Vildivin · Oct 20, 2016

Are we still "viewing the tapestry from behind"?

Legacy_LuckyLuke · Oct 20, 2016

Vildivin said:
Are we still "viewing the tapestry from behind"?

All I took from that was that we right now have a bunch of threads but we don't have the full picture to see how they all fit together.

Reading above I just got a thought- remembering that constellations can be turned on in the galaxy map. Are they only viewable from Sol?

What happens to them if you move to another part of the galaxy map?

CMDR Poet Starwind · Oct 20, 2016

MAUXUS said:
But...EAFOTS and the H&S Nebulae are behind you when you begin crossing the rift...EAFOTS ends where MYOIDEAU starts, which is the first way-point on the Heisenberg passage across the rift (just one way to cross). I might not visualizing your speculation correctly though.

Sorry, yes, that wasn't communicated very well. Cross the Rift and search in the area swept out by EAFOTS sector, even though EAFOTS sector will be coreward from you. Check your six (coreward toward EAFOTS), to make sure you're in the right area.

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LuckyLuke said:
All I took from that was that we right now have a bunch of threads but we don't have the full picture to see how they all fit together.

Reading above I just got a thought- remembering that constellations can be turned on in the galaxy map. Are they only viewable from Sol?

What happens to them if you move to another part of the galaxy map?

They distort the further you translate away, and then disappear at some distance. I haven't been able to see Cass or Camel, myself.

Legacy_LuckyLuke · Oct 20, 2016

MassBStruction said:
They distort the further you translate away, and then disappear at some distance. I haven't been able to see Cass or Camel, myself.

Curses ... Thursday maintenance is preventing me from jumping into the game again to have a look!

CaptainKremmen · Oct 20, 2016

Hi folks.

MassBStruction said:
Sorry, yes, that wasn't communicated very well. Cross the Rift and search in the area swept out by EAFOTS sector, even though EAFOTS sector will be coreward from you. Check your six (coreward toward EAFOTS), to make sure you're in the right area.

That's exactly where I am. Just crossed the Rift (for the very first time), and now into the Hypo Aeb area... and coming face to face with the wonderful realisation expressed just now by DrewCarnegie...

DrewCarnegie said:
And there you have it - we're not sure where we're supposed to be looking and even if we were, we have no idea what we're looking for.

That's maybe why we haven't found it yet

lol

Legacy_LuckyLuke · Oct 20, 2016

I've been updating the timeline OP and the clues OP a little with the latest nuggets of info regarding the signals from the old woman's Cobra and recent events with Kahina being moved around Cemiess, Achenar and Prism. More active members here, please have a read through and PM me if I've missed anything. I read there was some speculation that the 'vain queen riding a giraffe' phrase was linked to Chi Persei? I assume because of proximity to EAFOTS and the link to the name 'Perseus'. How firm is this belief?

Also, whilst adding a reference to the latest GalNet post (Oct 14th), it just struck me that it uses the term 'stripped' in its title. It's not the first time that expression has been used in this story.

In Ishtar's descent to the underworld, she was stripped of an item of clothing each time she went through one of the gates ... I don't recollect a name or title being one of the items, although when she removed her crown, it was meant to represent her relinquishing her godhood.

I think Kahina already did that when she left her Imperial Tiara in her 'stripped' Clipper 'The Seven Veils', so I presume she won't be too worried about anything 'official' ...

Cpt.Bilsn · Oct 20, 2016

lorrad said:
There's good reason for a show trail, Kahina has dishonored the Empire and everyone it in. Executing her would an honor killing. Just like honor killing the importance of what she did by turning her back on the Empire and what that means is as incomprehensible as setting your sister on fire because she talked to the boy next door over the garden wall if you don't live in that society. She'd be less popular than Jane Fonda playing on the Viet Cong anit-aircraft guns. These people are more tight- than gossiping grannies in a Bronte novel. I can't even think of something equivalently offensive in Western society, maybe Kim Kardasian becoming an ISIS recruiter, because like her Kahina is a bit of a celebrity in the Federation and Alliance too.

