2.2 is rather a disappointment

[Redan]

I know it's not a popular/political thing to say, but this community needs some serious purging.

The fact that some people will deem an entire patch (one of the best ones ever, in fact) to be a "disappointment" because of the Ceos/Sothis run nerfs is beyond by ability to comprehend. Do you guys just wake up in the morning, wash your faces, brush your teeth and look into the mirror thinking "Yeah...today I'm going to be a totally obnoxious a-hole!" or something?

This patch is ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT. The balance changes, the community interaction during the beta period, the new features, the smoothness of the launch....I can't believe how some people can be so conceded.

This is partially why I absolutely love the Engineers and everything about them. It forces people to shift their goals beyond just the accumulation of credits. They need to invest time to get at the top levels this game has to offer. If people don't want to get on board with that, then good riddance.

My only hope is this kind of garbage doesn't get under Frontier's skin or influence their decisions in the future.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

The mode-swapping nerf, I think, was enough.

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I didnt know this was fixed..... yay now this is good news imo tho i suspect many disagree

I believe there is room in the game for well-paying missions that take up your time such as legal haulage and particularly smuggling missions should be well paid because of the risks involved (and those should be made more challenging

I totally agree... If only there were rare commodities in the game, which were highly limited in supply and therefore well sort after that you could build some really well paying - but catnip to pirates - missions around.......

The good news is, there are AND Sothis even has one of them.

Taking 10 tones (or what ever the max allowance of Sothis gold is) from say Sothis to <insert any distant base here> for 10 million credits would be a perfect use of the rares commodities.

well paid, not stackable AND unlike manure, makes sense to be high paid.

further more these missions could be randomly all over the place because there are lots of systems with their own unique items. just dont make them all go to 1 predictable place

 

[Moonax IRL]

I know it's not a popular/political thing to say, but this community needs some serious purging.

The fact that some people will deem an entire patch (one of the best ones ever, in fact) to be a "disappointment" because of the Ceos/Sothis run nerfs is beyond by ability to comprehend. Do you guys just wake up in the morning, wash your faces, brush your teeth and look into the mirror thinking "Yeah...today I'm going to be a totally obnoxious a-hole!" or something?

This patch is ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT. The balance changes, the community interaction during the beta period, the new features, the smoothness of the launch....I can't believe how some people can be so conceded.

This is partially why I absolutely love the Engineers and everything about them. It forces people to shift their goals beyond just the accumulation of credits. They need to invest time to get at the top levels this game has to offer. If people don't want to get on board with that, then good riddance.

My only hope is this kind of garbage doesn't get under Frontier's skin or influence their decisions in the future.

Agree 100%, a lot of these whiners behave like they are still in nappies and will never be satisfied with their need for quick loot and instant gratification. I`d imagine they are part of the same cohort that wanted instant ship transfer as well. Best ignored.

 

[Redan]

Agree 100%, a lot of these whiners behave like they are still in nappies and will never be satisfied with their need for quick loot and instant gratification. I`d imagine they are part of the same cohort that wanted instant ship transfer as well. Best ignored.

Man, I just don't get it...

I really don't. The more I think about this thread, the angrier I become. It's like watching some stupid bully pushing around a really nice kid in school who hasn't done anything wrong or something like that. I feel obligated to beat the crap out of the bully, or at least tell them to      off.

I just don't understand how you can take what has clearly been a massive step in the right direction, something that I'm sure hundreds of people have poured their heart and soul into creating, something that has cost people countless hours of sleep over the last months and just toss that into the "meh" ocean. It's such a selfish, toxic attitude.

Even if I agreed that Frontier over-nerfed the Ceos/Sothis missions (which I do not, by the way. I think this nerf was needed and has been a long time coming - not to mention that we knew it was going to happen and we had ample heads up time) why would you make a cesspool thread title like

"2.2 is rather a disappointment"?

Why can't you be a normal human being, who is considerate of the hard work and efforts of others and just say something like

"Hey guys! Well done, these features are great, but could we please get a developer to comment on the CEOS/SOTHIS nerfs? I feel they might have been a bit too harsh...Thanks!"

Come on...

 

[Sathayorn]

Why does everyone get angry when Frontier fixes obvious exploits? Did they "over-nerf" it? Maybe*, but I'm finding I'm making some pretty decent creds just flying around in my "cheap" Keelback doing the new passenger transport missions. Even have it all kitted out for combat, planetary landings and left completely unmolested by the engineers, submitting to interdiction to kill the pirates after my cargo using the awesome new fighter, even though I think I have the worst of the three. This update is my favorite since Wings.

You don't need a 500 million credit ship to have fun in this game, but that's not going to stop me from getting a 1.5 billion credit ship legitimately.

*It is unfortunate that they reduced the payout by so much, rather than limiting the number of missions originating from a single station, as an example. But I don't think a very large percentage of people were doing these missions as they were supposed to be done. I hope that, in the future, they fix the "over-nerfed" missions to be viable again, without being ridiculously lucrative. Removal of exploits is a tricky process.

As a side note, I don't care about these "totally legitimate, intentionally included forms of making ridiculous sums off credits with minimal work, effort and skill". Someone else in a big, expensive ship doesn't make me have any less fun. This is, or at least, before I came back, was a skill based game (Which 2.1 hilariously threw out the air-lock) and bigger doesn't always mean better.

 

[Spookyy]

Agree 100%, a lot of these whiners behave like they are still in nappies and will never be satisfied with their need for quick loot and instant gratification. I`d imagine they are part of the same cohort that wanted instant ship transfer as well. Best ignored.

FD wanted to do instant ship tranfers so...

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

FD wanted to do instant ship tranfers so...

FD wanted to do timed transfers, tried to cut a few corners and make instant.....

Got called out on it and then chose to release ship transfers as they initially detailed it.

If you only started following from gamescom you are joining in the middle of the story.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/6753-Elite-Dangerous-Multiple-Ship-Ownership


Players can only swap their current ship whilst in a registered storage location

If the desired ship isn’t present then the player must arrange a transfer which costs a fee and takes time based on the distance the transferred ship needs to travel to get to the current storage location
The same restrictions and pricing as above are applied here too

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

FD wanted to do instant ship tranfers so...

Sandro wanted to do timed transfers, he even openly admitted it post Gamescom. He said that internal discussion was moving towards either do it properly, timed but later or do instant and for 2.2. They don't have millions to burn from digital jpegs of ships. They want finances to be planned so they don't run into unwanted expenses.

However, players offered very convincing arguments for Michael and others why instant is just not good and will create more problems than solve. That thread has to be most non-whiney thread from 'whining' threads about some feature. People seriously weighted pros and cos in very civil matter. That's why they won over devs. Whining about how you can't get your Anaconda because Sothis got nerfed just won't get you anywhere with devs.

 

[Spookyy]

Sothis? Never been there.

 

[Craith]

All Sothis (and Robigo before) did was spoil the players. Every activity got compared to the $$ of these. only 10M per hour? Who in their right mind would do this?

When I started playing, I wanted to get myself an Anaconda one day. I estimated that it'd take me about a year to get it. My first million took me weeks - yes, I didn't know about rares, 50 lys was scary, and the Eagle was the best ship in the universe. Times changed, now I can easily make a few millions per hour, Jaques is pretty far away but doable, and the Eagle is the best ship in the universe. I still don't own an Anaconda, although that might change soon (and I do have a Corvette, without grinding rep and without grinding money). I am no multi-billionaire, but I have enough money that I don't mind helping others out and drop a few loads of expensive stuff for them to sell. If I blow up, I feel it. I don't want to blow up. Now even more than before, since it would mean to lose the pilot that grew on me.

Never been to Sothis, that someone would pay so much to haul biowaste just doesn't make sense in any universe. At least in robigo it was slaves, there I can imagine someone paying a lot for them, and you had to take a small or medium ship. As suggested, if it were rares you had to transport in the missions, that would make sense, but since you couldn't stack these missions there would be also people that would not be satisfied.

Getting the ships is part of the game, at least for me, and I want to have a feeling that I earned it (and I did ... I worked for that money that bought me the game, in which I have a lot of fun). Those who played certain games in the past with IDDQD and IDKFA might have seen "everything" the game offered. But they never experienced it IMO

*dons flame resistant flight suite and gets back to his cockpit*

 

[verminstar]

Not getting this sothis aspect at all...never been there, don't even know where it is. But because I got issues with the mission payouts, the fanbois put it down to sothis being nerfed. Some here appear to need some help with reading comprehension it seems...not the shiniest of pennies, not the sharpest knife in the block...

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Not getting this sothis aspect at all...never been there, don't even know where it is. But because I got issues with the mission payouts, the fanbois put it down to sothis being nerfed. Some here appear to need some help with reading comprehension it seems...not the shiniest of pennies, not the sharpest knife in the block...

i think many of us would have issues with the current delivery mission payouts...... IF the devs had not already said it was a known issue and was being investigated..... .

however knowing that they are on it, i expect it to be fixed over the next few weeks, until then there is loads of other stuff to do.

reading comprehension is a 2 way street

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ery-Missions?p=4685916&viewfull=1#post4685916

 

[verminstar]

i think many of us would have issues with the current delivery mission payouts...... IF the devs had not already said it was a bug and was being investigated.

however knowing that they are on it, i expect it to be fixed over the next few weeks, until then there is loads of other stuff to do.