Ok, yes I'm aware of Empire's honour tradition and from this, cultural or social, point of view the need for formal public trial is understandable (I won't go as far as to say it's the Empire specific thing though, imagine this thing happening only with Federation official involved, it would look exactly the same).

My point is, if you are trying really really hard to cover something up and to discredit, yes, put mainly silence the only person that knows about that something, you don't (or at least shouldn't) care about public closure with social pariah and you certainly don't give him opportunity to publicly speak. You just get rid of him, manage for him to disappear, preferably with no leads to you. That's what, at least for me, doesn't add up about this.

Of course, there is a distinct possibility that the one behind this is so arrogant and egomaniacal that he can't think straight, but that would not produce that good of a conspiracy theory

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Zeeman · Oct 20, 2016

Jaiotu said:
The reality is: we just don't know where the Rift actually begins. The first time I tried to reach 4th H&S nebulae I was thwarted. My jump range was too low. The frMe shift drive is still very new technology so 'The Old Lady' could have been talking about the crossing just before reaching H&S and EAFOTS

This is exactly where I think she is talking of. Don't forget the jump range of most Gamma CMDR's...

H&S is nearly just a day trip this days, with the right Asp or Anaconda...

Z...

Astirian · Oct 20, 2016

This stuff has burrowed itself into my sub-conscious... Last night I had a dream I encountered a shape-shifting ship in deep space. It was mutating quickly into all sorts of polyhedral shapes and before long, a bunch of tentacles erupted from it, exploding glass everywhere as four of them crashed through my canopy and grabbed me. Darkness.

I woke up in a hospital bed, on a Russian military boat in some ocean somewhere, while scientists buzzed around ignoring me.

BEST.
SCI-FI DREAM.
EVER.

Hat off to you Drew!

P.S: Has anyone considered Schedar? Alpha Cass? I found some forum ramblings from earlier but I don't know if anyone went out to look, it's not far from the Michael Buble, might head out there quite soon.

The reason I ask is I was hunting for Tabby's Star, found Sadr, then Schedar, then ended up here: http://earthsky.org/brightest-stars/schedar-short-life-of-burning-bright
"To the lady" indeed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Sinaitic_script
If you line it up with Gilgamesh it forms a line to the H&S but that's probably pretty random. Be cool if it intersected RR though.

I'll be back later with some insane mythological stuff around storms, fertility and the underworld. And a tasty nugget around 14 and 41... Just need to put it all together.

Han_Zen · Oct 20, 2016

Astirian said:
This stuff has burrowed itself into my sub-conscious... Last night I had a dream I encountered a shape-shifting ship in deep space. It was mutating quickly into all sorts of polyhedral shapes and before long, a bunch of tentacles erupted from it, exploding glass everywhere as four of them crashed through my canopy and grabbed me. Darkness.

I woke up in a hospital bed, on a Russian military boat in some ocean somewhere, while scientists buzzed around ignoring me.

BEST.
SCI-FI DREAM.
EVER.

Hat off to you Drew!

P.S: Has anyone considered Schedar? Alpha Cass? I found some forum ramblings from earlier but I don't know if anyone went out to look, it's not far from the Michael Buble, might head out there quite soon.

The reason I ask is I was hunting for Tabby's Star, found Sadr, then Schedar, then ended up here: http://earthsky.org/brightest-stars/schedar-short-life-of-burning-bright
"To the lady" indeed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Sinaitic_script
If you line it up with Gilgamesh it forms a line to the H&S but that's probably pretty random. Be cool if it intersected RR though.

I'll be back later with some insane mythological stuff around storms, fertility and the underworld. And a tasty nugget around 14 and 41... Just need to put it all together.

Freud would have a field day with you.