Loads of other stuff...like finish doom on ultra violence while they fix what wasn't broken in the first place. I got a fairly basic diamondback and no more than a couple mill at best...I honestly can't be bothered with the rather grim thought of grinding peanuts while being judged by those who made their money when things were easy. Its just no fun anymore, just more of the same and the longer I stay, the more judgemental the fanboi brigade becomes. Time to change the tempo methinks ^^

 

[Barking_Mad]

Oh so your financially well off as of the patch, good for you. Im still in a        g sindwinder.

Thank you for proving my point.

I've only got to this post, not read the rest of the thread, but he's a troll, right? Sothis in a 'sindwinder'.

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Loads of other stuff...like finish doom on ultra violence while they fix what wasn't broken in the first place. I got a fairly basic diamondback and no more than a couple mill at best...I honestly can't be bothered with the rather grim thought of grinding peanuts while being judged by those who made their money when things were easy. Its just no fun anymore, just more of the same and the longer I stay, the more judgemental the fanboi brigade becomes. Time to change the tempo methinks ^^

As long as you're playing for money you're likely to have the same experience. A bit like life itself.

 

[Howe]

There are people on this forum that must be playing a very different game to me, because having spent forty minutes of my time that I won't get back reading through this ridiculous thread, I don't recognise my game in here.

I've been playing for two years, I've got about 180m gained by farting around a massive galaxy, doing a bit of stuff here, a bit of exploring there and I've only just bought an Annie. I'm happy with this game. I'm not grinding anything, I don't feel short-changed; there are a few mission bugs at the moment so I'll go and do something else for a bit. I simply do not understand the attitudes being displayed in this thread. What on Earth is the point in rushing to get billions of credits and triple Elite and an A rated Cutter?

If you want to make a bit of cash, I made about 9 million last night carting a hold full of space tourists and VIPs about. That isn't bad, right? I got to see a few new systems and scan a few tourist buoys that gave me a bit of game lore. It was quite an enjoyable evening. The missions, as previously pointed out are bugged and Sothis was a exploit loophole they've closed.

Where has this mindset come from that there's a bunch of people sitting around on cushions made of money sneering at people with less? I don't see that anywhere in this thread. I do see a lot of people saying "it was an exploit, it was closed" and a number of people getting really angry that they can't cheat their way to riches anymore.

This thread is very confusing to me.

 

[Jack Schitt]

One of my CMDRs has 35 million credits and three ships, the most expensive of which is a FAS. My other CMDR has 150 million or so, but he's currently off exploring and unable to spend it. I did a couple of Robigo / Sothis runs back in the day to see what the fuss was about, but found them interminably dull. I've been playing since alpha.

I do not feel disadvantaged by the changes in 2.2. Other opinions are available.

 

[Pyrotiger]

Man, I just don't get it...

I really don't. The more I think about this thread, the angrier I become. It's like watching some stupid bully pushing around a really nice kid in school who hasn't done anything wrong or something like that. I feel obligated to beat the crap out of the bully, or at least tell them to off.

I just don't understand how you can take what has clearly been a massive step in the right direction, something that I'm sure hundreds of people have poured their heart and soul into creating, something that has cost people countless hours of sleep over the last months and just toss that into the "meh" ocean. It's such a selfish, toxic attitude.

Even if I agreed that Frontier over-nerfed the Ceos/Sothis missions (which I do not, by the way. I think this nerf was needed and has been a long time coming - not to mention that we knew it was going to happen and we had ample heads up time) why would you make a cesspool thread title like

"2.2 is rather a disappointment"?

Why can't you be a normal human being, who is considerate of the hard work and efforts of others and just say something like

"Hey guys! Well done, these features are great, but could we please get a developer to comment on the CEOS/SOTHIS nerfs? I feel they might have been a bit too harsh...Thanks!"

Come on...

In turn, I just don't get your post. Double standards when you apply a logic to others that you will not apply to yourself.

A lot of posts here that personally criticise, on this forum, seem to boil down to this:

"Hey OP (not just this thread) - be MORE like me. Think like me, express yourself more like me."

When you think about it, isn't that actually the bullying behaviour?

Ironically, that's what actually passes as "normal human behaviour" these days. I may agree or disagree with your points, whatever, but count me out of it.

EDIT - oh, and for the record, likening ED to a 'really nice kid in school' is patently ridiculous. Really nice kids don't float on the stock exchange, crowdfund with promises slowly fulfilled, and have a history of legal action behind them (coughFirstEncounterscough). Ask Ian Bell (not the Warwickshire run-machine) if ED is a 'really nice kid'. I am certainly not anti-Braben, but I am certainly not blinkered towards FD being perfect, as I am sure they are not, nor did they ever claimed to be. They are a company and a business - you seem to forget this. Those hours of pouring their 'heart and soul' into it? That's your opinion, that isn't a fact. It's their jobs and they get paid for it. I respect them but don't worship them. The players definitely pour their heart and soul into it - we have this in common.

2.2 is about selling more, and that has to be a fundamental. Hence why there is still so many bugs. A step in the right direction? In some ways yes, maybe not in the ways which some people care for.

I think the thread title is very appropriate. The cesspool that follows, those that caused it must take responsibility.

 

[Silent_Star]

Well, i was excited for the new update. Just logged on. But you guys already ticked me off to the point i dont even care to try out the new features. You guys took away a certain element of the game, that WASNT HURTING ANYONE!!!! You know, Ceos, Sothis, Aditi.... Oh wow, some of the guys and gals who didnt learn about them in time before griding hundreds of hours to buy an Andaconda were a little mad and upset, and you couldnt just leave it with the option of UA bombing, I mean that balanced it out pretty well because it renders a star port pretty much useless. There was honestly nothing wrong with the LRM's. You stooped pretty low Frontier. You catered to a smaller minority of people who were whining, when the other 75% of us loved it. Thanks for ruining my excitement for 2.2.

I came from xbox one, just bought Elite for PC a few days ago when i bought a T.Flight/HOTAS. I needed those LRMs to span the gap to that of my Xbox Profile. I regret buying it for PC now, because i have to put in months of playing just to get back to where i was. I work full time, i dont have the time to do all of that grinding, and i dont think the cost to benefit ratio here is sufficent.

Lets be honest here. 2.2 feels beneficial only to those who were financially well off before tte update, and from an experienced, long time player of Elite: Dangerous, the hopes of being able to enjoy this game on PC greatly diminished.

Yeah, Im going to go ahead and say it.

This is completely unfair and uncalled for.

Can someone give OP an "i WIN" button to beat the game?

 

[Pyrotiger]

There are people on this forum that must be playing a very different game to me, because having spent forty minutes of my time that I won't get back reading through this ridiculous thread, I don't recognise my game in here.

I've been playing for two years, I've got about 180m gained by farting around a massive galaxy, doing a bit of stuff here, a bit of exploring there and I've only just bought an Annie. I'm happy with this game. I'm not grinding anything, I don't feel short-changed; there are a few mission bugs at the moment so I'll go and do something else for a bit. I simply do not understand the attitudes being displayed in this thread. What on Earth is the point in rushing to get billions of credits and triple Elite and an A rated Cutter?

If you want to make a bit of cash, I made about 9 million last night carting a hold full of space tourists and VIPs about. That isn't bad, right? I got to see a few new systems and scan a few tourist buoys that gave me a bit of game lore. It was quite an enjoyable evening. The missions, as previously pointed out are bugged and Sothis was a exploit loophole they've closed.

Where has this mindset come from that there's a bunch of people sitting around on cushions made of money sneering at people with less? I don't see that anywhere in this thread. I do see a lot of people saying "it was an exploit, it was closed" and a number of people getting really angry that they can't cheat their way to riches anymore.

This thread is very confusing to me.

I think the confusion boils down to this: everyone seems to have different values in this game. We seem to play for different end goals, at different paces, in different ways. We want our ED to be our own particular experience. We bring our ideals to the game, when we would not do to this extent with most other games.

I think that the failure for people to see this - and the fact that Elite Dangerous is doing is best/worst (depending on your opinion) to cater for all of these variables - is what causes this huge lack of empathy here.

 

[verminstar]

As long as you're playing for money you're likely to have the same experience. A bit like life itself.

I was playing to get an exploration expedition going in a tricked asp...playing in the bubble bores me and this serves to keep me where I don't want to be fer longer than I'm comfortable with.

It's actually not only about the money, I was already getting bored before 2.2 dropped. In time, I'll get the db setup the best I can and just go without grinding the engineers at all...but right now, I'm too fed up to do even that.

On a sidenote, I have 110m or so on my pc account with almost 100 of that made from exploration scans...which has always been one the least profitable professions in the game. So when the trolls accuse me of simply wanting easy mode, I sorta just laugh a little at them. They couldn't be more wrong but ranting obviously makes everything better ^^